Report a Player - Zoth, Thomas - Exploiting / RDM (Rejected)

[Woopie]

Your In-game name

Woopie

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Zoth, Thomas

Date of the incident

31/12/17

Time of the incident (GMT)

533

What best describes this incident ?

Glitcher

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

I would like to report Zoth for RDM + exploiting/glitching and Thomas only for exploiting/glitching.

RDM:

[Evidence] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVHNuqoORpo

You can see us arrive at the scene and get tracer rounds, I haven't been online for 3 months and before, there was a rule that I should've been given 2 minutes to comply before lethals could be used against me or my vehicle. I was in the doubt, am I going to land or not, with the rule in the back of my mind, as soon as Sous told me that the rule changed I made up my mind to not land but keep flying but unfortunatly some of us got shot out of the vehicle.

I looked up the rule afterwards and I saw that the rule changed to:

(3.8.2) As any other party: Warning shots must be issued with 3 tracer rounds past the front and rear of the aircraft. Enough time should be given to comply before taking action.

In that case, I felt that I was not given enough time to comply as you can see in the video.

Exploiting/Glitching:

Zoth and Thomas deliberately parked their HEMMT's inside the water near Neochori's boat NPC so people who would try to rob them couldn't lockpick their vehicles. Gooba managed to get revived after the RDM situation described above and got the police over there to get a couple of pictures to see who owned the vehicles.

[Evidence 1] https://imgur.com/a/35eJY
[Evidence 2] https://imgur.com/a/9NY8w

Evidence 1 shows Gooba as keyholder aswell, this is because Thomas has handed him the keys, and drove that HEMMT in the water aswell because he didn't want Gooba to steal it.

At the moment of writing this report Gooba went to bed and couldn't upload all footage because he has a bad internet connection. So there is way more video footage of the exploiting if these videos and screenshots are not sufficient enough.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVHNuqoORpo
https://imgur.com/a/35eJY
https://imgur.com/a/9NY8w
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Zoth]

I would like to address the RDM accusations but I'll have to make it brief for now as I am on my phone and at work.(Video of our POV and more explaining coming soon). Best said by Stoneman at somepont "This is a roleplay server where commen sense is required". You address the RDM situation claiming that you did not have addiquite time to leave the area after tracers where fired infront and behind your heli, back to my qoute in a real life scenario if somebody starts shooting at your helicopter the intial reaction should be or I think would be "let's get out of the area this guy is shooting at us" although it's not my place to judge or even attempt to understand what is going in your persepctive but it really doesn't matter because the fact of the matter is we shot tracers at you and THEN you proceeded to combat land or combat drop the extra inhabitants off the helicopter and THEN proceeded to fly off. My problem in this situation is that you claim that you did not have enough time to fly away althogh you can see that you are not flying away when tracers are initially fired and you are in the process of  landing , and then you pull the phrase "unfortunately some of us got shot out of the vehicle" now I will take responsibility of my actions. I continued to fire tracers and one of them hit a member of the helicopter in the head, not the intention of the bullets being fired. I think in a RP scenario that you would value your life and not to try to land when tracers are being fired at you, I would chalk the tracer up to desync, but you also mentioned that "Goomba managed to get revived" you failed to mention who owned up to the situation, who got a helicopter and stretchered you to the hospital and defibed you, I'm sure you will be surprised to hear that was me that revived you, and not because I wanted to, but because my tracer hit u while u we're about to combat drop and I took responsibility for that and revived you. Unfortunately for @lil hobo who also combat dropped (you can see that in the end of the video) and was rushing me while tying to rook bang me did not prevail and then proceeded to call us into TS. You also mention that you tried to solve it in TS. Thats a complete fallacy, as I recall we told you we were in one of the public rooms, you all joined in talking over each other claiming this and that then proceeded to tell us you were getting an admin without discussing anything.                                                                                                                                   My lunch break is up this will be all for now but more coming after work . I would like to schedule a time where we can talk about the situation in TS  with an admin if possible just to clear up any missconseptions and so we can actually resolve the situation. Unfortunately I wasn't recording the situation it's kind of petty that we all have to record our screens just to use it as leverage in an argument, but fortunately one of us was recording and can give a view of what happens from our perspective but not my own perspective that's all for now @whoopie and his gang please DM me a time it would work with you guys so we can talk about the situation rather than creating a thread soap opera.                                                                                       Happy new years to anybody reading this and have a safe night - Zoth 

 

[The Stud]

We are no longer wanting to resolve this situation considering we already spoke with you guys in ts. We jumped into ts and they thought what they did was okay so I asked them to come to support and as soon as I switched to support my buddy still in the channel informed me they started laughing that I wanted to go to support and resolve. We then proceeded to wait in support despite them not taking it seriously and waited for them in support but they never did show up.

 

[Zoth]

    First and foremost I would like to apologise  to any readers for the formatting, I am writing this from my phone and it's hard to judge when what the final outcome is going to look like on a desktop screen                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sous, im sorry to tell you but I believe you might be misinformed. Being able to play on RPUK is imprtant to me and take up most of the time im playing on the computer, and If I was not taking this seriously I would not of reply'd to the "Report A Player".  There might of been some laughs passed around after hearing the accusations you presented to us. I find the words "We are going to get an admin" all your buddies leave the room and hearing nothing else from you or any body that is involved  for the next 20 minuets is not trying to solve the situation.                                                                                                                                                                           I have already addressed the RDM accusation in my previous post. I could post the video the video of my friend watching me shoot tracers at your helicopter but I find it a waste of time be because your video already accurately shows you attempting to land AFTER the warning tracer shots are fired at your helicopter. So I will address the Exploiting assumptions.                                                                                                                                                                                   My friend Thomas explained the situation to the admin @Busterguy (sorry for putting you on the spot, and dragging you into this) As Thomas came back to me and reported that Busterguy said that you infact can lockpick the hemmt box underwater that you will drown if you don't have the proper wetsuit and rebreather etc. I prefer not to talk on people's behalf often because not everything is conveyed correctly or some stuff is missed if @Busterguy or a member of the staff, management or Dev team(s) shine some light on the situation on what you are able to do          - Zoth 

 

[Woopie]

I was the person in the channel, as soon as @sous left for the support room you guys bursted out laughing. Before he joined the support channel he did ask you guys to follow us to the support channel, which unfortunately no one of you guys did. In my opinion we clearly did our best to solve this on Teamspeak, and further more your friend Thomas drives happily another HEMMT truck into the water when we've already explained in Teamspeak that it is considered exploiting since you can't lockpick the vehicle or drive it out anymore if it's cabin is fully under water. So basicly that already says enough, we weren't taken seriously.

And honestly even if we did solve the RDM situation, I still would've posted the report for exploiting, since these things give you an unfair advantage over the situation.

I won't reply anymore to this topic unless the staff wants me to.

 

[Zoth]

Woopie, at this point I think your typing up whatever you think sounds good, at no point did you tell us to "follow us into the staff room" If you did we would of joined In. You state that you tried your best to solve it in teamspeak, personally if you really wanted to resolve the situation then you would not of shot down my request to talk about it in teamspeak in an earlier post.  In your "last post" you get into the topic of Thomas getting into his truck and diving into the ocean (pun intended) so that you cant get it, Thomas driving the truck further into the ocean is to destroy the truck, not to furthermore prevent you from stealing his diamonds, he already gave Whoopie the keys to the HEMMT and later decided to drive it into the ocean. Thomas wanted me to say "If he cant have the diamonds then nobody can" and he has the right to do that, at no point did Thomas go back and get the diamonds out of the HEMMT Box after the whole situation he just let them despawn, if you were vigerous enought you could of goten the proper diving gear and pick locked the HEMMT box. 

Im am still willing to stretch out the olive branch and talk about the situation in teamspeak, with a admin (as stated before) 

Personal Statement (What I think about the situation as a whole)

At this point this whole argument feels quite petty, after being friendly and trying to resolve the situation without having to make a whole soap opera thread they keep saying we are not interested to hear what we have to say in teamspeak then hit us back with that we are not willing to go into teamspeak with them. Honestly as sad as it is this just feels like They didnt like how the situation turned out for them so they call you into teamspeak for it. Concluding this fiasco one of them broke NLR, I do not have video proof that is why it is going in the personal statement and one of them started lock picking the HEMMT Box underwater Thomas Screen shotted it but aparently steam did not  save it somehow. If an uncut video came out from whoopie and lil hobo's crew I would imagine  that somehow one of them breaking NLR would not  make it into the video or one of his buddies lock picking the the HEMMT while it was underwater magically would not make it into it either                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        (As mentioned before this is just a personal statement on how I feel about the situation this does any weight in the argument)

 

[James_W12345]

@Zoth you say you are able to provide a video of your POV. 

please do so as this will clarify the situation for us to be able to make a decision.

 

[Zoth]

 Unfortunately the video of not my POV but my friends POV has become corrupted when I tried to put it into an editor I was not recording at the time. I do think the video that Woopie provided perfectly shows the Helicopter Attempting to land after initial tracers bullets were fired and did not try to get away until after the inhabitants of the helicopter combat dropped out of the helicopter, Me shooting the character in the video out of the was a mistake on my part and concluding that I stretched him to the hospital and defibrillator'd him

 

[James_W12345]

So the report is for glitching/combat storing the hemets in the water.

I would like to point out that the video does not show the hemets being driven into the water, nor does it show any chase, so I cant consider this combat storing from the evidence provided. If they had been involved in a chase and then purposely driven the trucks into the water to avoid being robbed/scrapped then that would be different, but the video doesnt show enough to be confident this happened so regarding that, nothing will be pursued.

Now regarding the heli landing/warning shots. The rule states that you must give the shots and "Enough time should be given to comply before taking action." now you can see from the video that there is some confusion around this, however I would like to point out that the shooting a heli which is on its descent then shooting before it has time to correct its course is rather abrupt. I think you know this, given your responses.

I will have to take your word that you realised this in game and claim you took him to the hospital. Therefore I will not be taking any action but hope that you think twice before you shoot in the future @Zoth, and think from the other player's point of view, not all players are good pilots for example.