This is what consitutes as roleplay nowadays during a robbery?

[Flam3]

So, for a while now I have been steering clear of coming back onto the server due to how piss poor the roleplay can be when it comes to interacting with civilians, especially when it comes to robberies.

Now, I am not one to be easily bothered by getting robbed now and then, as long as there is a decent amount of roleplay involved that doesn't revolve around "Do this or you die", as you'd expect some good roleplay no matter the situation from a Serious Roleplay Community.

I have recorded a situation I was in not so long ago that really did bother me and just shows that most civilians that rob people are not interested in roleplay and just want to get the money/vehicle and run.

http://youtu.be/wsIHWUOQYHc

This brings me to something that has been on my mind for a while when it comes to civilians. Civilians currently have way too much freedom when it comes to interaction in terms of roleplay, especially when it comes to robbing others with minimal roleplay, if anything, I wouldn't say it's roleplay at all as you can see from the group in my video. It mainly consisted of "Do this or we kill you", they even mentioned that I would get my truck back after the server restarted if I just gave them the keys! Even when I tried to reason with them to at least get some form of roleplay that didn't end in them saying they'd shoot me, which of course ended up with my abrupt death at the end of the video anyway, which just proves my point further.

I personally would love to see a server that is whitelisted and each person wanting to ROLEPLAY on it are required to post an application to show how much they do want to roleplay, as well as their character name (An actual first and last name), a brief background story of their character (How they got to the island, what they are looking to achieve), and I'm sure there are plenty of other things that could be added to weed out those that want to roleplay and those that don't. I completely understand that this sort of thing would require a lot of attention and time from the admins, but I believe that if you are actually serious about a roleplay community, then you'd consider something like this.

Not only that, but there is no actual 'endgame' for roleplayers when they do end up amassing a fair amount of money. I have mentioned something like this in a past thread -

"And of course it's ultimately about the money, sure it makes the world go round, but again... it's supposed to be about the roleplay. And seeing how easy it is to make enough cash (i.e weed.. heck even a run of iron in a HEMMT) to kit yourself out with, let's face it, a weapon, it just turns into a the same... gather a couple hundred thousand - buy weapons - rob people - get into a shoot out - die - repeat. Not only that, but it's more the gangs that do the whole protection ring/robbery thing often and consider it good roleplay... but at the end of the day it's not going to be fun for those that expect to bump into some people now and then to have a chat about whatever, just to be robbed most of the time by the majority of people they meet and by the same generic way (don't move, drop your shit or I'll shoot... that kind of scenario). Sure, if you are a robber you are going to be having fun because it's what you like to do, but roleplay is supposed to be a fun interaction between both parties."

"Don't get me wrong here, I'm against how easy it is making cash (which is why I voted no on both regarding the poll, but at the end of the day, it will only end up encouraging more robberies rather than roleplay), heck I don't play on the server to make money, I play on the server to get some nice roleplay in that doesn't revolve around getting robbed regularly which is why for the most part I became a Medic. But at the same time, I'm against constant robberies/taxing being considered roleplay for the most part.

This is why I'm saying we need some sort of end game in which we can spend our money that encourages civil roleplay for those that want roleplay that isn't just robbery based. Like spending said money on a legitimate business that sells something that you can't currently buy in one of the stores that you can then set prices for to compete with others, things of that nature to encourage more civil roleplay."

I hope this gets some recognition, consideration and some serious thought from the majority of the community, and of course most of all, the staff.

 

[Lexi]

A whitelisted server (Server 3?) could be an interesting idea and certainly wouldn't detract from the idea of ALUK being freely available (SRV1 & 2 for hobos, 3 for whitelisters) and I am definitely pro this idea! 

I've mentioned before in the 1000+ view post that is yet to have any admin recognition) as currently the interest for most babbies is to grab a pistol and try to rob people (P.S. get yourself some AEGIS protection) with piss-poor roleplay that honestly I think should be reportable if it's REALLY BAD. 

I believe there should be a "legal" licence for some firearms that isn't the BH licence, meaning individuals can defend themselves but not be swamped by hobos or riff raff when going about their business. As for money-generation, see the linked thread for some ideas. For civil money-sinks, I honestly am not sure and would leave that to the community to generate some ideas... business property? Yachts? Land plots? Anything but more money-making stuff sounds good to me.  

 

[Spunky Bumlove]

If we end up with a White listed server, what will that make the other serves? Just a shit role play center which will attract zero new players to the community. In an ideal world, a white listed server would be brilliant, but It won't work out in the long run I don't think.

 

[PC Alex F]

To be honest these guys have more patience than most robbers.

 

[Iceboob]

Shit RP from your side tbh, you just spoke in a stupid voice and didnt seem to care that 3 men had guns pointed at your face.

I'd of given you the countdown way before 3 minutes. 

 

[Connall]

Shit RP from your side tbh, you just spoke in a stupid voice and didnt seem to care that 3 men had guns pointed at your face.

I'd of given you the countdown way before 3 minutes.

In all fairness he is RPing as a Mexican which is perfectly acceptable and when Flam3 was a medic before he had great RP and I believe he still does.

 

[Flam3]

If we end up with a White listed server, what will that make the other serves? Just a shit role play center which will attract zero new players to the community. In an ideal world, a white listed server would be brilliant, but It won't work out in the long run I don't think.

In my honest opinion, the current state of roleplay when it comes to civilians interaction with other civilians (someone that isn't whitelisted) is already a shit roleplay center, this community SAYS it is a Serious Roleplay Community, but the only serious roleplay I've seen is from WHITELISTED factions. 

Shit RP from your side tbh, you just spoke in a stupid voice and didnt seem to care that 3 men had guns pointed at your face.

I'd of given you the countdown way before 3 minutes. 

I'm sorry you don't like my stupid voice, but that's not relevant to this topic, if anything it's your only way of objecting to my opinion, saying you don't like my stupid voice, and is the only thing you have to say about my thread, really well done. Not to mention you have overlooked what the topic is really about. Since when does anyone care if people have guns pointed at them nowadays as that gives an excuse to just have a shootout, if anything someone else would have just tried to run away to take cover, then try to take out a gun and shoot instead of actually roleplaying. God forbid people actually try to roleplay their way out of being robbed and just comply because they keep threatening to kill you at every turn, if that's what is considered roleplay, then it's not far off of just being able to shoot the person and be done with it.

And the whole "countdown" thing before shooting is just an excuse to say you did "roleplay" and give "fair warning", that whole mentality, in my opinion, ruins the idea of roleplay for others on the server that actually want roleplay situations that doesn't constantly involve the same old 'Do this or I'll kill you' initiation. Again, this community boasts about being a Serious Roleplay Community, that should go for the interactions amoungst civilians as well, even when robbing someone.

My view on this is from someone that has purely been on the server to roleplay, I have not yet owned a firearm to even defend myself during my short time as a civilian, not to mention that before this all of my time has been spent being a Medic, that is why I came into this community for, I came to actually roleplay, as per the slogan of the community, Serious Roleplay. But it seems that civilians are an exception.

 

[Gurlanin]

A whitelisted server 3 would have to have a different set up. For example, it would need several dedicated police and NHS slots so that it could be properly looked after. In the same way, I think it would help that only certain members of the already whitelisted community (Police, NHS, UNMC) be allowed in, meaning that those who are still learning to RP don't spoil it for the rest of us.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Gurlanin]

EDIT: Double post. Please delete.

 

[Sovereign]

If we end up with a White listed server, what will that make the other serves? Just a shit role play center which will attract zero new players to the community. In an ideal world, a white listed server would be brilliant, but It won't work out in the long run I don't think.

This. The quality of the public servers would deteriorate. Additionally we have the folly of success as well. We are the biggest community in the UK and Europe,this attracts many people,including idiots and trolls.

In an ideal gaming community everyone would abide within the rules,be creative and have fun. This is ArmA III though a serious military simulation game that has trolls,because it is meant to be serious and we also get idiots,because of the success of ArmA II DayZ Mod and Standalone bringing death match type players who are used to having no rules.(Additionally there is a statistic that the majority of the +2 million DayZ owners are on average 15 years old.)

 

[Flam3]

This. The quality of the public servers would deteriorate. Additionally we have the folly of success as well. We are the biggest community in the UK and Europe,this attracts many people,including idiots and trolls.

In an ideal gaming community everyone would abide within the rules,be creative and have fun. This is ArmA III though a serious military simulation game that has trolls,because it is meant to be serious and we also get idiots,because of the success of ArmA II DayZ Mod and Standalone bringing death match type players who are used to having no rules.(Additionally there is a statistic that the majority of the +2 million DayZ owners are on average 15 years old.)

Thank you for the reply.

I understand that there will be trolls, and I don't fully expect a whitelisted server anytime soon, but I would like to see a crackdown on how much freedom civilians do have when it comes to what is deemed as roleplay by them and how they can get away with how poor it can be.

I would like to say this though, I have been in a DayZ community which is whitelist online that revolves around actual roleplay, and of course, robbing people or being bandits are the norm in it, but they are roleplayed out for the most part and it is still thriving.

 

[Sovereign]

Thank you for the reply.

I understand that there will be trolls, and I don't fully expect a whitelisted server anytime soon, but I would like to see a crackdown on how much freedom civilians do have when it comes to what is deemed as roleplay by them and how they can get away with how poor it can be.

I would like to say this though, I have been in a DayZ community which is whitelist online that revolves around actual roleplay, and of course, robbing people or being bandits are the norm in it, but they are roleplayed out for the most part and it is still thriving.

I agree full with piss poor roleplay leading to a kick or ban. An "I'm robbing you." followed by knocking someone out robbing them and running away. That is a gtfo poor form of RP. Anything similar I would still kick or ban. The issue is we can't see everything and people don't really report piss poor RP.

With DayZRP and DayZ END or similar. We both know DayZ RP based servers are a minority on DayZ mod. If we begin to talk about DayZ SA which I also did, there are no RP servers,due to it's alpha state.(There are private servers,but they do not have restrictions yet.) That being said it's a BIS game and therefore they are in the BIS community and the ruleless undisciplined DayZ death match types cause problems on life mod servers like ours. +2 million people cannot be ignored so I count them as a factor.

 

[Toshiro]

Yeah sucks I've enjoyed been robbed and killed/kidnapped before but now we getting players who care more for the money then the rp so thay say the standard thing just so thay don't get banned

 

[Flam3]

I agree full with piss poor roleplay leading to a kick or ban. An "I'm robbing you." followed by knocking someone out robbing them and running away. That is a gtfo poor form of RP. Anything similar I would still kick or ban. The issue is we can't see everything and people don't really report piss poor RP.

With DayZRP and DayZ END or similar. We both know DayZ RP based servers are a minority on DayZ mod. If we begin to talk about DayZ SA which I also did, there are no RP servers,due to it's alpha state.(There are private servers,but they do not have restrictions yet.) That being said it's a BIS game and therefore they are in the BIS community and the ruleless undisciplined DayZ death match types cause problems on life mod servers like ours. +2 million people cannot be ignored so I count them as a factor.

In future I will report such robberies if (when) I come across them. As I have Shadowplay I have no problems recording encounters like this and reporting if it will lead to better roleplay when it comes to robberies.

And with regards to DayZRP, I don't want to seem like a pain in the arse here (but I will anyway ), but DayZRP has actually moved to DayZ SA fully now and do not play on the mod anymore and has retained a vast majority of it's playerbase, whitelisting is now possible on DayZ SA I guess what I'm really hoping for is a form of trial run sometime of whitelisted ALUK.

 

[Edgar Ville]

The main problem I see against a whitelisted server is this;

Nobody in their right mind in the Police, NHS and UNMC (and of course the vast majority of the people, civs and gangs here for RP) will willingly choose the public "troll filled" public servers over the whitelisted one.
You think we police have a problem getting coverage over to server 2? Imagine how unwilling people will be to leave the whitelisted server.

Sad really, because i'd love a whitelist only server.

 

[kalohepirate]

Its the few good experiences were everyone is willing to RP and takes the time to do so makes us all come back for more.  I don't mind paying a vehicle tax to the PLF or a doing a sobriety test in Kavala but unfortunately those experiences are becoming far and few between and its very frustrating.  To be constantly threatened with a countdown  and be shot anyway starts to wear thin on me.  A white listed server would be a nice thing as described in the OP.  I do hope some serious thought is taken into this because a server full of bad RP is not my definition of quality.

 

[Dekkers]

I wouldn't be honest if I called myself a brilliant RP'er, but there are so many people that use TS and call for help that I want to do the robberies as quick as possible before trouble arrives.

Feel me?