Un-ban Appeal - The Cobra - 03/01/2017 (Unbanned)

[PabIo]

In-game Name
General Cobra

Steam ID
76561198108908869

The date of your ban.
02/28/2017

Member of the team that banned you.
Ponty

Reason given for your ban.
RDM

The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
I was banned for RDM. This was on a undercover cop that we knew was undercover and yes that was gained from RP. My friend was restrained and he had 1 cop on him and 3 undercover. I killed 2 of the undercover agents and one got away in a sporty. That sporty tailed me for around 15 minutes. Clearly giving information to the cops that were in my ifrit , sniping me from a heli and generally surrounding me. As i was running for my life , compelty surrounded by cops i decided to kill that undercover cop that i knew was undercover and was tailing me for 15 minutes. Shortly after killing him around 5 times since he was either getting revived or had god mode on i was banned instantly by Ponty.

I asked if i could come to the teamspeak room with both INS TomTheDoge and Ponty and he would not allow me to talk it out at all just stated the (13.1) rule and ignored me.

Why should we unban you ?
Firstly i'd like to say i think its personally unfair that Ponty used the (13.1) rule to practically ignore me and not even listen to what i had to say. I was willing to resolve the issue and talk it out so there would be better understanding between me and the admins and why i was instantly banned on the spot. Personally i dont think thats good as his not giving me a chance. Not at all especially with a straight up ban.

Secondly. My friend had 3 undercovers on him that he knew were undercover as they were assisting in his capture and demobilising his truck. I was alreayd on the hill as they decided to restrain him and i saw the undercover cops pull and aims guns at him. I was told also i was able to take shots on the cops and the undercover cops. I killed 2 of the undercover cops . The other undercover cop got away in the same blue sport that had being following me all the way. I knew he was undercover for a fact. Then after literally getting destroyed by the cops shot from all angles i decided to finally kill that blue sport driver since he was going towards the only safe position i had left. Despite killing him there he kept getting revived and im sure to my memory event tried shooting me with his handgun. He got revived around 4 times not sure if it was Ponty reviving him or him reviving himself.

Thirdly. The whole Undercover cop system is a complete grey zone everytime ive shot a undecovered cop they say its rdm even though it wouldnt off be and start throwing accusations everywhere. I know a lot of people agree that the undercover police causing way more issues then it adds to the roleplay server and very powerful people on the server too. If i was going to run up to that cop in that situation he would of baited and got me killed from police snipers. Yet i cant shoot at him despite him clearing following me. Clearly being at the situation with my friends. Ontop obviously giving tactical information to the police. Yet when i kill him its RDM ? He had a great deal of involvement in the fight. Personally i think this is extremely OP. I cannot possibly kill him without getting called or the RDM rule being put on me. He is practically a more efficient and stronger drone. I can shoot drones out of the sky but not undercover cops ? I decided to shoot him and i was banned on the spot. If that was a rebel it wouldn't be RDM because despite his non violence approach he had a great deal of involvement into the fight. If that was a rebel that wouldn't be a RDM at all. Because you could clearly tell there was apart of the fight.

The whole undercover system causes more issues , more ban throwing on the server then roleplay. If you dress like a rebel expected to be treated like one. They usually sneak around and join fights when they have the great advantage and if you kill them they call RDM. Tons and tons of people dont fully understand the rules of undercover cops and since there are no strict rules on it and what they can and cant do they can just call rulebreaking. Half to the issue i believe also is that most undercover are staff and if you argue back its just (13.1) like i got told. Thats what happend to me in this situation. 

There needs to be more strict rules on undercover police and it needs to be heavily nerfed or a rule needs to introduced that if theirs an active gunfight anyone thats armed and geared and you have suspicious to be in a fight can die. Thats the only way its fair.

Fourthly i believe that the instant ban without given any opportunity to talk it out shows a salty side to it. The cops are extremely powerful and are easily stronger then any gang on the server hands down. For me to be killing a lot of high ranking cops despite that amount i had on me then to kill a INS that i believe had AR gear on angered him. This is just my opinion and then the instant ban shows that in my opinion. As my merry men were taking on all of the police and winning. Also the fact that even after killing TomTheDoge he got revived and even tried killing me also, he turned on me and started shooting at me. Which shows that he is going out of his way to try and kill me. 

Finally. Im trying to everything i can to add to this server. This is the first server i joined and i became a LOV co leader early on. I joined the sever 1.5 years ago. I have come back to this server and continually put unban requests in until i was unbanned , doesn't this show me passion for the server ? I applied for staff which shows im willing to stick around and help other players on the server. I want to stick around and do whatever i can in my power to make the server better. I am currently trying to make a gang worthy enough to bring back gang bases back as i know what it was like to have them and the calibre of gangs is unmatched. I think a stronger gang presents and higher tier of gang in roleplay is really needed. @blaze1981 Can for sure back me up as he understands how passionate i am about bring high tier gangs back. Giving the police and the UNMC something to deal with and making a weaker element of the server the gangs and making up to par with the others. I am always contributing to the forums , suggesting ideas that ive poured my heart into. Making discussion posts and even investing my money into the server to make sure its still running.

I really want to stay on the server and the way in which i was banned and the whole situation itself was messed up. People need to know more about the undercover cop system and the inns and out. You cant expect gangs to ever come back if undercover cops are as strong as they are or a rule isnt introduced like the one i mentioned above.

Im desperately passionate about the server and i personally want to do my part in helping it successed and flourish. Please at least hear me out and what i have to say.

Thank you for taking the time to read my super long post.
 

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[Samatlewis]

Shortly after killing him around 5 times since he was either getting revived or had god mode on i was banned instantly by Ponty.

So you are claiming that a police officer was breaking rule 5.4? Additional you throw speculation that the officer was either an admin reviving themselves or a corrupt staff member was reviving said officer (13.5) Do you have any evidence to back up your claims or are these pure speculation? 

Firstly i'd like to say i think its personally unfair that Ponty used the (13.1) rule to practically ignore me and not even listen to what i had to say.

No it's not. As much as I appreciate and understand the fact that you are upset regarding your ban, if a staff member that actioned the ban decides not to talk to you that is their own decision. Staff members ban players daily and if we sit and talk/explain to every single player for 5/10 minutes we wouldn't have enough time in the day to tend to our real life needs and our RPUK needs. This is essentially what a ban appeal is for; to express your side of events and to acknowledge any wrong doings etc etc.

Also the fact that even after killing TomTheDoge he got revived and even tried killing me also, he turned on me and started shooting at me. Which shows that he is going out of his way to try and kill me. 

So you are accusing @TomTheDoge of breaking rule 5.4?

In the eyes of staff you had broken a rule Cobra, unless you have video proof that you are as innocent as you say the word of @Ponty bears more weight than yours.

Please clarify for me the points made above.

 

[TomTheDoge]

I thought I might as well throw in my perspective a little bit here. I was driving around doing some inconsequential stuff, roleplaying with some people and eyeing up what's going on in different places. I drove past... I think it was by the iron/copper trader where this took place?

I saw some plainclothes police handling a guy in restraints at a nearby building and I was told to leave the area (I was not marked police and not involved with them in any way on comms so they wanted me to leave in case I was a threat.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6TCcE_V8os&feature=youtu.be This is backed up by 1:40 in this video in which you were reported. You then begin RDMing the police as this video shows.

I turn back around and talk to the downed police for a while and at no point do I identify myself in view of anyone certainly not yourself. I drove up onto the hills to the north to see if I could spot the shooter since I had reasonable belief you had just RDMed but didn't want to remove myself from the roleplay situation for staff purposes at this time. I eventually drove about 2km west of the original shooting site and spotted and SUV which I followed for about 5 seconds before being RDMed by yourself (I was not killed by brought to low health)

At this point @Ponty joined my teamspeak room to ask me if what he just witnessed on admin cam was RDM (ie, had I been roleplayed with) My answer was no so we agreed that I would continue to follow you and see if it was a misfire etc or if you were actually RDMing for the second or third time back to back. Of course, you shot me and then I revived myself on the ground each time. Note rule 13.9 below baring in mind I had belief beyond reasonable doubt that you were taking part in a mass RDM and awaited the ban to be issued from ponty as you repeatedly killed me. I didn't wish to enter tron suit in the middle of a gunfight with police and break immersion so I allowed you to keep killing me.

(13.9) All rules apply to all staff members, apart from in extreme circumstances where an override is needed. (A member of the management team will handle a situation where you feel a staff member abused the ability to make themselves exempt).

Your claim that you "knew" that I was undercover was frankly rubbish since I arrived as you started shooting at the other lot and never identified myself. Knowing that there are "some undercover police" in an area doesn't make every civ shoot on sight because you shot the police already. Your choices to shoot during this situation were based on multiple assumptions that I was either identified as undercover police and that I was following you to spot for the police. I wasn't on comms with the police and this would be impossible for me to do!

This is from both myself and the external staff member ponty's perspective, an RDM incident. It is a reasonable choice to not have an argument with you on teamspeak when he is 1) Not obligated to do so, and 2) you gave him attitude via message on TS. I will of course be staying clear of this appeal since I was very directly involved but if you seriously believe that reviving myself when I was just RDMed by a suspected mass RDMer (you demonstrably already RDMed 3 police) is some sort of powers abuse I implore you to do as the rule suggests and contact management that you believe I have misused powers. I find myself of the belief that you won't get very far.

@Samatlewis I hope that covers it?

 

[PabIo]

So you are claiming that a police officer was breaking rule 5.4? Additional you throw speculation that the officer was either an admin reviving themselves or a corrupt staff member was reviving said officer (13.5) Do you have any evidence to back up your claims or are these pure speculation?

So you are accusing @TomTheDoge of breaking rule 5.4?

I am 100% accusing either tomthedodge or ponty for reviving either themselve or tomthedodge. After the second time I shot tomthedoge and executed him after being revived. He turned round with this pistol and decided to start shooting at me and again I shot him dead. I don't have any proof as my recording software wasn't working. But I'm not going to lie in an attempt to get someone banned.

No it's not. As much as I appreciate and understand the fact that you are upset regarding your ban, if a staff member that actioned the ban decides not to talk to you that is their own decision. Staff members ban players daily and if we sit and talk/explain to every single player for 5/10 minutes we wouldn't have enough time in the day to tend to our real life needs and our RPUK needs. This is essentially what a ban appeal is for; to express your side of events and to acknowledge any wrong doings etc etc.

The reason I was fustrated is because I'd like to think I'm not a random hobo in Kavala rook banging someone. All I wanted was to speak to the admin over ts and be given the opportunity. Ontop an admin wrongfully banned one of my mates this week on the spot then later had to unban him a and the ban was wrong. I just think being given no oppurtunity to talk is just rubbish especially in that situation. Obviously I understand that this is what a ban appeal is for but 5 minutes typing over ts makes the world of difference.

In the eyes of staff you had broken a rule Cobra, unless you have video proof that you are as innocent as you say the word of @Ponty bears more weight than yours.

Please clarify for me the points made above.

Granted I have no proof but in the incident of the apparent double "RDM" case , a video was provided  from the DI's that shows my SUV on the hill. I watch the undercover come out of a marked police car completely blowing their cover. Pulling guns on my friend and helping in the restrain of my friend. Over ts I was told there was 3 undercover and 1 marked. They had intitiate and finally shoot all of the cops. I was told of ts I was initiated and also I saw them threaded my gang member by pulling guns on him. From my view I have every right to shoot and gun them down. There for the "RDM " claim is invalid. You can't expect to Be undercover if you jump out of a police car and start pointing guns at my friend. Please use common sense.

I turn back around and talk to the downed police for a while and at no point do I identify myself in view of anyone certainly not yourself. I drove up onto the hills to the north to see if I could spot the shooter since I had reasonable belief you had just RDMed but didn't want to remove myself from the roleplay situation for staff purposes at this time. I eventually drove about 2km west of the original shooting site and spotted and SUV which I followed for about 5 seconds before being RDMed by yourself (I was not killed by brought to low health)

 @Ponty 

@Samatlewis

Well this is a bit of a lie. You followed me for around 20 mins at least. Saying you drove 2km west and then found me makes the time line of events sound dodgy considering your implying it was about 5 mins after the first shootings. It was around 15 mins after before the second shooting. While I was being shot at by the police humming and fighting of an ifrit you walked across the street after decamping looking straight at me. I even shot at you before I finally killed you. So you knew you were in a hostile environment and I was out to kill you. You had followed me all around the area and kept driving past me and my friend when the heli and ifrit had gone. Clearly chasing us. Kez in ascension can back me up as he was with me.

I knew you were undercover since you had followed me this frigging long and were at the shooting were the other undercover cops were. 

At this point @Ponty joined my teamspeak room to ask me if what he just witnessed on admin cam was RDM (ie, had I been roleplayed with) My answer was no so we agreed that I would continue to follow you and see if it was a misfire etc or if you were actually RDMing for the second or third time back to back. Of course, you shot me and then I revived myself on the ground each time. Note rule 13.9 below baring in mind I had belief beyond reasonable doubt that you were taking part in a mass RDM and awaited the ban to be issued from ponty as you repeatedly killed me. I didn't wish to enter tron suit in the middle of a gunfight with police and break immersion so I allowed you to keep killing me.

@Samatlewis 

Well firstly you told me that ponty joined the fight in admin cam after I shot you the first time. I'm sure I have this in screenshots on my computer ( on my phone now ). So I don't know if this is to add to your cover story of that you weren't following me , stalking me for at least 15 mins or what ?

Secondly why if you've belive its RDM can you just revive yourself ? Can I do the same on the spot ? Then you've try and kill me after you revive that's a comeplete exploitation of your admin powers ? Admins on the sever have used there powers in gun fights before and banned for it. So why admins taking part in game roleplay that still have their admin powers Is ridicoulos. Admins should only have powers if there not in roleplay and are only on the sever to be an admin. Otherwise previous abusive of their powers can be used. Like a certain admin used too.

So you belived  I was taking part im a mass RDM ? Well why would a member of tha community for 1.5 years who's in a solid gang decided to mass RDM ? The first two deaths of undercover cops was not RDM at all. I watched them Threaten his life and was told they had intiated. You knew you were in a active gunfight for a long ass time. It was clear to me you were undercover and I knew undercover cops I had initiated on.

Thirdly the only reason I killed you multiply times was because in my opinion you abused your powers and revived yourself. If you didn't want to die multiply times then don't revive yourself ? It seems the only reason you revived yourself was to try and kill me and when I gave you long enough to get up you shoot at me.

Im on my phone so it takes to long to quote but the thing about the external staff member thinking it was RDM. Another staff member thought my friend RDM'd but then later found it he was wrong after talking it out.

Also saying that I was giving attitude is rubbish. When I get on my computer in the next few days il show te screenshots of the conversation.

Your only undercover if you keep you undercoverness. If it's obviously as hell you ain't then your just another cop especially when you have threatened my friend. The whole system is flawed in a lot of places a few simple rules introduced would solve it all. Everyone thinks the same I ain't the only one. Especially when the original idea was apparently suggested , denied then made by the same guy that suggested it which was in the police when he could .

This will be the last I post tonight and half of tomorrow at my girlfriends and I'm not planning to type out another essay when Im ment to be spending time with her.

 

[Drew]

Okay, I will be taking a look at this and investigating

Firstly,

The first two deaths of undercover cops was not RDM at all. I watched them Threaten his life and was told they had intiated. You knew you were in a active gunfight for a long ass time. It was clear to me you were undercover and I knew undercover cops I had initiated on.

Regarding this, he was told to step out vehicle and place hands up and moved to the side of the road to be spoken too, now unless the guy was being shot by the police you do not have the right to shoot unless you issue a threat or a warning for the police to comply with. However, with this in mind if the police had started shooting at him you would have been in every right to kill them, but your guy nor yourself issues any quality roleplay threat / warning to comply with hence RDM.

since he was either getting revived or had god mode on i was banned instantly by Ponty.

Staff member do not have the abilaity to switch God Mode On/Off, this only occurs when they are in the actual suit. 

I am going to be getting more information regarding what actually happened to what has been said here, the tools provided to the staff team can be used in circumstances which they will need to go deal with a situation, i.e reviving self to deal with an issue regarding a rule break, The people in the Staff team know that if they are directly involved in a situation to handle it like a normal community member I'm sure @TomTheDoge was about to go speak to you rather than ban you, however a third party staff member witnessed the incident @Ponty and decided to take action.

However for now, I would like @Samatlewis to handle this appeal as normal regarding the ban for RDM, I must say I appreciate the effort you have placed in your appeal @The Cobra I'm sure this will be taken into consideration. 

 

[PabIo]

Okay, I will be taking a look at this and investigating

Firstly,

Regarding this, he was told to step out vehicle and place hands up and moved to the side of the road to be spoken too, now unless the guy was being shot by the police you do not have the right to shoot unless you issue a threat or a warning for the police to comply with. However, with this in mind if the police had started shooting at him you would have been in every right to kill them, but your guy nor yourself issues any quality roleplay threat / warning to comply with hence RDM[SIZE=inherit] [/SIZE]

@TomTheDoge@Ponty

@Samatlewis@The Cobra

Firstly we had intitated on the cops and was already in a open gun fight with them.

4 Hemitts were at drug dealer. We initiated on them to protect our trucks. 

Secondly I was told that we were fully initiated and I could shoot we were previously intiated and the cops had clearly blown their cover and I should be in my right to shoot them once I know because otherwise the system is seriously unfair. If you dress like a rebel be expected to be treated in one. They were adding to the fight assisting. 

About the staff issue , I'm not out to get anyon banned or harm come their way. I'm not a person that strives to get anyone banned as everyone should get the chance to enjoy the amazing server there is. I just think in the situation he was clearly using the admin powers in his advantage. 

If I'm honest I'm worried that I belive he is in AR and that if he can use his powers thay easyily it worries me how easily he could use the powers in a gunfight with name tags and admin map. As I say a admin before was previously banned for using those things in gunfights to his advantage. I think their should be a slot were admins can't have weapons or that such or part take in roleplay so there isn't any cross over and then inturn anyone worrying.

lastly I appreciate that you have commented on my effort on my appeal. I really want to get unbanned desperately I just think ive fallen against a system that has many loop holes and can be impossible to win against in situations. Simple things would solve this and the people using the undercover cop ability I think need to have a open mind to what the other person has done as this is the second time I have been threaten with a ban because of it ( the second being now banned ).

 

[Ponty]

Sorry, since there is now accusations of me abusing my admin powers to assist my colleagues and myself in gunfights, I will state this; I have and will never abuse my staff powers to aid myself or my friends in a gunfight. I only use my power when on staff duty or when a clear rule break occurs.

In this instance I was working on AR documents when I got the message from Wasted asking for me to come in game to spectate an RDM'er (This was after the original fight began.)

After spectating you for a while on a set of rocks on the West Coast I witnessed you shoot at TonTheDoge with no initiation, he was wearing civilian clothing in an unmarked car. I then hop into his channel to query if that was RDM and if you had initiated or not. After learning there was no initiation, we both together decided to spectate and follow to see if it was a mistake or not, after you lit up the vehicle for a second time, I issued the ban.

As a level 2, I do not have powers of reviving. I have the ability to remove weapons and gear. So the claims of me reviving TTD are false. He was reviving himself as it was to us, clear cut RDM. Hence the ban.

With regards to me stating the 13.1 rule over TS, I said this because even after I stated why I issued the ban, combined with steps for you to follow in order to be unbanned, you were still persisting for a verbal conversation, even though there was nothing else to add that couldn't be mentioned in an appeal that can be recorded and monitored. 

I will however, apologise if I came across as an arsehole during that period.

 

[PabIo]

Sorry, since there is now accusations of me abusing my admin powers to assist my colleagues and myself in gunfights, I will state this; I have and will never abuse my staff powers to aid myself or my friends in a gunfight. I only use my power when on staff duty or when a clear rule break occurs.

In this instance I was working on AR documents when I got the message from Wasted asking for me to come in game to spectate an RDM'er (This was after the original fight began.)

After spectating you for a while on a set of rocks on the West Coast I witnessed you shoot at TonTheDoge with no initiation, he was wearing civilian clothing in an unmarked car. I then hop into his channel to query if that was RDM and if you had initiated or not. After learning there was no initiation, we both together decided to spectate and follow to see if it was a mistake or not, after you lit up the vehicle for a second time, I issued the ban.

As a level 2, I do not have powers of reviving. I have the ability to remove weapons and gear. So the claims of me reviving TTD are false. He was reviving himself as it was to us, clear cut RDM. Hence the ban.

With regards to me stating the 13.1 rule over TS, I said this because even after I stated why I issued the ban, combined with steps for you to follow in order to be unbanned, you were still persisting for a verbal conversation, even though there was nothing else to add that couldn't be mentioned in an appeal that can be recorded and monitored. 

I will however, apologise if I came across as an arsehole during that period.

Don't worry you didn't do anything wrong it's cool. Just would of prefer ed to talk instead of the instant ban, it's understandable from your perspective though.

 

[Ponty]

Don't worry you didn't do anything wrong it's cool. Just would of prefer ed to talk instead of the instant ban, it's understandable from your perspective though.

I'm more referring to your implication that I have or will use my Admin Powers to aid myself in a gunfight. I have never needed to use name tags and player markers and I never will use it.

 

[Robbie]

If I'm honest I'm worried that I belive he is in AR and that if he can use his powers thay easyily it worries me how easily he could use the powers in a gunfight with name tags and admin map. As I say a admin before was previously banned for using those things in gunfights to his advantage. I think their should be a slot were admins can't have weapons or that such or part take in roleplay so there isn't any cross over and then inturn anyone worrying.

This is quite the accusation you have made, tbh with you I find it quite disrespectful. Just for your information, when admins use any "admin powers"  eg camera and map, they get put into admin suit which is extreamly noticeable. Therefore if you have no proof of anyone doing this I'd strongly recommend not bringing it up in your appeal as it honestly sounds like your trying to shift the blame from the actual ban and get others in trouble. My advise to you is that this is your unban appeal, directly accusing staff members of abusing there powers won't exactly help you with your appeal. Telling us what you will do differently if the situation happens again will help you in your appeal. 

 

[PabIo]

This is quite the accusation you have made, tbh with you I find it quite disrespectful. Just for your information, when admins use any "admin powers"  eg camera and map, they get put into admin suit which is extreamly noticeable. Therefore if you have no proof of anyone doing this I'd strongly recommend not bringing it up in your appeal as it honestly sounds like your trying to shift the blame from the actual ban and get others in trouble. My advise to you is that this is your unban appeal, directly accusing staff members of abusing there powers won't exactly help you with your appeal. Telling us what you will do differently if the situation happens again will help you in your appeal. 

I'm not trying to acuse staff members of anything I just thought that Yano there would be more protection around it. I didn't think in game admins that weren't in like a admin slot could use any of their powers at all. 

Trust me on the fact that I ain't saying that I'm adamant admins do it and this and that because only on my time on this server have I ever know 2 admins to abuse their position that's all. There's dozens of admins that pass through the server so it's very rare it's just fustrated me that in this situation TTD revived himself adminitfly then tried shooting me with his pistol after being revived the 2nd or 3rd time. 

So sorry if what I have said has offended the admin team. I wasn't trying to imply everyone does it and it's a big thing. I know it's extremely rare. It's just maybe as I say a specific slot where admins can log onto instead of maybe a civ slot and get admin powers would be nice. 

And yea your right I should be going on about what I should do differently. Firstly I'll be making a post about the undercover system as I say in the fights and stuff I've used my common sense. Undercover cops got out of a marked police car pulled guns on my friend I was told I could shoot them. So I did , I killed 2 and one got away. Now I'm sure the one that got away was TTD in that blue sport. Of which I was tailed for a extremely long time I also knew he was undercover and assisting in a fight by basically being a human drone ( of which in the standard cops we can shoot at ). 

I understand with the current rules that I have RDM'd TTD. I get that but I really don't think that should be classed as RDM. With the current rules and the undercover system it literally a bait for a ban. 

As I have said many times , if you dress like a rebel be expected to me treated like one. If this was with a rebel the situation would Be percetly fine. But no when I killed TTD his a undercover cop and I must of used their rules. Granted I knew that but there should be a difference. If you've blown your cover then I can't just pretend your undercover still , IRL you wouldn't.

In another situation at HM there was a sporty at the start going round amoni and kept driving around HM. Also rebel trucks were around the area and so on. After a good while I shot the driver of the sporty. Once again it was a undercover , I assumed it was a rebel that shouldn't be in that area. Clearly knew there was a active gun fight going on and I believed they were going to interfere with the HM. 

But no it was a undercover cop and I was almost reported. That's unfair because he was rebel geared so I treated him as one and followed the rules for a rebel as that's what he looks like. Just because he was undercover there's a different set of rules and a diffrent attitude. Rebels would be chill and ask for comp. no offence but on every situation with undercover cops ( which is only combat ) I have been threatened with a report and so on. 

I think theirs a giant amount of loop holes and unfairity on the current system. A few simple rules introductions would make everything fine and in my situation now I wouldn't be banned. 

Im here to have a good time on the sever and make gangs great again ! Not ruin people's fun and break rules constantly. This is the first time I have been banned for breaking a rule in game. I ain't intended to do it I've just used my common sense as you would in real life , which I think alright since the sever is ment to stimulate real life. 

I just realy wanna get unbanned play again ans make a suggestion post about the undercover cops because I'm not the only one that feels things need to change . So please give me the opportunity to do so and work with me on improving the system if the majority agree with my view.

 

[Samatlewis]

My first comments on this appeal will be directed at the accusations that staff members abuse their powers in-game. As pointed out by Robbie we have strict rules surrounding this; if caught we would either get removed from the staff team, warned/demoted or removed from the team and banned from the servers. For such little things like 'winning' a gunfight by reviving ourselves I think all our staff members realise that it's not even remotely worth it. We all volunteer here for a reason and that is to ensure the community is kept safe, the forums are accessible and open and the game servers are being played fairly by all players. With regards to your suggestions regarding staff powers in game being limited to a specific slot I honestly think that's absurd (My opinion). We are in a trusted position on the server, we've worked hard to get here for the benefit of the COMMUNITY. Putting a restriction on our ability to quickly jump into admin mode is silly; what if a hacker was blowing everything up and this and that? We wouldn't be able to react immediately because we would have to faff around logging out and back in. If you have such distrust for the staff in this community then maybe you should find a more professional staff team elsewhere that you can trust (that would be hard because we pride ourselves on our professionalism and the ability to do our jobs as fairly as possible.)

Moving forward I don't know enough about the police's undercover section. There are NO specific server rules in-place surrounding them and so situations should be treated as any other player-to-player interaction, obviously common sense applies when dealing with undercover officers and so forth. Should you have as big an issue with the system as you claim I would suggest putting forward a list of the current issues and possible solutions in the correct manner (forwarding to CSI's or more publicly posting a suggestion thread in the police public area). Should any game breaking matters be raised that bears evidence and weight I am sure the board would step in immediately and find a solution or put restrictions in place where necessary (an example would be when the board voted to restrict Armed response.)

Throughout this whole appeal, I see denial of any wrong doings made by yourself. I was sceptical of this appeal hence @Drew's involvement. He has clarified that @TomTheDoge and @Ponty acted correctly, no abuse of power was committed. To go into more depth; Ponty was a neutral staff member and was responding to a request for staff to spectate a specific group/player (you) and wanted for information hence Tom's involvement. Should you still be under the stern belief that foul play was undertaken by either or both Tom and Ponty I urge you to talk with the staff leads @Crumble/@Ram/Drew or management ( @Vladic Ka ) OR you could also contact @Edgar Ville/ @@FriendlyFireGuy as they are a separate entity from the staff team.

Now to touch on the rule broken by yourself; as stated earlier it was deemed an official rule break by Ponty of whom is a trusted level 2 staff member. I am not entirely convinced you can/have acknowledged the fact that YOU are in the wrong. I can understand to a degree that the circumstances were poor at best from your perspective hence why you took the actions you did. I am willing to unban you provided you can demonstrate a clear and concise understanding for the rules regarding RDM/FAIL-RP. Please demonstrate your understanding in a way you are comfortable.

 

[PabIo]

@Samatlewis as previously mentioned it takes long for me to quote and delete thing and some I'll just just reply constructivly to each paragraph in order. 

Firstly I so trust the staff team for sure and defintatly don't be belive they abuse there powers where ever their on and such. It's just previously I've had experience with admins abusing powers so I'm always so weary of the possability of it happening. I didn't mean mean it to discredit then admin in anyway so for that's I'm sorry. Secondly about the separate slot for the admin i surpose It wouldn't make sense especially if something urgently needs to to be resolved I just would of thought there might be a admin on duty all the time considering admins are active on the sever a lot. 

Thirdly, I will I indeed talk to a few people and get their view so on the matter of undercover cops and make a very constructed arguments on the issues of it and possibly resolutions for them. Once I am on my computer I ill get this sorted as soon as I can. 

Fourthy I can tell persue the claim tha TTD revived himself then started shooting at me as I do dont have proof so itll be a wasted effort. 

Lastly, I know I have broken a rule for sure. It was indeed RDM but from perspectives and situation and my beliefs on how the undercover system should work I disagree. Hence why I didn't what I did. I am extremly willing to get unbaned and I'll do whatever is needed untill your satisfaction of my knowledge of the rules is met. I can glady do this over teamspeak and give you've a verbal explanation of the rules in diffrent situations  untill you have enough reasoning for the unban. Currently Im unavailable to come to ts for a while so it might be a few days untill I can do so.

 

[Samatlewis]

I hope to see/be made aware of any suggestions you make to the police with regards to th undercover system. As I've previously said if it is deemed to overpowered by the board it will be restricted and controlled.

Moving forward can you demonstrate on your appeal that you understand the RDM rule in a way that you want to. I wouldn't want to delay the appeal any further due to your restricted computer access as well as I would prefer to have anything related to this appeal on paper (so to speak). 

 

[PabIo]

I hope to see/be made aware of any suggestions you make to the police with regards to th undercover system. As I've previously said if it is deemed to overpowered by the board it will be restricted and controlled.

Moving forward can you demonstrate on your appeal that you understand the RDM rule in a way that you want to. I wouldn't want to delay the appeal any further due to your restricted computer access as well as I would prefer to have anything related to this appeal on paper (so to speak). 

I'll make sure a forum post is written about the undercover system. 

Secodnly then , so RDM is random deathmatch meaning you cannot just shoot someone and kill them without valid roleplay. Your own aloud to kill someone under a high amount of roleplay. Saying " hands up or die " would be classed as fail RP and a fail intiation and therefor RDM as no high quality roleplay was given. Also RDM can valid when someone has complied with your demands fully but you still kill them. That's also RDM. 

I don't know if that'll satisfy yourself and if you've want more variants of the rules in gerneral let me know.

 

[Samatlewis]

I am satisfied by your response. I would urge you to speak to staff on teamspeak should you need any clarification with regards to the rules and I would also encourage you to approach a staff member that is in the police force (preferably a higher ranking officer) to gain clarity on protocols with undercover officers, should you still not feel comfortable interacting with them in-game.

This will be on your player record; please don't let us see you here anytime soon.

Unbanned.