Un-ban Appeal - Badmansalv - 09/15/2016 (Unbanned)

[SALV]

In-game Name
[TCK] Salv

Steam ID
76561198156717180

The date of your ban.
09/15/2016

Member of the team that banned you.
Azamai

Reason given for your ban.
Disruptive attitude toward Azamai

The Server you initially were banned on.
Teamspeak

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
I was asked to come into Staff help to speak about a situation that just happened in game with Khaan, after disagreeing with the apparent rule break,, Khaan decided to leave. I then chose to leave as there was no reason for me to be there anymore. I then get dragged backed into the channel to have Azamai and TomTheDoge pretty much pushing me into the corner with questions which i was not in the best mood to answer.

During the time in the staff help there were 3 staff members which i still have no clue why. One been Khaans friend TomTheDoge. Also during this conversation Azamai tells me... pardon my french. He does not give a shit about this. To which I reply, Your a staff member and you don't give a shit about this? To then him saying again he doesn't give a shit.

Like i said I did say somethings that I do regret on my end because I'm not like that at all and then decided to leave the TS chat. But in my defense I had 3 guys in there and I was literally pushed into a corner. I wasn't willing to keep myself in that toxic situation any longer.

Why should we unban you ?
I'm never normally a person to get heated in situations when trying to resolve stuff. Like I said above, I literally felt like I was getting it from all angles. I had fellow gang member who actually killed Khaan and he wasn't allowed to be in the channel. The only thing I regret and wish I did better was to not rise to them, lose my cool and go off the handle abit.

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[Samuel Thompson]

@Azamaiyour thoughts?

 

[Azamai]

Okay lets start from the start and walk through it.

Khaan joins in to join for support, with Tom and I sitting talking to him about him feeling Metagamed. He showed us the video which is in the Report that is currently up.



This is where PopeChris joined in, I asked him to either leave or stay quiet since he was involved with the situation, and there for should not deal with the situation himself. This is where it was decided that I would deal with it, since as I told you, I don't care who breaks rules everyone should be brought to justice. 

As to the 3 Member Supports:

I was the only one talking, except when you yelled out "You guys are friends of Khaans! You are biased" where Tom got a bit heated and was told to calm down and be quiet by myself, so I don't know how you felt you were charged into a corner at all. Tom and Chris were in the room yes, however Chris never said a word and Tom only talked once.

About the issue:

We straight up pointed out it was metagaming what you did in the video, and if you had decided to say "Ah I see, I get it and wont do it again" it would have stopped there, no need for punishment or anything. Because you decided to disagree and try to turn this to your side, I spend 20 minutes attempting to explain to you why it was wrong. After 20 minutes of this issue being thrown in circles, I clearified to you again "This is metagame, done" this is where you changed up your story slightly saying you knew the name and server, because you had a "Source in the Police", I asked you for who it was and why you acted on the OOC info you gotten (At the time it was confirmed only to be Khaan himself and PopeChris on the server, S3 in the evening), and you said "I don't remember how he told me", which is complete and utter bollocks since Khaan had been on for 10 minutes at the time, (Confirmed by Pope) and if you had a informant giving you info about him being on, it would be within those 10 minutes. I said if the Officer send you this info out of game, it would be tolerated as Metagaming, to which you tried to argue it. This is where Khan decided to leave and I thought to myself ("Well Khaans part is done, but I'm still teaching you about Metagaming"), so I asked you "Please explain  to me, what is metagaming?", to which you stated "Naah, I can't be arsed. I'm done" and decided to leave the channel, however as the situation with us talking to you was not resolved so you were moved back in. I stated to you, "No we are not done, please answer my question what is metagaming?" and you told us ""mate I cant be fucking arsed with you talking down to us" and decided to leave the Teamspeak completely.

About the move:

To clearify, this was not done as the first thing. You were asked to join for support, and you came as you should, however you were moved back when you left prematurely to a resolve. Khaan was allowed to leave, because we can quickly get him back when we were done with making you understand what rules were broken, and you understanding why it was bad. But no you took Khaan being allowed to leave as a que to leave yourself, to which I moved you back to continue the talk, which you decided to leave TS for.

The ban:

This ban could be avoided if you actually tried resolving it with us instead of going mad about every single detail in this issue. If you had owned up to making a mistake we would have been done after 5 minutes, with you going back with a warning, but no you had to be offensive, get a attitude, lie and call every member support member in that room a biased person, even though not a single person who is in the member support team is suppose to do so, there for in my opinion underminding us completely. But this is only the top of the iceberg, I told Arrogant to go easy on you, since he talked to me about the issue, and how you felt about it and I understood your point and thought it was a honest mistake. However you decided to instead of dealing with this issue, to call me dealing with your situation a "Toxic Situation" and us ganging up on you, was me talking to you, Pope being quiet and Tom being ASKED by me to calm down, to exactly not give that feeling. Tom and Pope were not dealing with your situation at all. 

Reason for the ban:

The ban reason was for "Lying to support" and when things did not go your way, you began accusing the people trying to make you understand what you did wrong, so we could get on with our day, and stop the pointless discussion which was just a circle in the end.

My Language:

My point came across wrong and has been taken a bit out of context, you called us biased, I tell you first off, I don't give a fuck, plus that I don't give a fuck who it is breaking the rules, I think punishment should be brought. 

With this I end my rant. Hope that clearified a few things for you.

 

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@Badmansalv any response to this?

 

[SALV]

The situation had nothing to do with Tom at all. he shouldn't of even been there. Imo pope was fine but only if the other guys that were involved on my end. like Tommy Shelby, Saul Goodman and imstyles. So how come pope was allowed and a guy who wasn't even involved? Bit unfair if you ask me, It was literally 4v1.

You straight up pointed out it was Metagame, yet when Khaan reported it on the forum it got rejected. Bare in mind your part of the support team. You were adamant that this was metagaming.

I was roleplaying saying i had info from an offline duty officer that PC Khaan was on duty. there's nothing wrong with that. Also the fact Saul posted a video in Khaan report video clearly saying "Oh look, it's Khaan", without even seeing the tags. After I asked Khaan if it was actually him he give me a different name, that's when i took pope the other officer 50 meters away from khaan to ask him if he can confirm it was PC Khaan to which he said it was.

After Khaan left there was no other reason for me to be in that channel when I had you continuing to say it was meta gaming, so i left. Bare In mind I was already triggered that I had you, Khaan and Tom ganging up on me.

I've already admitted to using some language towards you when you dragged me back in. I was at boiling point I didn't want to deal with you any longer.

Your support team, you’re meant to help people not have negative attitudes towards them. If i hadn't of left when I did, worse things probably would have been said on both sides.
 

My Language:

My point came across wrong and has been taken a bit out of context, you called us biased, I tell you first off, I don't give a fuck, plus that I don't give a fuck who it is breaking the rules, I think punishment should be brought. 

If I have took that the wrong way then I hold my hands up and apologize about that. 

 

[Azamai]

(Permission granted by Samuel Thompson)

I find it weird that you keep insisting that Tom was involved with the situation, as I already stated in my last comment. Tom said something once though the talk, to which he was asked to be silent. Reason for them being there, is that us Member Supports like to listen in on eachother, because we are human, we might learn something from eachother and most of the times we do. Tom was there to listen, and if I make a mistake he is allowed to clearify and/or correct me, which in this case he did none of. 

Let me walk you through the ordeal on Pope being allowed to stay. Tom and I was talking to Khaan about the issue, so we got a clear image on what was going on before you were asked in there. This is where Pope joined and I asked him to leave, since he should not be involved, to which he did. A minute later he joined in asking "Can I stay and listen as a Member Support, if I stay completely quiet and mute up?" to which I did not find a issue in, since as I said we member supports like listening to eachother deal with situations to improve and learn new things.

When you are in-game you can roleplay all you want, but when in the Support Channels, I don't want you to attempt to roleplay your way out of it. I told you it was metagame to use info given on Teamspeak to your advantage, to which you clearified that it was allowed because of the talk about the Huron on the forums the other day. I clearified why it was a different matter and why it did not account in this case, I even asked you for a name of the Officer to which you stated "I don't want to tell you, because he would be thrown out the Police". If you want to Roleplay, do it on the server, not while we are dealing with a issue.

To your friends not being allowed to join, one of them joined support when we started and told me to move him in, because he was involved. At the time the video was clear proof of a rule break and more people, would not make my job easier so I told him there was no need for it, to which he then asked me to move him in so he could discuss a issue with Khaan. Your friend was asked to seek another member of support about his complaint since we were dealing with another issue (The metagame). In no cases will we move people in the room, which we feel has nothing valuable to add to the case at hand, and at the point I decided that your friend would not be helpful to the case of Metagaming.

When Khaan left I did not continue saying "It is metagame!" over and over, I asked you a simple question since it was clear to me, you did not think what happened was metagame(You kept saying it was exactly the same as the huron thing, that I explained a few time it was not), to which it is my duty to teach you otherwise. When I asked you, you decided to leave and without a proper answer to the question at hand. I moved you back to make sure you understood the problem at hand, to which you left.

In no way did I show a negative attitude towards you, I however showed a great deal of annoyance when you kept trying to undermine my opinion on the matter. Though this whole situation, I explained carefully why what happened was wrong, to which you would go on as a old record saying that the Huron and the Officer was the same over and over. This caused me having to explain again and Khaan left for this reason, so this is when I asked you to tell me the Metagame rules exactly so we could start from the bottom and work our way up to why it was wrong.

This is my last reply on the matter. I have nothing more to say on it.

 

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@Badmansalv do you understand where member support are coming from here? Have you learned anything from this?

 

[SALV]

Yes I understand where he is coming from. 

Getting triggered isn't going to sort the situation out just make it worse. Next time I will keep calm and try my best to resolve it on TS instead of it coming on here.

 

[Crumble]

Excellent. Unban approved

Not at my pc right now so Awaiting action