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[TI] Petersson logging of to keep his bounty.

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BratJaggesVlnd

BratJaggesVlnd

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Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name): [TI] Petersson
 
Time & Date this happened: 2015-04-22 around 2 AM
 
Which Server did this happen on: Server 1
 
Description of what happened: We put him in jail with a bounty of over 2 million, something he seemed very proud of. We then rushed to Athira because we suspected a break out. Sure enough, one is iniated, but stopped. I then say to my fellow police officers "I have a feeling hell logg off now to keep his bounty". And sure enough, he looses connection. I quickly check TS to see if his internet actually went down, but he is still in there. I then confront him with it, and he admits he logged off to keep his bounty and to get broken out of jail later. According to him, he spoke to alot of people who said that was okay to do.
 
What Rule Was Broken ?: Exploiting
 
Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?: Yes, he told me he'd serve his time when he logged back on. I said "Fine then, but ill check your bounty the next time you are on". And when i hecked it today, he still has it, running around in Kavala. 
  
Please post video evidence/screenshots here
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence, If your report is about RDM then it must be a video leading upto the RDM and after)


This is all translated from swedish, since i confronted him in our own language. I have the video of him "loosing connection" too if that is needed.



< 01:51:18 > " [TI ] Petersson " : I had Type 6 minutes left.
< 01:51:25 > " [TI ] Petersson " : Not hard to afka . Now I sit much longer
< 01:51:36 > " [TI ] Petersson " : it's just that I want to keep my bounty , not to save the reach of time.
< 01:52:10 > "Big " Brat "Johnson " : Exactly, what I mean. YOU combatloggade to maintain your bounty
< 01:52:12 > "Big " Brat "Johnson " : Fucking ugly
< 01:52:17 > " [TI ] Petersson ' : Combat log vettefan
< 01:52:26 > " [TI ] Petersson ' : d is no rule against logging out of jail
< 01:52:32 > "Big " Brat "Johnson " : Exploiting
< 01:52:42 > " [TI ] Petersson " : Naarah


 
I had all the intention to log back in later and complete my sentence. But was unable to do so because of a bug. 

I spoke with mctavish and explained this and asked if they wanted to rearrest me so I could serve my sentence. He said no its alright since its been an hour already. He also thanked me for reporting this to him.

There has always been the option to log ouf of jail if you GTG to work or sleep etc. But players are then forced to accept an extended sentence. which is what I planned to do.

Edit: That translation is awful and very hard to understand since it isnt swedish OR english. Feel free to ask if you wish me to translate it better. best regards

 
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If I need to provide any type of proof feel free to ask. although I dont know what ive got to prove.

Best regards, Petersson

 
You should have turned yourself in, to serve your sentence. Logging off to keep your bounty that you are so proud of is exploiting. I told you that if you served your time, I wouldn't report it. You did not, so now I am reporting it. The reason the translation is bad is because I straight up used google translate, didn't want to "contaminate evidence" by translating it myself. I believe it is sufficient that you said "the reason I logged off is to keep my bounty". THAT is exploiting. Logging off for something IRL is not. 

I don't think McTavish knew that the reason you logged off was to keep your bounty, not that you got kicked or that you had to go IRL.

Even if there was a bug where you couldn't serve your time, you should have given yourself up to serve it anyway.

If you don't understand that logging off with the intention to keep your bounty is exploiting, then i don't know how to explain it to you.

 
Doesn't this come under that rule that mentions common sense @Petersson ?

This is a roleplay server after all or do i need to type a rule for everything people think of ?.... im pretty sure i would be grey in a month.

Also want to warn you about your conduct, You came into a room the other night (GTA room) drunk with 3 admins in there and said the n word... yes you was drunk and i am not into arguing or dealing with drunk people (hence why you was moved)

 
Hey man!

I tried to serve the full sentence but was unable to so as I was logged into the spawn menu. As soon as I realised what had happened I immediatly spoke with mctavish to sort this out. When asking if he and the boys wanted me to turn myself in he said thats not necessary, You would have been out quite a while ago. (Not word for word) 

When the bug is fixed missunderstandings like this will not happen. So It's good that we found out.

If I spawned back in jail and had my boys break me out to keep my bounty would have been an eyebrow raiser but thats not what happened. But being exposed to a bug is not really my fault.

Also google translate was unable to translate that, So why post it? are you perhaps personally upset with me? If so I do not see why.

Admin feel free to ask me for video on this. Ill track it down if needed. Also recorded conversation Mctavish.

best regards, The cuddly Petersson

 
 “It takes very little to govern good people. Very little. And bad people cant be governed at all. Or if they could I never heard of it.”

 
Also wilco I appreciate you removing me from the TS room, I was certainly not fit for conversation nor gaming at that time.

If you wish me to complete the jail sentence I would be happy to turn myself in to jail. Which I would def have if I was asked by mctavish.

 
@Wilco What happened was that we were doing a jailbreak and after that I was gonna log off. But the jailbreak failed so I logged out in jail, With the intention of logging in back in jail the next day. As I had work the other day. I log back in later and find myself in the spawn menu.

Tried to sort it out with mctavish (which we did) also repoting the bug I found. What else could I have done?

Edit; Ive been told by many people that logging out in prison Is okay but that it will just increase the timer when logging back in, Which I was prepared to face.

Is this not allowed?

Also sorry for tagging you in the post. I forgot you dont like that.

Best regards, Petersson

 
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@Wilco What happened was that we were doing a jailbreak and after that I was gonna log off. But the jailbreak failed so I logged out in jail, With the intention of logging in back in jail the next day. As I had work the other day. I log back in later and find myself in the spawn menu.

Tried to sort it out with mctavish (which we did) also repoting the bug I found. What else could I have done?

Edit; Ive been told by many people that logging out in prison Is okay but that it will just increase the timer when logging back in, Which I was prepared to face.

Is this not allowed?

Also sorry for tagging you in the post. I forgot you dont like that.

Best regards, Petersson
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You are now changing the story. You clearly say you just logged off to keep your bounty. I even noticed, though you said you were going to bed, you logged on that very night again, when I was still on. Why tell me you were gonna serve your time, then go "resolve it" with someone who dont know all the info?

I gave you a more than fair chance to serve your time and get rid of the bounty, you failed to do so and didn't even get back to me, just hoping I'd have forgotten about it I assume?

< 01:51:36 > " [TI ] Petersson " : it's just that I want to keep my bounty , not to save the reach of time.

 
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Yea I spoke with mctavish instead.because I find you rude by closing the chat conversation in TS when I try to sort this out with you.

What about all the players in jail on many of the nights unexpected crashes? Are they getting reported aswell or just me? Since they kept their bounty.

Even If i at first had the intention to logg of and get breaken out. Once I asked around and found out it was considered exploiting I opted out of that idea and went to serve the full sentence.

No exploiting took place. Which is what this report on me is on.

While typing this the server crashed again. Which it also did the night in question, several times. Which is probably the reason for this bug to occur.

This clip is on a crash that happaned after I got spawned in my house upon logging in. Without the server problems this wouldnt have happened. 

For some reason my shadowplay only records when im tabbed in. So the video is just 4 sec.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ9S_gy-4I4

I do apologize for the first intent to log out and get breaken out, but as soon as I found out it could be considered exploiting I opted out of it. As i do my best to follow the rules 100%

I now know of this and will certainly never log out of jail to exploit in any way.

If I can stay the full sentence I will do it.

Thanks for taking your time to read my post and giving me a chance to explain myself.

It's in the hands of the admin/s. Hopefully Im given a chance. As I do enjoy the server ALOT :)

 
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Yea I spoke with mctavish instead.because I find you rude by closing the chat conversation in TS when I try to sort this out with you.

What about all the players in jail on many of the nights unexpected crashes? Are they getting reported aswell or just me? Since they kept their bounty.

Even If i at first had the intention to logg of and get breaken out. Once I asked around and found out it was considered exploiting I opted out of that idea and went to serve the full sentence.

No exploiting took place. Which is what this report on me is on.

While typing this the server crashed again. Which it also did the night in question, several times. Which is probably the reason for this bug to occur.

This clip is on a crash that happaned after I got spawned in my house upon logging in. Without the server problems this wouldnt have happened so how am i to blame?

For some reason my shadowplay only records when im tabbed in. So the video is just 4 sec.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ9S_gy-4I4
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You even admitted you logged off just to save your bounty. You then "resolve it" with an officer who don't even know what was going on. 

That's like me being accused of RDM, then instead of going to the player who accuses me of it, i go to someone else and talk to them about it, and then consider the matter closed.

< 01:51:36 > " [TI ] Petersson " : it's just that I want to keep my bounty , not to save the reach of time.

I just spoke to McTavish, and he confirmed he didn't know you purposefully logged off and just thought you experienced a bug with the jail. What you should have done is get back to ME, or told him the full story and INSISTED he'd send yuo back to jail.

The server crashes has nothing to do with you intentionally logging off to keep your bounty or you opting NOT to serve the time and keep the bounty, by not telling the full story nor resolving it with me, the guy who actually called you out and gave you a chance to amend yourself. At no point was I rude, and im sure that'll show in the TS logs. 

 
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BratJaggesVlnd said:
You even admitted you logged off just to save your bounty. You then "resolve it" with an officer who don't even know what was going on. 

That's like me being accused of RDM, then instead of going to the player who accuses me of it, i go to someone else and talk to them about it, and then consider the matter closed.

< 01:51:36 > " [TI ] Petersson " : it's just that I want to keep my bounty , not to save the reach of time.

I just spoke to McTavish, and he confirmed he didn't know you purposefully logged off and just thought you experienced a bug with the jail. What you should have done is get back to ME, or told him the full story and INSISTED he'd send yuo back to jail.

The server crashes has nothing to do with you intentionally logging off to keep your bounty or you opting NOT to serve the time and keep the bounty, by not telling the full story nor resolving it with me, the guy who actually called you out and gave you a chance to amend yourself. At no point was I rude, and im sure that'll show in the TS logs. 
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Yes the server crashes has nothing to do with logging out of jail. But Its the most possible reason that i was not returned to jail upon logging back in. Aka Bugged.

And yes that was what I first wanted to do. But what thats not what I did do after finding out It could be considered exploiting I opted out of it. As ive stated, I logged back in as soon as i could to serve the full sentence.

I thought it was allowed and was planning to do it.But found out it wasnt allowed and therefore didnt do it. (Thats a different story than actually going thrue with it)

And also when trying to sort this you replied with "THINK" and then closed the conversation. Which I found rude.

But thats not the point. You certainly are allowed to be rude if you wish.

Anyways this is up to the admins and ultimately wilco. Hopefully he will see my points and go easy on me. If not I guess this is goodbye, sadly.

Thanks!

 
End of the day, you did nothing to truly resolve the situation, didn't serve your time, and kept the bounty. To me, that is exploiting.

But yes, it is up to the admins, Sadly, you forced me to put this report up since I really, really tried resolving it with you. And when I posted "think about it", the report was already up and you had had plenty of time to either get sent back to jail or get back to me with the issue. Instead, I found you in Kavala just going about your day with an even higher bounty.

So ultimately, you didn't resolve it, went to someone else, didn't tell them the whole story and then just hoped i would do nothing.

And the mere fact you have been playing on the server for some time, and still didn't realise right away that doing this is an exploit, but had to ask around, makes me question how well you know the rules and how well you know roleplay.

But that is my personal opinion and im happy however this post turns out. A slap on the wrist or a ban, I couldn't care less. All I care about is stopping people from exploiting the game mechanics.

 
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End of the day, you did nothing to truly resolve the situation, didn't serve your time, and kept the bounty. To me, that is exploiting.

But yes, it is up to the admins, Sadly, you forced me to put this report up since I really, really tried resolving it with you. And when I posted "think about it", the report was already up and you had had plenty of time to either get sent back to jail or get back to me with the issue. Instead, I found you in Kavala just going about your day with an even higher bounty.

So ultimately, you didn't resolve it, went to someone else, didn't tell them the whole story and then just hoped i would do nothing.

And the mere fact you have been playing on the server for some time, and still didn't realise right away that doing this is an exploit, but had to ask around, makes me question how well you know the rules and how well you know roleplay.

But that is my personal opinion and im happy however this post turns out. A slap on the wrist or a ban, I couldn't care less. All I care about is stopping people from exploiting the game mechanics.
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To be fair the better roleplay would be to logg off in jail then stay away from the game for a day or two and then logg back in to serve your sentence. As being afk for 15 min in jail as most people do isnt necessarily a realistic prison term. Not that one or two days is. But its closer.

Edit: you are right on one point and that is I still have my bounty. Thats why when I come home from work Ill be sure to turn myself in as soon as I get on. As I'd do anything to improve my chances at staying on this wonderfull server and in this awesome community.

 
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If possible I would like to speak with Big Brat On TS along with an Admin on the 23rd or april after I get off work. If Big Brat doesnt have time just an admin would be fine.

Being a frequent visitor and donator I do hope you give me the chance to explain myself in TS, as misunderstandings are less possible on there.

Im off to bed, big day tomorrow.

Best regards, Petersson.

 
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