Un-ban Appeal - GreeN007 - 07/28/2017 (Denied)

[GreeN007]

In-game Name
GreeN

Steam ID
76561198039646601

The date of your ban.
07/25/2017

Member of the team that banned you.
Busterguy

Reason given for your ban.
RDM

The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
Because i shot TickTack and 7 seconds is not enough to comply with my order to put his hands up. Rule (2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban). But i would like to mark, that the rule says: without engaging in any form of quality role play, 99% forms are "put your hands up", most of people initiate me like that. I think that its not about when you shoot an admin... right? i should say "please put your hands up, please dont take your gun out, please dont point it at me, please now revive me"...

Why should we unban you ?
Cause i'm an old your community fan, i allways spend most of my free time on your servers, 70% having fun and helping the community as an NHS. First time that i have been banned, when i came to discuss it on teamspeak, than ticktack kicks me without any reason of his channel (he didnt wanted to listen my version after he tolds his version), then his friend busterguy bans me without letting me discuss it with tictacks on report post. I asked ticktack on forum a couple questions, but without any answer i got banned. He actually made a misstake after being shot, cause he came as an admin and you can see how fast that was. Theres the situation: https://youtu.be/99kEAAqUpYI
----- But i would like to mark, that the rule says: without engaging in any form of quality role play: 99% forms are "put your hands up", most of people initiate me like that. I think that its not about when you shoot an admin... right? i should say "please put your hands up, please dont take your gun out, please dont point it at me, please now revive me"... I gave him an order, even said "please", he was about to get in cover and his friend was probably about to kill me instantly... I made a private message and asked busterguy to come to ts with any other staff member, to discuss why he didnt gave me a chance to solve this on report post... Most of the times it appears to take 4-5 days to solve it and discuss, i asked ticktack why he kicked me, why he says that he didnt had enough time if he was not about to accept my order...

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[Jefke V]

do you think hands up hands up please is quality roleplay ? 

 

[GreeN007]

I allways initiate much better, but now... i showed to other admins and my friends... and i agree, that was not a good quality roleplay, but it was acceptable... i still think that 6-7 seconds is quite enough to remove the finger from W key and start communicating. I allways complain with the orders within 3 seconds... and i know that ticktack doesnt need to think that long and he was not about to accept my offer to put his hands up.... most of the times i do much better than that, but now, when we stalked them for 10-15mins, we already knew theres alot of them and i knew what will happen when he gets away... there was no problems at all to discuss it and say sorry or give a compensation... but now, when i got kicked from the channel cause he invited me to listen him insulting me and kicking... and busterguy banning me instantly without letting me and ticktack have a discussion on forum post... i dont know how far i can go.. i do feel about that this time i got ****** up by staff team member who was not about to accept my order to put his hands up... as you can see from the video, my squad got killed cause we saw him spawning as an admin instantly after he got shot.. i was about to have a friendly conversation with him and solve this out, but now im banned... and my squad was who lost alot of shit, actually i gave him a low level order, but he must agree that he should put his hands up or die... and if he would agree with that, we would take him as a hostage and start making a deal to trade him to his friends or any other scenario... most of the times you got shot within 5 seconds if you dont put your hands up or start running away, but... he had alot of time to think about my offer, and he chosen his way... after he chose to run away and i killed him, he says that he didnt had a time to think about that... i agree that this roleplay is quite bad but i was about to stop him, not to shoot him... and we had an opportunity to solve this the other way than that...

 

[Aiden]

Okay, so from your statement there, you feel this was acceptable behaviour, that 'Hands up, hands up, hands up' is of sufficient quality roleplay for you to shoot and kill a person?

 actually i gave him a low level order, but he must agree that he should put his hands up or die... 

Please tell me you aren't being serious here.

Also from your own story, you ran up to an identified large gang of people and decided instead of initiating any high quality roleplay, instead you opted for what you believed to be passable quality roleplay to get a quick kill. (I can count at least 3 staff members now, who believe that isn't the case)

If you have evidence of any abuse or insults being banded around inside the liaison, I encourage you to pass them to a staff lead, however at the moment you're throwing an accusation without any sort of proof. TikTak has video evidence that he provided of you breaking a rule therefore it has been actioned and you have been banned.

Edit: I feel it's also important to note from your own video you finish talking at 00:23 and you fire your first shot at 00:26 and TikTak is dead by 00:27. If you feel this enough time to comply, you are very sadly mistaken

As far as TikTak (Edit: I have been reliably informed it was Clarity who spawned in his admin suit) spawning in, in his admin suit, that is for a staff lead to decide whether that was a justified use of his staff ability @TomTheDoge @Drew @Ram

 

[GreeN007]

//Okay, so from your statement there, you feel this was acceptable behaviour, that 'Hands up, hands up, hands up' is of sufficient quality roleplay for you to shoot and kill a person?

I do think, that i was able to shot him down, i didnt executed him or even went for it... if i would like to RDM someone, i can upload a video where ticktack runs around us, stay's still and we're just looking at them... But if a player gives an order "put your hands up", you should stop and put your hands up as said, cause its a beginning of roleplay, and most of the times, if someone has a gun on their hands and you say "put your hands up", they shoot instantly.... seems not legit for me when that happens, but somehow admins reject that reports.... 

 

//Also from your own story, you ran up to an identified large gang of people and decided instead of initiating any high quality roleplay, instead you opted for what you believed to be passable quality roleplay to get a quick kill. (I can count at least 3 staff members now, who believe that isn't the case)

Quick kills? we was there to scout them, we were about to go for a robbery later same night, but we never look for kills in roleplay server.... We knew who owns that base and we was there to stalk them and look what they're doing.

//If you have evidence of any abuse or insults being banded around inside the liaison, I encourage you to pass them to a staff lead, however at the moment you're throwing an accusation without any sort of proof. TikTak has video evidence that he provided of you breaking a rule therefore it has been actioned and you have been banned.

Of course i dont have any evidence cause i didnt tought that i should need it, anyway, i didnt had a time to start a recording... And, ok, staff member is a trusted one, he said that he tried to solve this out... im saying that i got kicked, most of the times i think there should be logs on the teamspeak how he "tried" to solve this out "friendly".

//Edit: I feel it's also important to note from your own video you finish talking at 00:23 and you fire your first shot at 00:26 and TikTak is dead by 00:27. If you feel this enough time to comply, you are very sadly mistaken

Time starts to count after first order being given.. He had alot of time to think what i asked him 2-3 times..

//


 actually i gave him a low level order, but he must agree that he should put his hands up or die... 


Please tell me you aren't being serious here.

Well, actually, if you give an order and he runs to his friends without saying anything to you, (probably gets in cover and starts shooting) you are 50000% sure that you can shoot him down, you can give an order to a person and that was already discussed alot of times in a teamspeak if feel someone rdm'ed me or i did that... 

//As far as TikTak (Edit: I have been reliably informed it was Clarity who spawned in his admin suit) spawning in, in his admin suit, that is for a staff lead to decide whether that was a justified use of his staff ability @TomTheDoge @Drew @Ram Look what does ticktack says on report post. So whos lying?


I feel sorry about that accident and i know the rules, i allways try to have a best roleplay (as an NHS you learn how to roleplay in so high), but i tried to come and solve this out, but someone wanted me to be banned. And i still think that i should have some time and ticktack should have a conversation with me if i ask something and try to solve this out... not being salty when kicking me and then instantly closing the report post... i saw alot of situation where people talks with each other and answers to each other, but not this time...

 

[Drew]

In regards to your accusations of receiving abuse, there was no point in bringing that up if you have no evidence against it. I will speak to the staff member involved who jumped the gun a little to early and teleported to you, he should know to teleport you away from this situation and talk to you regarding the incident.

However this doesn't mean that your roleplay was great, quite actually it was shocking. If you roleplay like this all the time and actually think your initiation should have made him listen then you are in the wrong community. 

 

[GreeN007]

As i said, that when someone gives you an order, you accept it or not... its up to everyone, ill look for some examples how roleplay is looking pretty good from my side if it will help me to get unban. But i dont promise that i can find some cause all my shadow play rotates and deletes every 10Gigs. 

 

[Aiden]

The difference is, your 'order' falls well below the par of acceptable roleplay and you seem to not understand that saying 'Hands up, hands up, hands up' simply isn't acceptable. 

[SIZE=medium](7.1.3) Killing and executing someone must be carried out with high roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. [/SIZE]

(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).

Time to comply aside, I'd argue the example given in the first quote is actually better than what you did, however still below the par of acceptable. It is for this reason I can't feel comfortable unbanning you at this time. 

Denied.