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Un-ban Appeal - Saul Goodman - 01/16/2017 (Unbanned)

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Saul Goodman

Server 1 Enthusiast
Legendary Donator
Location
Newcastle
In-game Name
Saul Goodman

Steam ID
76561198044398644

The date of your ban.
01/15/2017

Member of the team that banned you.
Shalloa

Reason given for your ban.
Exploiting

The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
I believe to be banned because of what happened after a roleplay bank job that took place on the 15th of January, after much back and forth toxicity over side chat by Invictia and the UNMC *shit talking over OOC about TCK* the two groups that then happened to somehow be the very robbers of the gold that we had taken from H.M Treasury... However as I remember Shalloa stating in a conversation that UNMC were under the impression TCK were going to attack their base and were up in their lands at the time of this it's amazing what "Who's doing the bank?" and the answer of "Probably TCK" can do. Now let's get into why I'm banned as I feel like speaking my mind honestly since we are sitting at my appeal and not my rant post. I was banned due to the fact that upon storing my gold (not in combat) and then fighting to save my gang members from being robbed and being immediately fragged (fair play) to Invictia. I decided to close Arma to save my session of recording and hop back into Arma almost immediately, however due to the previous server being full at the time I jumped on Server 1 instead of Server 2 where the bank job happened. Now the reason I am banned is due to the fact that I had sold the gold in doing so. Which would be acceptable had I of done it at a later time for example.. 4 hours later next restart so that would put everyone at a level playing-field and so that if they did have any information regarding my house location that they could then try to heap the rewards and riches from this. However this was not this case it was sold almost immediately and at the time I never really put much thought into to it to be honest I've never really been in this situation before and whenever I have done a H.M it was instant sell and probably as to why I have made this mistake. After having a conversation with Shalloa on the day it happened we chatted for sometime and he explained to me that I had done nothing wrong (under the impression no gold was sold) I presume, and to that I had some confusion at the beginning as to why I was banned. After some checks by Shalloa and his detective team they found rule break in my Bank Job and I am now banned for it. I then asked for Vladic Ka to explain to me so I could understand as often sometimes you can be totally oblivious as to the reasons you have been punished in certain areas providing they aren't blown out obvious.

Why should we unban you ?
I have been a member of this community just under a year, 25/01/2017 will be year mark. I am no angel by any means and have often found myself in trouble because of who I am and what I get involved in however I always try to play by the rules and enjoy the community for what is. I believe I have been banned a total of 3-4 times during my time here and at least two of them being void due to circumstances of them not actually counting although one of them is to really be disputed and removed due to the way it was performed but that is a story for another time. I wish to be un-banned so that I can continue playing in this community as this is where my Arma 3 Journey began, in fact RP servers was the whole reason that I even bought Arma 3 and is now the reason I have over 1,200+ hours on it and this just from this community alone. I would consider myself a fairly decent at roleplay and would wish to remain given the chance, I have whole heartily not committed this rule break knowingly or within any intent to get one over the game or the system to exploit the fact that selling the gold would be easier. If this situation was to happen again I would not sell the gold until a later date or at least 4 hours later at the next restart considering I was dead at the time. I have not been banned for over six months and when I have been banned I was fairly new to the community.. one for running someone over with a Go-Kart when I first arrived. My actions are not justified by not knowing that I was exploiting however I hope that I am treated fairly in my appeal and look forward to hearing your verdict.

Please confirm this unban request is for you.
Yes

I have read and understand the unban appeal process
Yes

Please confirm you understand there is no timeframe for your appeal.
Yes

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Well, I find myself somewhat disappointed to be seeing this. I (as well as I'm sure many other people) can testify to you being a great roleplayer and active member of this community. Regardless, that of course doesn't excuse what frankly is exploiting as you have identified. In terms of your... shall we say rocky? past with bans, it has been a long time now (more than 6 months) so I don't see any reason for that to negatively impact on your appeal. We can all change and you made the effort to, no complaints there.

Now, onto the point at hand. Clearly you are very aware that what you did is against our rules. In order for me to be able to confidently say that what you did wasn't intended to be malicious, talk me through it a bit. What were you doing and why did you not think about how this is exploiting? In the case of a long time member, I would hope that you would think about what you are doing a little bit more. Our rules stipulate that exploiting would usually lead to a permenant ban without appeal so I suggest you make an effort to convince me.

 
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Well essentially it all kick started from our roleplay bank job we were performing and and on forth, I'll try my best to put you what goes though my mind as I'm doing this. I managed to safely store my gold without any conflict to return to my gang members and attempt to aid them in our pitiful attempt at saving the other trucks full of gold. I am met with my death almost instantly on roof top as I pull a weapon, without thought I close down Arma 3 and to get my Plays TV Session to stop so that when I go back in they are separate recordings which takes a total of about 20 seconds. I go to the server list to see that he server I was previously playing on was no longer available at he moment we are at about 11:20pm and I couldn't really be bothered to wait as sometimes it can take a long time. The mistake I made which has become quite evident to myself now was to continue what took place and should have remained on the initial server in which everyone who was involved was still actively playing on rather than "hopping" on the other server. While I logged on I finished my bank job by selling the gold which is where the mistake is. I am not often presented with such circumstances and these type of situations however I have very poorly handled this scenario and not considered how this is expoliting. I should have just waited, however my patience got the better of me. I hadn't considered this to be initially exploiting because I wasn't involved in combat while storing my gold and had no reason to believe either myself or my house location was in danger from anyone. After what I believed to be finishing my "roleplay" session as I had died and then logged onto the other server. Upon reflecting I understand that this makes it so my house can not be robbed on server one no longer and I am not on a level playing field giving myself an unfair advantage against the opposition at the time. However as mentioned before my patience got the better of me and without thinking carried out selling the gold, now I did this under the impression that I had broke no server rules as I had previously had a lengthy 25-30 minute conversation with Shalloa on TeamSpeak since I was being harassed by UNMC with messages constantly accusing me of rulebreaks which happens prior to selling the gold. What I did I believe to be a clear mistake and somethings like this can happen as exploitation is very vast upon what things can be considered as exploiting and if you don't think about them before hand well.. they really can go straight past you in train of thought. 

@TomTheDoge

 
@Saul Goodman I have received a large quantity of evidence regarding the situation leading up to your ban and will be assessing it over the next 24 hours.

If you have any evidence from the situation that you are able to supply, please take this opportunity to do so. I am not expecting any as such but anything that would assist in defending your corner as to the mistake would make this process somewhat less painful.

 
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@Saul Goodman I have received a large quantity of evidence regarding the situation leading up to your ban and will be assessing it over the next 24 hours.

If you have any evidence from the situation that you are able to supply, please take this opportunity to do so. I am not expecting any as such but anything that would assist in defending your corner as to the mistake would make this process somewhat less painful.
A little confused here if I may, but is this evidence you have received in support of this or something else? Also please see footage attached below of the events that take place once we have arrived back at Kavala PD after being escorted. I don't have anymore footage as the afterwards has been deleted to save storage a while back but please see attached my perspective for you to evaluate my claims.

Edit: Mad cow disease must of made these evidence submissions come in from false claims.

@TomTheDoge

http://plays.tv/s/L79mBA1Dlcoj

 
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Right... @Saul Goodman Where to begin. I've looked at video from various different angles of this entire situation in order to make a valid assessment as to how much of a mistake it was. Not to imply I expected you to be a liar as such, but given the nature of the ban I believe all eventualities should be covered.

Just to clear up a few things first of all.

1) I spoke to a member of your gang and expressed my disappointment that one of the TCK trucks was parked in a blue zone and locked and everyone with keys had died. It was full of gold and therefore not lockpickable due to being in the bluezone so I thought it was a sad irony. Your gang member implied that you said you never died and was going to go back for it. Clearly bollocks as far as the recording shows and seemed like an attempt to pull wool over my eyes. If of course this isn't true, then they may have misunderstood?

2) In your own video, at what point do you consider it to be reasonable to store gold through a wall from outside of your house. I get that you were trying to save time but people have been banned for that also. You take the time the first 2 or 3 times to run in and out and then appear to just give up by windows keying on the wall. I don't agree in being a witness onto yourself as such so I don't intend on straight up denying because of it (although I could), however explain the thought process behind that somewhat. Based on what I am seeing, it appears to be less like a mistake and more like laziness that lead to your ban.

 
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In regards to the initial claim about a gang member coming back to claim this truck, I believe the gang member dealing with that wasn't even online nor was he involved in the bank operation which is most likely as  to why his information is poor at, at least nobody claimed the truck that's all I can say. My ban wasn't for storing my gold through my wall.. my ban was for selling the gold on another server and for it not being a level playing field because of this. In response to myself eventually just storing the gold into the house via the wall.. I hadn't seen any problem with this initially since I wasn't under any threat and the only way this would be considered at exploiting at the time was for the process to go some what quicker I had left the door open and was probably about 1 metre from the door when doing the whole thing so at the time seen no problem with this, I am aware that doing things like that is not tolerated at the H.M treasury like passing gold through windows or walls to speed up the process as it's not logically possible and is definitely an advantage in many other ways besides speed. @TomTheDoge

 
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@Saul Goodman I have spoken to the person in question, 100% cleared up point 1 so apologies for the slightly accusatory nature.

On the subject of point 2. At the end of the day, we would be debating the difference in RP between sprinting at full speed carrying a shitload of gold the grand distance of 1m or throwing it into the door. I really don't see the point since both are mechanics of the game but I make it clear that you could have been banned for that all the same and it is not any quality of RP.

In spite of the fact that as you said, you weren't banned for that anyway, you can call it a bad day or whatever but the more little things that come up that you didn't do quite right, the less confident I am in you not doing a similar thing again if you were unbanned. On the merit of your past time here and the overarching opinion that you didn't act in order to stop roleplay, but instead just out of dare I say sheer laziness, I am willing to give you a chance.

I need to put it on the table that any such incidents within the next 3 months would lead to a perm ban without appeal. By becoming unbanned you would be accepting that while we recognise the need for us to allow mistakes to happen when many things in roleplay come down to common sense and that resolving situations can happen, any further issues within the next 3 months would lead to you not being granted another opportunity (laziness or not). Any edging along the ruleline that often would go forgiven, would not be dealt with in quite such a relaxed fashion. You will need to tread carefully on somewhat of a probation for these next 3 months. For someone who I am confident is a good roleplayer and this was just a bad day, this won't be an issue? True?

Do you accept this?

 
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@Saul Goodman I have spoken to the person in question, 100% cleared up point 1 so apologies for the slightly accusatory nature.

On the subject of point 2. At the end of the day, we would be debating the difference in RP between sprinting at full speed carrying a shitload of gold the grand distance of 1m or throwing it into the door. I really don't see the point since both are mechanics of the game but I make it clear that you could have been banned for that all the same and it is not any quality of RP.

In spite of the fact that as you said, you weren't banned for that anyway, you can call it a bad day or whatever but the more little things that come up that you didn't do quite right, the less confident I am in you not doing a similar thing again if you were unbanned. On the merit of your past time here and the overarching opinion that you didn't act in order to stop roleplay, but instead just out of dare I say sheer laziness, I am willing to give you a chance.

I need to put it on the table that any such incidents within the next 3 months would lead to a perm ban without appeal. By becoming unbanned you would be accepting that while we recognise the need for us to allow mistakes to happen when many things in roleplay come down to common sense and that resolving situations can happen, any further issues within the next 3 months would lead to you not being granted another opportunity (laziness or not). Any edging along the ruleline that often would go forgiven, would not be dealt with in quite such a relaxed fashion. You will need to tread carefully on somewhat of a probation for these next 3 months. For someone who I am confident is a good roleplayer and this was just a bad day, this won't be an issue? True?

Do you accept this?
I accept, these claims and promise to be on my best behaviour in not aggravating these rules set forth in-front of me to become a problem within a 3 month time frame and at also try my best to not get involved in such laziness when the opportunity arises once again. @TomTheDoge

 
I don't see any reason to make you wait any further due to the duration you waited for my initial response.

Unbanned, don't let me down or I will not be so forgiving.

 
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