To the Greenzone you fools!

[Darthvade]

Very straight forward: Can chasing be considered a initiation? 

I had two situations who have been really frustating and led me to asking this.

1- I was chasing a hatchback ( 4 km's), i made him notice i wanted him to stop, i even tried to block him. I didn't say anything, just chased him. He went straight to a greenzone and said " You didn't say a word. You didn't initiate on me. As such i'm safe now". It made sense to me so i left.

2- I was with my hemmet box, a hellcat began to chase me and tried to land multiple times in front of me. I just kept going, until i stopped  seeing the hellcat and got into a greenzone. I was immediatly accused of breaking rules and had to compensate the player in question ( asked for an admin answer, got no response).

I have asked multiple players about this and all seem to have different perspectives.

The rules state:

[SIZE=medium](2.6) Combat storing, such as storing a vehicle whilst you are being chased or to prevent roleplay will result in a ban.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium](6.1.6) You must not exploit the green zone to avoid ongoing hostile roleplay. Retreating into a green zone is forbidden.[/SIZE]
 

As far as i understand, any RP must be initiated. And that initiation must be done using voice channels and high quality RP. Can a hellcat trying to land on front/on the route i'm taking, considered initiaton? If someone never tells you to stop or say anything threatening to you ( just chases you) blocks you from going into a greenzone?

Roleplay is an amazing experience. We are always learning 

 

[L1L]

IMO the question here isnt initation persé but rather initation of roleplay on both ends. Yes one could argue that you are "avoiding" RP but then again why would you not protect yourself by any means necessary? its abit silly but you've done nothing wrong by fleeing into a green zone, if anything the people trying to stop you should have tried harder.

 

[Darthvade]

IMO the question here isnt initation persé but rather initation of roleplay on both ends. Yes one could argue that you are "avoiding" RP but then again why would you not protect yourself by any means necessary? its abit silly but you've done nothing wrong by fleeing into a green zone, if anything the people trying to stop you should have tried harder.

I feel the same way. Otherwise, i could just go around with a chopper, following someone, until they eventually get into the greenzone and then ask for a compensation.

But TBH, in what sense are you avoiding RP? Because even the rules state "ongoing hostile roleplay". If there is a player following you, how do you even know if he is hostile? Is it considered hostile if it flies or drives close to you? That's why i'm confused.

You cannot shoot someone from far away without initiation. You cannot rob someone without high quality RP. But you can initiate a robbery RP with a chopper without saying a word? This doesn't make sense at all.

I will honestly wait for an Admin response to be certain. I already paid compensation once ( which i might have wrongly been accused). Still, i want to make sure i comply with the server rules.

 

[DJ]

if you've had a person chasing you for a large period of time to me that's hostile, its the same as if the cop was chasing you just obviously people don't have lights and sirens to alert you. if I follow you and activity try and slow you down and stop you to me that's just fleeing into a green zone to not get robbed.

 

[L1L]

if you've had a person chasing you for a large period of time to me that's hostile, its the same as if the cop was chasing you just obviously people don't have lights and sirens to alert you. if I follow you and activity try and slow you down and stop you to me that's just fleeing into a green zone to not get robbed.

i mean thats pretty obvious but hardly a rule break? @DJ Triton

 

[DJ]

i mean thats pretty obvious but hardly a rule break? @DJ Triton

Well the rule is

(6.1.6) You must not exploit the green zone to avoid ongoing hostile roleplay. Retreating into a green zone is forbidden.

so it kinda is? Your avoiding hostile roleplay by running back to the greenzone

 

[Cool]

If no initiation was made there was no situation and therefore it is alloowed. Usually the reply i have gotten from staff

 

[Darthvade]

if you've had a person chasing you for a large period of time to me that's hostile, its the same as if the cop was chasing you just obviously people don't have lights and sirens to alert you. if I follow you and activity try and slow you down and stop you to me that's just fleeing into a green zone to not get robbed.

I understand what you are saying but it is really arbitrary and open to be exploited.

That is, intent to rob is not the same as initiation to rob. Just because you are looking to rob someone and activily trying to initiate on them, it doesn't make it roleplay - as you failed to initiate. 

That is the reason why, during roadblocks, there is a forward player, near the road, shouting to incoming trucks " Stop or your tires will be shot". That is the reason the Qilin is so important, as it allows for a quick initiation. 

Otherwise, having a car in the middle of the road would be considered initiation of roleplay to every single truck that passes by. Just as having a chopper flying low near you would be considered a roleplay initiation. Since this is a "roleplay server" and not a "chase & rob server, it makes sense the obligation for a voice initiation. 

 

Well the rule is

(6.1.6) You must not exploit the green zone to avoid ongoing hostile roleplay. Retreating into a green zone is forbidden.

so it kinda is? Your avoiding hostile roleplay by running back to the greenzone

Again, it says " ongoing hostile roleplay". If you did not initiate a roleplay, there is no ongoing roleplay - for that matter, not even hostile.

I hope to hear from the staff about this. I don't seem to find any topics covering this on the forum. I help a lot of new players around the island and i want to make sure to share the right information to them about this.

 

 

[Haywire]

I would suggest retreating to a police station as that makes sense in RP. 

 

[Mahula]

(2.1) Vehicle Deathmatch (also known as VDM) - Using any vehicle as a weapon (e.g running people over, causing explosions including while sling loading, ramming, etc), will result in you receiving a ban. Three vehicles are excluded from this, MRAPS (Ifrits, Hunters and Striders) can ram other MRAPS in order to disable them, yet not to kill the passengers. This is allowed as these vehicles are the only vehicles ingame that can withstand being rammed. Please note that you need to initiate roleplay before attempting to ram an MRAP. (Please note - MRAPS don't need to be initiated on in the redzone) This is to prevent random ramming on site. (Three minutes of chasing also constitutes initiation of MRAP and MRAP ramming).

(1.7) As a roleplay game every situation is different and not everything can be detailed within these rules and so it is important to remember this is an adult community and some things simply come down to common sense. Things like the following; do not swear at people (out of roleplay), troll people, or bully people otherwise you will simply be banned from our servers.

I think the highlighted in 2.1 and the entirety of 1.7 best encompasses this. Granted the three minutes of chasing only applies to MRAPs, but if it's been made overtly obvious that someone is trying to forcibly stop you, then i reckon fleeing to a green zone could be seen as abusing it. You'd probably be better off running to a blue zone.