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SGT Solgaard RDM

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Jimmyy

Jimmyy

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Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name): SGT Solgaard
 
Time & Date this happened: 19:40 PM 20/02/15
 
Which Server did this happen on: 1
 
Description of what happened: My NLR finished after I was killed during a bank job. I was heading over to assist my gang. Whilst I was driving there I had committed no crimes and was driving and had shown no sign that I was any danger to anyone. I saw that my car was being shot at so I made sure the police would have no reason to engage by putting my weapon in my bag. I then got out of my car and asked the officers not to shoot. (My shadow play doesn't like recording my own audio) I was issued no warning although possibly someone issued one after I was killed?
 
What Rule Was Broken ?: RDM
 
Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?: No
  
Please post video evidence/screenshots here
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence, If your report is about RDM then it must be a video leading upto the RDM and after)




 
Ok. So i tried shouting to you (It was obviously delayed since you could hear it after you died, but i shouted it before.) to get out of there and i, without thinking, shot at you. There were alot of guys with shootings around me, i i got hit a couple of times before that. We had seen several hatchbacks with people getting out and shooting at us. 

When i heard shots coming from one of my friends position i quickly went there, and i didn't even know that you died. 

I am extremely sorry for this since it was not intended at all, and i hope we can resolve this without a ban being issued.

If you want to please contact me on Teamspeak so we can talk about it.

I believe we can agree that part of the "error" is Arma's fault, since my voice had such delay.

But i have given this server so much and spent so much time to be where i am now, so i really would like to solve this "peacefully"

 
1. You see a crashed hunter, smart move to aproach it, no?

2. Video is way to short

3. I can here in the video: "There is another one on the hills" "Where are you Jimmy?" "Just wait until they all get back in the heli and spray them down". I am sorry but you were involved in this. Not RDM from my PoV

4. "My NLR finished after I was killed during a bank job. I was heading over to assist my gang." Says enough, doesn't it? You were getting ready to get involved again.

This is not classed as RDM, yes you didn't do anything wrong. But how are the police susposed to know that? You are part of a gang that just robbed the bank, RP has been engaged already at the bank.(Gang members should  have informed you about this when your NLR was over) not Solgaards mistake.

Solgaard wanted me to do the talking for him because he has other things to deal with.

 
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You are part of a gang that just robbed the bank, RP has been engaged already at the bank.(Gang members should  have informed you about this when your NLR was over) not Solgaards mistake.

Solgaard wanted me to do the talking for him because he has other things to deal with.
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So this is then meta-gaming. It doesn't matter what people on my private radio are doing or whether or not my intentions were to get involved. I was not at the time, I should have been treated as someone without [MSF] in their name.

 
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Jimmyy said:
So this is then meta-gaming. It doesn't matter what people on my private radio are doing or whether or not my intentions were to get involved. I was not at the time, I should have been treated as someone without [MSF] in their name.
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In a bank OP where shots have been fired, you think that a police officer won't find it suspicious that a hatchback sport is following them? I would have done the exact same. He valued his life by ending a possible threat, IRL you don't go walking up to somebody when the bank is being robbed and ask: "Hey, I just wanna know. Are you involved, before I shoot you". It's the heat of the moment, your fault for being suspicious. Don't blame it on RDM just because Solgaard shot you first to prevent you from killing him.
 
puppy1004 said:
In a bank OP where shots have been fired, you think that a police officer won't find it suspicious that a hatchback sport is following them? I would have done the exact same. He valued his life by ending a possible threat, IRL you don't go walking up to somebody when the bank is being robbed and ask: "Hey, I just wanna know. Are you involved, before I shoot you". It's the heat of the moment, your fault for being suspicious. Don't blame it on RDM just because Solgaard shot you first to prevent you from killing him.
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1: This was no longer near the bank

2: I was unarmed as far as they were aware

3: It was in a town, not a remote field in the middle of nowhere 

 
Jimmyy said:
1: This was no longer near the bank

2: I was unarmed as far as they were aware

3: It was in a town, not a remote field in the middle of nowhere 
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I know it was a remote town, but we followed the robbers to there and a CSI and SGT got killed 2 minutes before you came there, there were alot of shit going on.

 
1. Fair enough

2. You are kinda missing the gun pointing out the window?

3. It's not really a high traffic area either? This could have led, Solgaard, to believe you were involved without metagaming.

I believe everybody had their say and that this thread should be locked. @Reverend @Edgar Ville

 
Okay puppy, I wasn't gonna comment as I'm kind off breaking the forum rules myself now.. But 1. You are NOT an admin, you are not in a position to make ANY kind off judgement here. 2. Only the reported and the reporter, and people with evidence should comment here. 3. You then request to LOCK a thread you have not started and frankly shouldn't be posting in?

Just remove this comment when you clean up the rest, I just couldn't hold it in.

 

 
@BratJaggesVlnd It is not Puppy's fault, I simply accepted his offer to help me out in this situation, because i have some IRL stuff i need to take care of at the moment. I don't have a problem with an admin deleting his comments, i just think it is nice to get some support, which i need at the time. 

So don't be mad at him please :)

 
You are missing the point. I was unarmed, police should not shoot an unarmed man without clear warnings issued, let alone with lethal's instead of rubbers (I understand you don't have the time to load in rubbers.) If I would have had a gun armed I would understand. I was no immediate threat to life and that should be respected regardless of the situation. Something that is being missed out is the fact that I was pelted with bullets whilst in my car. I did not make an effort to run as I was valuing my life by getting out of the car unarmed. With that I am ready for this to be locked. 

 
Jimmyy said:
You are missing the point. I was unarmed, police should not shoot an unarmed man without clear warnings issued, let alone with lethal's instead of rubbers (I understand you don't have the time to load in rubbers.) If I would have had a gun armed I would understand. I was no immediate threat to life and that should be respected regardless of the situation. Something that is being missed out is the fact that I was pelted with bullets whilst in my car. I did not make an effort to run as I was valuing my life by getting out of the car unarmed. With that I am ready for this to be locked. 
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I know you were unarmed, comms were not clear at all so i were stressed out, again also because officers were downed, we had a hunter to secure (actually 2) i had friends under fire. I simply cannot say sorry enough times.

 
Doesn't New Life Rule state that you are not aloud to seek revenge when you die. Plus your not even aloud to get involved with the incident. 

 
CreatorChris said:
Doesn't New Life Rule state that you are not aloud to seek revenge when you die. Plus your not even aloud to get involved with the incident. 
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Rule 6: The New Life Rule

A new life means that your character has lost all previous memories. It still is the character you play, i.e. it is still part of the rebels or cops and it still knows all his friends. Your character just forgets what was leading to that death. 

The only exception to this is your wanted level, In our latest release bounty levels are now persistent over deaths to enable long winded police chases and bounty hunter chases... without this we wont have police and bounty hunters tracking down the person and the person being on the run for weeks/days.

 
Example: Matt, John and Ben are rebels who try to rob the bank. During the shootout with the cops, Matt and Ben die, John get's arrested and spends some time in jail. When they all meet again, they all would roleplay the situation in a way that they all tried to get away, because they realized that they couldn't handle the situation. Matt and Ben got away, though John got caught. If the players want to have the deaths involved, they might tell stories of other rebels that died there, who were with them initially. 
 
6A) A new life starts, when
  • Your character has been killed by a cop
  • Your character has died in a RP situation.
  • Your character has been involved in an accident

6B) A new life does not start when
  • Your character has been the victim of RDM/VDM (Unless inside of the RedZone)
  • You disconnect (end of session)

6C) You are not allowed to seek revenge when you die!
 
6D) You are not allowed to return within 1000m of where you was killed within 15 minutes after you have been killed!
 
Revenge refers to the same person who killed you eg: Getting killed in a holdup and going straight back and killing them. You are allowed to get re-involved in the situation.
 
1: 15 minute time was up, my gang asked for backup.
2: Over 1 km away.
3: Don't post in reports if you are not involved or giving evidence.
 
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Jimmyy said:
Rule 6: The New Life Rule

A new life means that your character has lost all previous memories. It still is the character you play, i.e. it is still part of the rebels or cops and it still knows all his friends. Your character just forgets what was leading to that death. 

The only exception to this is your wanted level, In our latest release bounty levels are now persistent over deaths to enable long winded police chases and bounty hunter chases... without this we wont have police and bounty hunters tracking down the person and the person being on the run for weeks/days.

 
Example: Matt, John and Ben are rebels who try to rob the bank. During the shootout with the cops, Matt and Ben die, John get's arrested and spends some time in jail. When they all meet again, they all would roleplay the situation in a way that they all tried to get away, because they realized that they couldn't handle the situation. Matt and Ben got away, though John got caught. If the players want to have the deaths involved, they might tell stories of other rebels that died there, who were with them initially. 
 
6A) A new life starts, when
  • Your character has been killed by a cop
  • Your character has died in a RP situation.
  • Your character has been involved in an accident

6B) A new life does not start when
  • Your character has been the victim of RDM/VDM (Unless inside of the RedZone)
  • You disconnect (end of session)

6C) You are not allowed to seek revenge when you die!
 
6D) You are not allowed to return within 1000m of where you was killed within 15 minutes after you have been killed!
 
1: 15 minute time was up, my gang asked for backup.
2: Over 1 km away.
3: Don't post in reports if you are not involved or giving evidence.
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Look, i know you did not break NLR. So you know, im not here to break rules either, I have been here for almost 4 months and i am not going to throw it all away by breaking a rule. I know i killed you, and from your point of view it looked like there were no warning or no reason. Again. I acted in stress, i shouted but didn't have time for an answer since it was delayed by desync. 

 
I was at that scene, but I was dead before you turned up, but your video is misleading I would like you to not edit the video please so I can see what happened before that, as it is a rule to not edit videos

(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence, If your report is about RDM then it must be a video leading upto the RDM and after)

 
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