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Report a player - Vagos // Cainey - GTA RP

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Your In-game Name: Anonymous Monkey

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: Vagos // Cainey

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 03/25/22

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 2200

What best describes this incident ?: Metagaming

Please (in detail) describe the incident: Last night, I'm sure as you know, there was a police evidence transport that was intercepted at a 24/7 shop. I began by using /passout 3 in a box at the powerplant waiting for them to turn up.

I was told over radio (Charlie) that the convoy was being shot up by some people in jesters at the 24/7 shop near popsdiner. I arrived in some shit Bobcat 4x4 car and searched a truck which had nothing in it.

I went and stole a police CTSFO Ducati and drove around on that for a little while. At this point, I said "thanks for the bike officer" which apparently Robz heard.

Whilst driving around I saw somebody lockpicking the second truck, after they finished lockpicking it, I searched it, grabbed stuff and left.

A screenshot was sent around a public channel in our discord server containing a screenshot of what I got from it. ()

After cainey saw this screenshot, he took this in-game and read the following out on radio: 

Before this was said, Vagos completely thought that it was hustlers there to steal things from the truck, this is proven by this clip: U (these clips were obtained by someone who was not on the server at the time, and I only found out about this after the situation)

After all of this, they claimed in teamspeak that Jason Barnes knew I was there and saw me searching the truck. He apparently said this after he was out of hospital.

1st off, they shouldn't have Voice ID'd me at all IMO. For all they know I was on one of my 3 other characters I've got.

They have no evidence that they gained any information from other means and still continued with the roleplay by turning up to Ballas Turf and shooting 3 of us for apparently "lying".

**Undoubtedly there will be a mass discussion here about this, but personally, I don't want anyone getting banned over this as I understand the mistakes that were made by Cainey however do not think that the roleplay they want to proceed with should happen as the information was clearly metagamed.**

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):

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This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 
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The first thing I'd like to point out is that there was really no need at all for the Ballas en masse to call out Vagos in OOC chat for "blatant metagaming" and "the worst metagaming I have ever seen" - The spam was totally uncalled for and it just paints us in a bad light without any facts what so ever. Its negative attention on us that was not warranted. A simple call to TS would have been a much better approach.

Also, I'm slightly confused by this report - We spent so long in Teamspeak with @Masonlistening in and we all left the call happy. We even re-iterated the question of are you sure there's nothing else you want to talk about and it was agreed it would all be handled in RP. You also mention you don't want anyone banned, What outcome are you looking for here?

As I said from my POV I was downed very early on right in front of the trucks outside of the Shop. I watched everyone coming and going and watched you search each truck. I didn't know who you were at this point but when you stole the bike both myself and Robz spoke in the car together and we knew it was you. We also knew the Singhs' were there among other groups. You stated that the only reason we knew Ballas were involved was because of OOC information Cainey shared after the situation.

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnjoyableSnappyLapwingKreygasm-7fpSojnqzbdZTHOR 

The stream timestamp of this clip is 1hr50mins which would put it around 9:50pm, logs will show I was down at this point already.

The clip shows Robz calling out what we explained to you on Teamspeak, We knew ballas were there and we watched you steal a bike and make a comment to the police. This clip is BEFORE anything was said by Cainey. I was downed for around 40 minutes and when I finally recovered in hospital (not sure if logs show this time) I called everyone to Vagos middle car park and I made the call to approach Ballas to question you about what happened. I had no idea about any information being shared. Yes other groups were there but we had 2 main RP reasons to press Ballas first, #1 we have a business arrangement and #2 We have leverage that we can use as we see fit against the Ballas should we feel you have stepped out of line. 

None of my actions described were influenced by any OOC information because I wasn't aware any had been shared in game given I was downed/In hospital. By the time I had recovered all Vagos were back in full colours around the Vagos turf area. 

As Cainey has explained both in DMs and in Teamspeak, he knows he messed up in game and the frustration of losing the transport got the better of him and he reeled off what you had taken. He accepts he might receive a ban for what happened and it is what it is.

I would advise that if your main concern is information being in the back of peoples minds, Don't post it for them to see in the first place and it will prevent any of this confusion.

 
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Jason Barnes said:
The first thing I'd like to point out is that there was really no need at all for the Ballas en masse to call out Vagos in OOC chat for "blatant metagaming" and "the worst metagaming I have ever seen" - The spam was totally uncalled for and it just paints us in a bad light without any facts what so ever. Its negative attention on us that was not warranted. A simple call to TS would have been a much better approach.
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I agree that what I said in OOC was not needed and was somewhat unnecessary, however isn't relevant to this specific report.

Jason Barnes said:
Also, I'm slightly confused by this report - We spent so long in Teamspeak with @Masonlistening in and we all left the call happy. We even re-iterated the question of are you sure there's nothing else you want to talk about and it was agreed it would all be handled in RP. You also mention you don't want anyone banned, What outcome are you looking for here?
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Indeed we did. I had no more questions at the time however I spoke to Cainey again on discord and it was reiterated that you guys were going to be continuing with this roleplay that, IMO shouldn't be continued due to the circumstances. My intention is see this situation from a staff POV as to whether roleplay from here should be continued.

Jason Barnes said:
As I said from my POV I was downed very early on right in front of the trucks outside of the Shop. I watched everyone coming and going and watched you search each truck. I didn't know who you were at this point but when you stole the bike both myself and Robz spoke in the car together and we knew it was you. We also knew the Singhs' were there among other groups. You stated that the only reason we knew Ballas were involved was because of OOC information Cainey shared after the situation.
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After this clip you have presented, I can see that Ballas were mentioned previously, that I hadn't seen as this was never sent to me before. Whilst I can see why you know we were there, where is the evidence that you saw us take anything? Whilst at turf you were very very adamant that I was 100% there without any real evidence IMO.

Jason Barnes said:
The clip shows Robz calling out what we explained to you on Teamspeak, We knew ballas were there and we watched you steal a bike and make a comment to the police. This clip is BEFORE anything was said by Cainey. I was downed for around 40 minutes and when I finally recovered in hospital (not sure if logs show this time) I called everyone to Vagos middle car park and I made the call to approach Ballas to question you about what happened. I had no idea about any information being shared. Yes other groups were there but we had 2 main RP reasons to press Ballas first, #1 we have a business arrangement and #2 We have leverage that we can use as we see fit against the Ballas should we feel you have stepped out of line. 
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This is fair enough, you approached us asking questions. My question would be why us first? And also Ed told you that he was in the helicopter, therefore you KNEW ballas were there in character now but have nothing to say that we took anything.

Jason Barnes said:
None of my actions described were influenced by any OOC information because I wasn't aware any had been shared in game given I was downed/In hospital. By the time I had recovered all Vagos were back in full colours around the Vagos turf area. 
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If this is true, then fair enough, that's fine. But I am yet to see any evidence to point towards this and until I do, I honestly think this is a cover up for the actions of other gang members.

Jason Barnes said:
As Cainey has explained both in DMs and in Teamspeak, he knows he messed up in game and the frustration of losing the transport got the better of him and he reeled off what you had taken. He accepts he might receive a ban for what happened and it is what it is.
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To this, I completely agree with you. It was a huge mistake but one that I wanted to resolve without reporting. However, from my POV here, with all evidence presented to me, it seems as though the only reason you turned up at Ballas was due to the OOC information that had been read out by Cainey over the radio. I get you could say you were going to Ballas first but in the back of everyone's mind they KNOW that I got the items and wouldn't have let that go.

Jason Barnes said:
I would advise that if your main concern is information being in the back of peoples minds, Don't post it for them to see in the first place and it will prevent any of this confusion.
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I completely agree, it was stupid for it to have been posted but either way shouldn't have been used in-game in the slightest.

Overall, I don't agree that I should have to deal with this in-game especially when it looks like the entire situation has been metagamed.

 
In Roleplay we don't need to provide evidence of what we saw because that is just not realistic. I'm also not going to lay dead on the floor spamming my Medal keybind to capture everything that happens. I rarely clip anything because I don't feel the need to and deal with things in Roleplay.
I am not going to clip people looting the trucks and I'm not going to clip myself laying in Hospital. Staff can confirm the time that I was shot and Killed and I'm pretty sure they can also see when I was revived. That alone will prove I was down the entire time. It was the discussion between Robz and Myself which ID'd you and I confirmed the same person that jumped on the bike had just been looting the trucks.

I already explained why we would approach Ballas first, we have the most RP story between the 2 groups. We know other groups who were there but without having relationships with them we aren't able to ID individual people. 

 
Jason Barnes said:
In Roleplay we don't need to provide evidence of what we saw because that is just not realistic. I'm also not going to lay dead on the floor spamming my Medal keybind to capture everything that happens. I rarely clip anything because I don't feel the need to and deal with things in Roleplay.
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I agree with you here, I also don't clip anything I don't feel that I need to. But with the circumstances that Cainey used this information in-game, I think you guys should see that a mistake on his end there and not continue trying to roleplay this out.

A huge mistake was made on YOUR GANGS end and from our POV is being used against us.

 
Jason Barnes said:
I was downed for around 40 minutes and when I finally recovered in hospital (not sure if logs show this time) I called everyone to Vagos middle car park and I made the call to approach Ballas to question you about what happened.
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When you said this earlier, you admitted to being in breach of G4.4. (Attatched)
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In specific, "Whilst you are downed you may not gather any new information to use once revived". You stated that whilst DOWNED you saw me do this. Following this rule, whether you saw me do it or not. The information within roleplay would be invalid.

 
I don't understand why you are trying to nit pick at everything to avoid Roleplay.

Just because you got caught out and Identified somewhere isn't anyone elses problem except your characters. Robz literally ID'd you without any input from me. The fact I saw you take stuff from the Trucks is a minor detail. You were still seen there by Robz at the scene of "our heist" and you were getting pressed for it no matter what. If me claiming to have seen you taking stuff from trucks while downed is that important feel free to report me separately for it. The point I have driven home in every reply is that nothing I did within Roleplay was influenced by any Metagame'd information which is the topic of this report.

 
My entire point here is not to avoid roleplay but to prevent roleplay that shouldn't have happened originally. All of your arguments here have been shut down, it's becoming more and more clear to me that this situation has been metagamed.

 
Anonymous Monkey said:
All of your arguments here have been shut down, it's becoming more and more clear to me that this situation has been metagamed.
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Except there is a nice crisp clip ID'ing you before any metagamed information was brought into the server.

 
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Evening gents.

Before making a decision, I got a question for @Jason Barnes. As we can hear in the evidence linked by Anonymous Monkey, a person named Cainey reads out EXACTLY what was found by a rival gang. Can you please enlighten me, as to how you obtained this information? If it was obtained via OOC means, then why did you decide to bring it into roleplay?

 
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As already stated previously Cainey got this information OOC from the Ballas directly and out of frustration filled everyone in on what they had got from the convoy after stealing it from under our noses. 
This is what we were in TeamSpeak for and the Ballas were happy with that resolution and apology from Cainey as he held his hands up to his mistake as shown in the first post where they don’t intend to want to have him banned for it. 
I believe the purpose of the report is that they want to stop Roleplay in its tracks as they believe it has been Metagamed to initiate said Roleplay. 
 

it’s worth noting as a side note we haven’t continued with this Roleplay story however OOC I am aware Ballas are continuing with the Roleplay this report is trying to prevent. 

 
Let's wrap this up then. Anonymous Monkey and @Jason Barnesthanks for taking the time to make the report and replying to it. For the future, and this is more aimed at Cainey than anyone else, frustrated or not, any information gained OOC shouldn't be brought IG. Once it has, it's difficult to tell people: "Forget what you've been told, it's out of city information", or something similar to that.

So, as a slap on the wrist, @Ben Cainewill be receiving a warning for metagaming, and if seen doing it again, further consequences will happen.

 
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