Un-ban Appeal - imaK - 06/01/19

[imaK]

In-game Name
imaK

Steam ID

76561198442185650

The date of your ban.
06/01/19

Member of the team that banned you.
mryan19

Reason given for your ban.
5.3: New Life Rule

The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
I was banned for picking up a friend in a chopper 150m away from the scene of a death.

Why should we unban you ?
I was executed, after being downed due to desync.
The time was around 6:45am, so we was very tired and I didn't want to sit 1km away and make my friend walk to me for pickup.

I parked the chopper away from where I died and told my friend to run over to me to board and we immediately left the area.

The reason why I told him to run over is because I did not want to disturb the experience of others on the server, which is why I believe the NLR is in place.

I should be unbanned because my breach of the rules was a mere technicality and I did not disturb or intend to disturb anyone elses experience on the server. I understand that the NLR dictates that a player cannot return within 1000m of a scene of their death, but considering that it was extremely late, not many players were on at the time, and I took reasonable measures to ensure roleplay or the overall experience of other players on the server was not disturbed in any significant way, I don't think that this was a reasonable thing to be banned for.

The banning admin even agreed that NLR was not made for the reason I got banned (players being in certain areas) and I completely understand that I was banned by the books for a breach of the rules, however again considering the circumstances I do not believe at all that I should be banned for this.

Please confirm this unban request is for you.
Yes

I have read and understand the unban appeal process
Yes

Please confirm you understand there is no timeframe for your appeal.
Yes

Before you submit this form please confirm you have fully read the rules click here
Yes

 

[Jefke V]

01/06/2019 8:01 AM - 5.3 - By mryan19 on 06/01/2019

12/06/2018 1:55 AM - 2.5 - By Stavik on 06/12/2018

thats 2 bans in 1 month ... 
And then you even recieved a warning for RDM... 

What do you think the rules dont apply on you? 
Why should we even consider to unban you, with a record like that? 

 

[imaK]

thats 2 bans in 1 month

I started the server 1 month ago, I obviously had a bumpy start and have had a clean record since then. Additionally, "2 bans in 1 month" makes me seem a lot worse, as I do not believe this ban is justified.

What do you think the rules dont apply on you? 

I never said this, nor did I imply it. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Why should we even consider to unban you, with a record like that? 

Because I was banned for a silly reason. I breached the NLR zone to pick up a friend, and made measures as to not disturb the roleplay, which is what the NLR is actually in place for. 
 

First of all, I was only killed due to desync and then an execution that followed, so this whole thing was down to desync.

Secondly, I told the player who I was picking up to run 150m down the road as to not disturb the roleplay of other players.

Lastly, the banning admin said that I was banned for the NLR, however they agreed this was not what the NLR was designed for. This in essence means that no real offence was committed, there was no disturbance to roleplay, no RDM, nothing that has caused harm to anybody. IF anything, me picking up my friend during this time actually sped up the roleplay on the server. 

Allow me to clarify, this ban would completely be justified in my eyes if I did what I did with a large amount of players in the area, as this is likely to disturb roleplay.

However in this specific case there was a very few amount of players online, no players in the immediate area I was picking up my friend in, and extremely slow roleplay on the server. Is it reasonable to make my friend run a whole KM at this time so I can pick him up? I don't think so at all. 

In short, I was banned for breach of the NLR, however no real harm was done. The previous warnings on my account are from the very start of my life on roleplay.co.uk, or from an isolated incident where there was a lack of communication (in the case of the "RDM"). I did not say the rules do not apply to me, nor do I think this. Furthermore, I feel the ban against me has no real ground as it caused absolutely no harm to anybody on the server, and only sped things up and allowed different roleplay to occur later on, adding to the experience of others on the server.
 

Many thanks,
imaK.

 

[NotMattch]

as I do not believe this ban is justified.

Not up to you nor do we care.  If the ban wasn't justified then you wouldn't be appealing one in the first place so you can stop banging on about how its unjustified.

I never said this, nor did I imply it. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Your record speaks for itself.  You clearly don't care about the rules or think that they don't apply to you from the sheer fact that you've been banned twice and warned once all within the space of a month.

Because I was banned for a silly reason. I breached the NLR zone to pick up a friend, and made measures as to not disturb the roleplay, which is what the NLR is actually in place for. 

You broke the rules, end of story.  There's no justification of "oh but I did it because of X" or "I broke the rule but noone was affected so who cares".  You broke it, deal with the consequences.

First of all, I was only killed due to desync and then an execution that followed, so this whole thing was down to desync.

Secondly, I told the player who I was picking up to run 150m down the road as to not disturb the roleplay of other players.

Doesn't matter if you were killed via desync or not, the rules are clear on what exceptions are permitted.  Secondly, see the above point, the rule was broken end of story.

Lastly, the banning admin said that I was banned for the NLR, however they agreed this was not what the NLR was designed for. This in essence means that no real offence was committed, there was no disturbance to roleplay, no RDM, nothing that has caused harm to anybody. IF anything, me picking up my friend during this time actually sped up the roleplay on the server. 

You can keep mentioning this but we've spoken to mryan and his story is entirely different.  He didn't agree that it's "not what NLR is designed for" he stated that his personal opinion was not made for a specific reason however what you did was still a rule break, hence you were banned.

So before we even bother continuing - Have you actually understood why you are banned and that a rule break is a rule break regardless of whatever else you might think.  Or is this ban still unjustified?

 

[imaK]

Have you actually understood why you are banned and that a rule break is a rule break regardless of whatever else you might think.  Or is this ban still unjustified?

Yes, I understand that what I did was a rule break and thus justified.

I am familiar with the rules of the server.

I understand that the rules apply to everyone, I have never stated or believed otherwise.

All I offer in this appeal is a mere explanation as to why the rule break took place, and hope that you can understand that this was not broken in a malicious way or in a way that was with the intent to disturb the server.

If unbanned, I will ensure this rule break does not occur again.

 

[Gurlanin]

Explain to us, in your own words, why the New Life Rule exists, and then explain how you will ensure that you will avoid this from being repeated again in the future.

 

[imaK]

why the New Life Rule exists

In my own words, the New Life Rule exists to ensure high quality roleplay occurs on the server.

I will ensure that I do not infringe upon the 1000m radius in future by being more wary of the boundaries, and not being impatient, waiting the 15 minute timer.

 

[Gurlanin]

In my own words, the New Life Rule exists to ensure high quality roleplay occurs on the server.

You've got to put a lot more effort in than 18 words.

 

[imaK]

You've got to put a lot more effort in than 18 words.

I initially wrote and explained what the rule actually is, but you asked for WHY. That is in the best possible explanation as to why I could offer directly answering your question.

But, I will rewrite what I initially was going to post:

The current measures the new life rule takes in order to ensure high quality roleplay are as follows:

1) When a player dies in an RP situation or is killed by a cop, a new life is created. When a new life is created, the following applies:

The player does not remember any previous roleplay situations.

The player does not remember where any of its vehicles outside the garage are

The player does not remember any previous enemies (your killer/robber etc)

The player cannot return within 1000m of the location of death or be involved in the same combat situation until the 15 minute NLR timer has expired.

The player does remember their friends & gang members.

None of the following will apply when: 

a) The player was a victim of a clear case of VDM/RDM

b) The player is downed, not killed completely.

c) The player logs off.

 

[Gurlanin]

You're right: I did ask for why, which is why I'm wondering what the issue with and why you're finding it so difficult to complete the task I have set. Your one sentence answer did not have enough effort put in, and so I require you to expand on your answer, not quote the rules at me, so that I am satisfied that you understand the rules and not simply quote key words from the rules page at me as if by doing so will magically trigger an unban.

To reiterate: I want you to explain why we have the rule in place.

 

[imaK]

I want you to explain why we have the rule in place.

I really don't know what you are trying to get me to tell you. I have specific problems, but I will still attempt to answer you to the best of my ability.

To expand on my statement of: "In my own words, the New Life Rule exists to ensure high quality roleplay occurs on the server."

The NLR does this by stopping unrealistic situations, such as seeing some you had killed a minute later. This is achieved by the 1000m radius of the NLR.

Additionally, the NLR ensures high quality roleplay by not giving unfair advantages to those who are killed and gained information beforehand. This is done by the loss of all previous memories stated in the NLR.

 

[Qrow]

I really don't know what you are trying to get me to tell you. I have specific problems, but I will still attempt to answer you to the best of my ability.

To expand on my statement of: "In my own words, the New Life Rule exists to ensure high quality roleplay occurs on the server."

The NLR does this by stopping unrealistic situations, such as seeing some you had killed a minute later. This is achieved by the 1000m radius of the NLR.

Additionally, the NLR ensures high quality roleplay by not giving unfair advantages to those who are killed and gained information beforehand. This is done by the loss of all previous memories stated in the NLR.

Thank you for answering Gurlanin's question. 
Now I have one, 
Under any circumstances, time/players on server/actions of another player is it acceptable for you to break a server rule? 

 

[imaK]

Apologies for the late reply.

It is not acceptable under any circumstances to break the server rules, regardless of players online or the time.

Retaliating by breaking rules because of another player is just an easy way to get banned, unacceptable. If a player is RDMing for example the staff will quickly deal with the issue and provide compensation if necessary.

The server has measures in place to deal with these issues, so the actions of another player is no excuse. 

 

[Gurlanin]

You've had to be spoken to several times in the past about rule breaks, and as was brought up earlier, this is your second ban in the space of a month. You've been given chances to read the rules and yet you're back here.

The first time this was mentioned to you, you tried to argue that the ban was unjustified, and generally showed a complete lack of understanding of the rules: not only of their content, but also the reasons for their existence. You have since, after our questions, reversed your position.

What assurances do we have that you actually do understand, and are not simply telling us what you think we want to see in the hope that you'll get unbanned? What's to stop you from being back here in another month with another ban?

 

[imaK]

The first time this was mentioned to you, you tried to argue that the ban was unjustified, and generally showed a complete lack of understanding of the rules: not only of their content, but also the reasons for their existence. You have since, after our questions, reversed your position.

What assurances do we have that you actually do understand, and are not simply telling us what you think we want to see in the hope that you'll get unbanned? What's to stop you from being back here in another month with another ban?

I initially felt the ban was "Unjustified" (poor choice of words) because I didn't do anything maliciously and it affected nobody. I initially was tired writing the post at about 7am - I should've just gone to bed really, but thats not relevant. 

Coming back to it, I looked at it from the perspective of the admin, and came to the conclusion that by the rules the ban was indeed justified as I had entered into the exclusion zone of the NLR. This is why I changed my standpoint on the issue.

I have a understanding of the rules, and why they exist. Just chose poor words when describing the ban in my initial post. Apologies for this.

As I previously explained, I will ensure that this does not happen again. 

I have had time to revise the rules, and while I knew all of the content, its always good to solidify my memory of them.  

 

[Sonder]

Very well, prove us that you are true to your words. You are on thin ice. Any minor fuckup can get you right back at this section, and I can promise you that it will not be easy to get unbanned after a 3rd ban. 

Going forth, hopefully you have learnt to not contact staff about your ban / unban. You deal with that here, in the ban appeal.

UNBANNED. Welcome back!

 

[Sonder]

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