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The 2017 General Election Thread!

Who will you be voting for in the 2017 UK General Election?


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With 8 days to go until the 2017 UK General Election, it's about time we opened up the floor to discussion!

Feel free to use this as the go-to place to ask questions and/or express your views on the upcoming election. Maybe you want to say who you are planing to vote for and why? Or maybe you are undecided. Only rule is, of course, keep it civil.

Have fun!

~Smith

I will of course be voting for SCISM

#MAGA Make Altis Great Again

 
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wtf no Flying Spaghetti Monsters?

(w8 is that a religion or a party)

ANYWAY...

Vote Conservatives!

 
I would love to vote for any party that intends to trash FPTP. But since they'd have no chance of winning any seats under FPTP...

 
I don't know what ideologies these parties follow, but I'd probably vote for a party that has socialism has an ideology.

 
i dont live in the uk but i realy hope britain gets its old roots back, a strong mighty nation!

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Voting Labour anyway,

I do not trust Theresa May or the Conservative Party to secure a good deal (I do not believe anyone will be able to get one). The Conservative Manifesto, not fully costed, and labels some really negative things for the future (cuts to social, health care, fox hunting, dementia tax etc). The major thing that urkels me the most about the Tory party is how Theresa May has labelled that the fate of the NHS lingers on getting a good deal from Brexit, which is like spelling the words shiter in your own stool.

 
I support Labour but I find that Corbyn is a twat, I feel he will screw this country more than the conservatives, so my vote lies with May's lot. 

 
Pretty much Labour.
Labour is not socialist tho.. Social-Democrats I'd call them. Or Socialism-light. Still beats conservatism by a long shot.. But in the end, we all live together in a SOCIETY. So, using common sense, I always vote SOCIAL. In my own country, that would be the Socialist Party. It seems the UK is lacking that, so I guess I'd vote labour.

But seriously tho, until you guys change this ridiculous FPTP system, it does not really matter to have elections with this many options. Only a handful of parties will make it to their seats. A very, very large portion of the electorate, possibly even a majority or at the very least a overwhelming minority, will NOT feel represented by their MP's anyways.. It is a ancient system that does no right to the times we live in and I honestly don't understand why, when given a chance, you did not revoke this twisted form of democracy...

 
Labour is not socialist tho.. Social-Democrats I'd call them. Or Socialism-light. Still beats conservatism by a long shot.. But in the end, we all live together in a SOCIETY. So, using common sense, I always vote SOCIAL. In my own country, that would be the Socialist Party. It seems the UK is lacking that, so I guess I'd vote labour.

But seriously tho, until you guys change this ridiculous FPTP system, it does not really matter to have elections with this many options. Only a handful of parties will make it to their seats. A very, very large portion of the electorate, possibly even a majority or at the very least a overwhelming minority, will NOT feel represented by their MP's anyways.. It is a ancient system that does no right to the times we live in and I honestly don't understand why, when given a chance, you did not revoke this twisted form of democracy...
Leaning socialist.

 
"You can't trust politicians, they say one thing then do another."
That right there, is a sentiment shared by many people. But it got me thinking, if you can't be sure what they'll do, what you can be sure of is what they've done, specifically their voting records from parliament.
So i had a look, and went to the effort of making a chart of a few key issues and how both Corbyn and May voted on those issues.
Now i don't know about you, but i'm damn sure which of these two i'd rather have making the decisions as PM.

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After reading through both these parties manifestos fully and looking through the expenditure plans of labour compared with the conservatives it makes me back labour 100%. 

Just some more of the things labour have promised:

  1. Scrap student tuition fees
  2. Lower the voting age to 16
  3. Re-introduce the 50p rate of tax on the highest earners (above £123,000)
  4. Income tax rate 45p on £80,000 and above
  5. More free childcare, expanding free provisions for two, three and four year olds
  6. Guarantee triple lock for pensioner incomes
  7. End to zero hour contracts
  8. Hire 10,000 new police officers, 3,000 new firefighters
  9. Moves to charge companies a levy on salaries above £330,000
  10. Raise minimum wage to "at least £10 per hour by 2020"
  11. Deliver safe staffing levels and reduce waiting lists
  12. End hospital car parking charges
  13. Reverse all NHS privatisation
  14. NHS will receive more than £30bn in extra funding over the next parliament
  15. Cuts to bereavement support payment will be scrapped, as will the bedroom tax
After looking at the expenditure as I said I support the methods they will use to gather the money for this.

The reason I also feel so strongly about this is because I don't come from a well off family really at all, and my family have and/or are suffering some of these situations right now. For example my father working as a hospital porter has recently been moved from working in the NHS where he is guaranteed a pension, and a set amount of hours over to a private company where he is loosing his pension and a zero hour contract, meaning he could not go to work for a week and we'd be screwed.

Alongside this my grandmother is suffering from the problems of being on a low pension, and is not getting that triple lock, nor free services that labour want to reintroduce in their time in parliament.

Then there's the education side of it, with labour wanting to introduce the National Education System this helps provide free education to all. Now at the moment my area is going to be suffering HUGE cuts to education funding (-£24,982,235) a year, which is 670 teachers who would loose their job in my area, this could lead to things like my sixth form being closed, or teaching assistants being made redundant...

Alongside this there is tuition fees to which my cousin is still suffering with the debt of, as I imagine many of the people on here are as well. I would love to not have to pay tuition fees and if they could implement this it would be brilliant, now as much as many of you say "they can't do it, it will never happen"to me personally it makes a lot more sense to vote for the party that are at least going to attempt it compared to the Torys who have stated they will be increasing university fees per year. 

For more information you are welcome to read the shortened version of the labour manifesto I made for a politics project: http://vote.shaynorman.com/

Now I'm certainly not saying that labour is flawless and that they are going to "Make the UK great again" all I'm saying is that, from a working family's point of view, it makes loads more sense for my family to vote labour where they are aiming to support us than to vote conservatives where they have announced policies that will make it harder for my family to get by.

 
I don't know what ideologies these parties follow, but I'd probably vote for a party that has socialism has an ideology.
very good mindset comrade

I ain't no brit but I guess i'd vote Labour with their new manifesto,looks like labour is taking a turn back to proper socialism after a period of crysis

 
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Didn't know RPUK was such a Communist cesspit. Disappointing, I suppose.

Libertarian here - Conservatives 100%. Theresa May is a strong and capable woman with a veteran hand in global politics, compared to the Socialist flimflam, IRA supporting Corbyn. 

It is basic economics, and under the Conservatives we have seen years of job growth, economic stability and heightened economic confidence. Old video, but so relevant. I have studied economics almost my entire life - this means nothing. Common sense means everything. In my own words.

Remember when the Treasury Cabinet, when leaving for the new Conservative Government, said that there was "No money" which the Conservative Government laughed at as they grabbed a hold of the recession and turned it around. 2008 wrecked our economy, we have seen stability and security since the Conservatives took power. 

I will absolutely agree Theresa May is questionable in her love for authority, and the fox hunting ban lift is also another policy to turn away voters, but from an economic standpoint? The Conservatives are, really, the only option. The Welfare State that Labour is so in love with absolutely decimated our economy in the 70s and again in the 2000s when Blair left office. By hiking taxes, funding social care and going on crazy spending sprees, they essentially ran the economy into the ground.

Furthermore, 

I don't know what ideologies these parties follow, but I'd probably vote for a party that has socialism has an ideology.


Honestly, this disgusts me. Here's a nice little note when Ted Cruz was asked to sign the Communist Manifesto.  Communism HAS been tried - in fact, it was such a failure that even the USSR decided against Communism, and instead chose for a washed down State Capitalism. Meanwhile, the People's Republic of China chose full state capitalism, and today is a global world economy. While I would wish for total capitalism, China's incorporation of pure capitalism combined with authority HAS worked. 

Before anyone calls me a 'rich Tory bastard that hates the poor' I WAS poor, I was homeless for 4 months only a few weeks ago. Yet I refused to go on welfare, refused to suck up taxpayers money like some lazy slob, put in the hard work, austerity and determination and today I sit back behind my desk in a rather nice house, working towards a political career. I know what it's like to be poor, I know what it's like to have nothing; let me tell you, the problem isn't the situation, 9/10 times it's the people. 

Whilst I was situated in homeless care in a Hostel, 9/10 people I saw abused the welfare system, refused to get a job and wanted total reliance on the Gov. It was intoxicating - I am lucky I pushed against it and fought for what I believed in. It is very easy to fall into the trap of believing in Socialism, and inevitably, it always ends in the total destruction of a person. 

 
lots of libcon fluff
Dear sir,don't call the community cesspit for not having same political agenda as you do.

Next time you want to advocate that Communism has been tried please do read The Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital beforehand as what's stated there heavily contradicts with any so called communist system tried so far.The only part of it i'll bother to state is Marx pointed out that Communism can only ever succeed in a capitalist and developed industrial society,not in rural Russia or Post Colonial nations of America/Africa/China.

Moreover NEP was called off after The Civil War ,it was only a temporary solution to post WW1 destruction of post-tsarist infrastructure and industry along complete collapse of agriculture.

 
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