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Rule 12B vs Rule 5

Jax Mones

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The topic is RDM.

Yesterday a member of my group was banned for RDM'ing [T1]Crispy at the HM treasury, in the middle of a bank robbery.

The Background of why he was shot: As we started the bank robbery Crispy was helilifted off a hill near the bank while beeing armed, seeing as we did not want him there, as he was a threath to our robbery's success. He was droped off near our cop baiting ifrit, where he shot it said ifrit, and got one of our members killed by the poilice (not sure if he died to).

Regardless we dident care much about it, as the ifrit had completed its task.

We blew up the bank and started unloading the gold in to one of our HEMTTs, an unknown ammount of time later, Crispy arrived at the northern wall unarmed, where he then pulled a gun and made one of our members surrender, drop his gun and put his hands up. Within 1-2min Cripsy got shot in the back by a sniper.

Another T1 member arrived a few minutes later and allso ended up getting shot. At this point we werent letting any civs aproach our HEMTT loading crew.

During the next 20 or so min we held of several police assaults. During this time several civs drove past, many slowed down, but they all moved on and non left their cars.

But then a single red sports hatchback stops at the road completely, he waits there a bit, before pulling in next to the southern compound wall. We've seen this before.

And the very same person that did it, is back, with a rifle in his backpack (info from his report page)

appearing unarmed, just like last time. Sadly for him, we werent set on letting some civ who might have a gun holstered or in his backpack aproach us again, so we shot him dead the second he left his car.

5min and another figth with the police later, we evac with the gold, and Crispy posts his report for RDM.

tl;dr Crispy holds one of us up at the bank, dies. Comes back 20min later in the same setup and dies again before getting to pull his gun

That is the story from my perspective, as the pilot and spotter of the group.

                                                                                                                                  

So my question to you, dear reader, is:

1. RDM? NLR? RDM but comp? Does 12B trumph 5?

2. Should an unarmed civ be allowed to walk in to a bank robbery/firefight unharmed?

(not drive past, but activly park and walk in to it)

3. Is it not his own fault especially considering he'd died there before, doing the exact same thing he was doing again now?

Video from Cripsy's perspective: https://youtu.be/Sx_PsQwYTZs

 
Hmm, this is a very weird situation, why would anyone in their good mind go into an ongoing bank job, we as police officers don't even want to (well except the guys who can actually use a gun, like the people who's not me) 

And the NLR should definatetly be changed to also cover "Same situation" It's both unfair for rebels and cops (depending on who can get "fresh" backup from the group)

 
personally dont mind the reinforcement concept, its more that this person used the setup of arriving unarmed, so he could claim rdm if killed, but with the intention of pulling a gun when he knew where we were (like he did 20min before)

Some cops came back during this bank robbery, and it was great because it added challenge to the robbery, fighting the people who knew aproximatly where we were.

 
I tend to agree with what you are saying and the simple solution I feel would be to Modify NLR so that you can't return to the scene after being killed even after 15mins, the whole situation in your case and many others would have no problems.

 
I would say parking at a bank job is a stupid thing to do.

Is it rdm if combat is already engaged? I was under the impression that rdm was relaxed during treasury operations

Was he aware combat was still ongoing e.g. Were audible shots being fired at the time. Nlr would mean he doesn't know the bank is being robbed.

Did he value his life by walking into a bankjob

Same way you don't get banned for vdm because some idiot is walking down the middle of the street not the pavement

 
Our members ban appeal got denied, so everyone should run in to firefigths and submit RDM reports when you die, because aparantly thats how this server works! Have fun :)

Oh and dont listen to Mentors because aparantly their word dosent mean shit. (We got told anyone within 1km of the bank during a robbery was free game - unless in cars just casually driving around)

Was fun dealing with the few cops we did, to bad the there's a few hyper salty civs with RDM baiting strats that got in the way.

Freemans out.

 
Rules are being rewritten at the minute to make bank jobs crystal clear and like I said in the appeal all admin decisions are final.

I dont know where anyone got this 1000 mr rule from because its not written anywhere and its not in the new rules either.

 
Rules are being rewritten at the minute to make bank jobs crystal clear and like I said in the appeal all admin decisions are final.

I dont know where anyone got this 1000 mr rule from because its not written anywhere and its not in the new rules either.
i got told it was 1500 and i think there is a reference to it is stonemans guide 

 
Rules are being rewritten at the minute to make bank jobs crystal clear and like I said in the appeal all admin decisions are final.

I dont know where anyone got this 1000 mr rule from because its not written anywhere and its not in the new rules either.

Rule 6D states you are not allowed within 1KM of where you died. 

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I'm assuming this is the one you are referring to, I could be wrong.. In which case, please disregard my post.

 
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