Un-ban Appeal - YoCo - 10/07/18 (Unbanned)

[YoCo]

In-game Name
MasterCriminal YoCo

Steam ID
76561198048308471

The date of your ban.
10/07/18

Member of the team that banned you.
Stavik - Forum report

Reason given for your ban.
1.7 (14.1)

The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
I was banned for apparently not handling a resolution correctly and abusing my powers as a channel admin for our gang channels.

I personally don't believe I acted out of accordance with the rules, In my opinion I was well within my rights to the kick them from the OG channels;

Firstly, Resolution is an option and is not mandatory.
Secondly, The resolution attempt failed as soon as the other party started swearing at me and from that point they were no longer welcome in the channel.

"Oi dickhead, don't start chatting shit bruv"
"You're a bunch of four virgins"
"You fucking idiot, shut your mouth"

"Next time you kick me, that will be in a report" - Threats to report
"Are you stupid"
"don't act stupid then"

I believe the reason this has been interpreted so badly on my part is because me and others in the room are seen to be laughing at the situation, now bare in mind, laughter is sort of a defense mechanism for me it is how I chose to dealt with the situation as opposed to being angry, considering prior to this in game, I was told to "Go fuck my dead sister" by  greatbritishpanda. I laughed simply because they called me to liaison after the situation in game and started of with a bad attitude and swearing at me, which I found comical as it is against the rules.

Furthermore, I would like to add that I wasn't kicking them from public channels, they were joining a gang lobby to which they were no longer invited.

If I am honest, I would consider this ban (From both teamspeak/in game) to be quite excessive, I can somewhat understand the reason for the ban. However I have never seen anyone ever banned for kicking people from a channel and speaking frankly it seems like any reason to ban me. Considering I have never even been warned for conduct on TS before, or anything to do with my channel admin.

i believe the main two reasons for my ban were the comments made by surgey which made the gang seem egotistical which is something I didn’t agree with, however I have no control over what others say.

and secondly the childish laughing, which is quite unacceptable. However I find it comical when someone joins liaison and starts it off by calling me a dickhead and telling me not to chat shit. Forgive me if I found this funny.

as for kicking them, the comments stated above in quotations and the reasons the people were kicked from the channel. All reasonable reasons considering the toxic nature of the individuals (“go fuck your dead sister” and “die irl”) and the fact resolution was over.

Why should we unban you ?
I believe I should be unbanned because I enjoy playing on the community, I have a lot of friends here and I try my best to improve the quality of gameplay for other players. This is (I believe) The first report ever against me that has been actioned against me, In my 3 years of playing here I have never seen my self as a troublesome person, Just someone that enjoys to RP.

In terms of my gameplay on the server, I would always be the person to talk first and shoot later, I have had many enjoyable RP sessions with all sorts of people on the community. I am quite often the negotiator in situations trying to broker a peace between my party and others.

As for the claim that I am a toxic individual, I have never seen myself as disruptive or toxic. And I am sure the staff team have gone through my YouTube channel, every single one of those clips has been resolved with the other party peacefully and to agreements. I have never reported anyone on the server (Except Matt.)

As stated in why I was banned, I do believe the ban was severe, and something that most (if not any) other players would have received a warning for (if that) as this is my first ever offense of this kind. I am not saying that there is no justification for me being banned, But This is something that I will learn from and move on from.

Despite me laughing during the liaison (Partly due to peer influence and partly due to it being comical that someone comes to liaison and starts swearing at the start of resolution) You can clearly hear me ask if he is ready to start the resolution and speak like adults, this is even after being sworn at and insulted, and told to fuck my dead sister, and threatened to be reported. the resolution was over, and he was no longer welcome in OG channels. I would hardly call that "No Good reason" For kicking someone.

Also, Little bit confused as to why a TS ban has carried over in game as well, as stated, the report against me was rejected and nothing was wrong in game.

P.s the comments from surgey in my opinion were stupid and not endorsed by self at all.

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[Alfred]

You can say whatever want. However, you have been banned for the poor attitude that you have shown in this liaison situation.

What I want to know is why a long-standing member of 3 years would think that that was the acceptable way to handle a situation with people who were clearly digging their own graves? Also how you will go about correcting this poor attitude that you have shown in the video that got you banned?

 

[YoCo]

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So lets break it down.

Ronnie- "Oi dickhead, don't start chatting shit bruv" ... "You're a bunch of virgins".... I laugh (Its a comical way to start liaison)

Ronnie- *joins back* "Fucking idiot, shut your mouth" I laugh again; kick him and his friend

YoCo- "Let me know if you guys are ready to calm down"

*I don't laugh past this point*

*GreatBritishPanda starts talking* (The one who told me to go fuck my dead sister in game)

"Next time you kick me for that, That will be in a report cos that's abusing" (Threats to report so I kicked him) (I don't laugh)

 

YoCo- "I'm asking are you ready to speak like an adult instead of threatening me and swearing at me"

GreatBritishPanda- "Did I say that, are you stupid?" (Kicked)

YoCo- "im not gonna sit here and let you call me stupid or whatever"

GreatBritishPanda- "Well don't act stupid then, speak like a normal person (Kicked)

Given the entire above situation, why should I sit and take abuse in my own gang channels? I entirely try to resolve the situation. You can watch the video and see how hostile both individuals are.

I apologise for how the situation ended up, but having watched the video back again, I did re-compose myself after my laughing at his outburst at the 18 second mark. I only continued to kick him from the channel, because I don't go to liaison to be sworn at, especially as I felt I had done nothing wrong in the situation that led to liaison. I feel the issue from the liaison situation stemmed from the fact that several gang members of mine were present and continued to laugh and berate the guy, I do not condone their actions in the slightest, and would like to apologise on their behalf for the way in which they conducted themselves. In future, if I noticed the liaison was spiralling out of control, like this one did, I would ask my gangmates to step out, move to a private room, or ask a staff member to come and preside over the situation, to ensure it was fair on all parties, although I don't enjoy being sworn at or insulted, I appreciate that the atmosphere provided wasn't a welcoming one

 

[Matt]

We discussed what we heard and saw throughout the report and there were wrongs from both sides, I'd say the wrongs from the other chaps were probably to a greater degree than yours but what we heard in that resolution attempt was shocking. Ronnie was absolutely out of order, very angry and breaking rules I have no doubt but his friend Mr Panda was attempting to speak with you and all he received was ridicule, he was laughed at by a cackling bunch of school children and repeatedly kicked from the room by yourself.

To me it felt like the playground bullies, ganging up on the frustrated chap, pushing him and pushing him till he snaps and does something dumb, throws a punch maybe. We have no time for bullies here, in our eyes you were just as much a part of the awful response he was met with as the rest of the guys in the channel. Why were there so many unrelated people in that channel? For the drama? To wind the guy up? You were quite clearly 'leading' the resolution so why didn't you ask those not involved to leave? 

We don't require a resolution these days but we do require members of this community to act in a mature manner using their common sense to handle situations, we want to be certain you follow this ethos before allowing you to return.

 

[YoCo]

"but his friend Mr Panda was attempting to speak with you and all he received was ridicule, he was laughed at by a cackling bunch of school children and repeatedly kicked from the room by yourself" Bearing in mind this "Mr Panda" is the same individual who told me to "fuck my dead sister" (how civil should I respond to that). I never once laughed after I engaged mr panda in conversation after he "Seemed" Civil.

As soon as his toxic friend Ronnie was removed from the conversation and after panda had threatened me with a report, you can see me try to reach an amicable resolution asking him "Are you ready to speak like an adult instead of threatening and swearing at me" To which he responded "did i say that, Don't act stupid then" (A very hostile tone, for someone who had previously swore at me OOC, to which im not gonna sit here and subject myself too)

Even after this, I tell him "im not ready to sit her and have someone call me stupid or whatever" So he replies "Don't act stupid then"

Then after this, Resolution attempts engages, which results in him interrupting me, and later saying "I'm done with your fucking dirty attitude mate"

I would like to re-iterate, I would never want to make anyone feel bullied, ever.

As for leading the resolution, I tried my best to get a positive outcome for mr panda, giving multiple opportunities to discuss the situation. however this became infeasible at which point I left. (And dragged the two other people with me)  as to escape an obviously hostile situation. 

With hindsight; those not involved should have been told to leave, that was my duty as a channel admin. And I respect that it added to a volatile situation in a negative way. 

P.s my question earlier was overlooked. Why has a TS ban been carried over into game? 

 

[James_W12345]

I have just watched the video of the resolution and quite frankly I'm pretty shocked.

Do you think this was the best way to handle the situation?

Kicking a player who has come to resolve an issue on TS from your channel over and over, while laughing at them, will only lead to them getting more frustrated.

Why did you not, at any point, contact an admin and tell us that there was an issue? This is an adult community, we expect players to act in a mature manner.

And in response to your unanswered question, why do YOU think your ban was extended to the game servers?

 

[YoCo]

Ofcourse it wasn't the best way to handle the situation, it apparently came across as bullying, like I've said before, I would never want anyone to feel this way. I understand the fact that multiple people laughing could have caused this.

However I hope you can understand from my point of view, I only laughed at "Ronnie" when he came to TS and started swearing at me, because quite frankly I found this quite comical, to join a liaison and start swearing out of RP.


As for kicking Mr Panda, He had already insulted me OOC, and then came to TS to resolve, where his friend swore at me, so he was kicked from the channel. From this point on, he was no longer welcome, and when he joined back I didn't once laugh at him. If you watch the video you will see that I myself, am trying to reach an amicable solution and trying to reason with him but yet im met with hostility.

In all fairness, I didn't contact an admin because like you say, its an adult community, I don't need to bother you guys with any slight inconvenience that arises, I know you guys have better things to be doing.

And the in game ban? quite frankly im a bit confused with this, I can only imagine it was to make sure I put an unban in to explain my actions as opposed to me just joining a different TS and playing.

 

[James_W12345]

Taken from the rules page:

To start we would like to make clear that this is a friendly community, An adult community and we expect every user to show respect to each other.

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We expect people to show respect, act like an adult, and treat people how you would expect to be treated to keep this a place that people enjoy and look forward to coming back to. If there is a disagreement then disagree in a noble and adult manner.

Do you think you followed these words given the video you posted?

 

[YoCo]

Respect is a mutual thing, And I don’t normally give respect to people who tell me to fuck my dead sister, nor to people that join liaison and call me a virgin and a fucking dickhead amongst other things. In fact, my personal opinion is that when they were kicked from liaison, they shouldn’t have joined back as they were no longer welcome.

despite this, I still attempted to engage in resolution attempts with the guy and was met with threats to report and further hostility.  If you watch the video, I only laughed at Ronnie when he first joined the channel and started swearing.

I can understand the situation was made worse by others in the channel, but I don’t see why I’m being held accountable for the actions of others. Such as their laughter and the ts messages from surgey.

Anybody that has spoken to me in liaison will be able to tell you that I treat everybody with respect, and I try to be as polite and courteous as possible. I gave these two people the opportunity to resolve, despite already being swore at in OOC.

YoCo- "Are you ready to speak like an adult, instead of threatening and swearing at me" - He replies "Did I say that? Are you stupid?"

YoCo- "I'm not gonna sit here and let you call me stupid or whatever" - He replies "Well don't act stupid then."

I personally feel this is the most excessive ban I’ve ever seen issued in my three years of playing here, banned from ts and in game for using my channel admin for our own gang channels.

I wasn’t aggressive to anybody, I wasn’t swearing, trolling or bullying anyone, I didn’t threaten anybody. I kicked two toxic individuals from a teamspeak channel, because like you say; this is an adult community. And I’m not going to sit there and be insulted and swore at by anybody. 

So in answer to your question, I believe I gave these two individuals far more respect than they gave me. And far more than they deserved to begin with.

 

[Stavik]

Now this being as "excessive" as you say it is. You acted completely wrong and as a member of this community  that have been around here quite some time we expect ALOT more from you. Oh yes they took it too far but so did you.
You know what to do, and its fairly simple, you contact staff.  

You are aware of this and this is what you will be doing in the future.
We know what you are capable off, and this is what we expect from you.

About your channel admin, you will not be able to obtaint any channel admin powers anytime soon.

(Unbanned on Teamspeak aswell)
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