Report a Player - Unsure - Police Members Masked, can probably make out their voices & Outfit / Gun Combos? - VDM

[Ember_Arma3]

Your In-game name

Ember

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Unsure - Police Members Masked, can probably make out their voices & Outfit / Gun Combos?

Date of the incident

07/19/20

Time of the incident (GMT)

2030

What best describes this incident ?

VDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Altis Life

Please (in detail) describe the incident

I was in the Airport and drove over to the Airport Shop to look at the costs of Jets. I drove onto the Runway and then down to the Shop.
I then was approached by a Police Officer who told me to "Step out the Vehicle" whilst his partner drove into the back of me dealing 20 Damage, my engine wasn't even on.
I then get out the vehicle, I forgot that my Microphone was unplugged, I plug it in and ask him what he wanted. He said "I ask the questions here", I told him to calm down.
He said "I'd like to speak to you about Driving offroad, that is a scrappable offence.", I then asked him if this is something they can do in a Government Controlled Green-Zone.
Ultimately I then hopped back into the Vehicle, said "Have a great day" and drove off. I was then chased by a barrage of Police Vehicles, wrecklessly drifting around the Car Park of the Airport, narrowly missing me and sometimes clipping and hitting me.
You can see in the video that they do make attempts to reverse into me, nudge me and encourage me to crash, etc.
The situation finishes where a Hatchback is behind me, a Hatchback hits me and then the SUV drives directly into me causing the other Hatchback to flip, he then continues to drive forward and blows me up, killing me.
They then cheer with joy.
Around 30 seconds later, they all stand around me, I am revived and then my weapon is removed from me, I am subsequently let to go on with my day (Which makes me think why they engaged and chased me in the first place)

This isn't the first negative experience I've had with the Police in the last week or so, and I honestly don't think it will be the last. How do you expect smaller groups of players to play on the server when everything they do is shut down for the enjoyment of the Police Forceful.
As a Police Officer, you have responsibilities and duties, the gear these officers had make me believe they were of a Specialist or Advanced Unit, so they 100% should know better.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIuNN1rbMRs
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Maxim]

Hi Ember, I was the officer driving the white SUV during this particular situation, I'm sad you chose not to come to liaison and discuss your issue with us, I did offer but you seemed very reluctant to sort out any issues you had, the reason I took your weapon and let you go and didn't give you a ticket etc is because you said absolutely nothing to me after you were revived, since I was receiving no RP from you I let you go, because frankly where is the fun in pressing buttons and taking some money out of your bank account with no interaction whatsoever?

Onto your actual report subject, VDM.

(2.1) Vehicle Deathmatch (also known as VDM) - Using any vehicle as a weapon (e.g running people over, causing explosions including while sling loading, ramming, etc), will result in you receiving a ban. (This is the only relevant part of the rule)

At no point during this scenario did any officer use their vehicle as a weapon in an attempt to injure you, and any statement to the contrary is simply false, the only vehicle that you can even claim to have hit you recklessly in that scenario was the red hatchback sport which was a random rebel who turned up at the airport.

Onto your death/being downed, if you watch the video you see that both police vehicles along with yet another random rebel attempt to block you in after you crash into the redgull sporty, I will admit I came a little too fast which resulted in our cars bouncing off each other however the SUV has atrocious brakes so there wasn't much I could've done at that point however i apologise for that. Again referencing your video, you'll see that the only reason you were downed is because of the redgull sporty attempting to drive in front of your vehicle at the same time that I do, causing the sporty to jump into the air and land on top of your vehicle, it is fairly obvious that the deciding factor in you being downed was the sporty hence why it got yeeted over the terminal, injuring you in the process, this is not VDM and even if it was the fault it not ours but the person driving that redgull sporty, since it was their car hitting you that caused you to be downed. You did then start moaning about how you were in a greezone and how we're not allowed to arrest you in a greenzone, which you  left out of your video, but that's besides the point.

At the end of the day you were TPAC'd by 2 vehicles, but unfortunately the rebel decided to interfere with our maneuver which resulted in his car killing you, apologies for any inconvenience caused (which was minimal because you were revived within minutes and your car was repaired for you) you would've lost your gun either way whether you had been downed in this case or not since we had you blocked in. The "We got him" was because we had stopped you after a fun chase not because you were dead, don't assume.

@Conor Ajazuri

 

[Conor Ajazuri]

Hello, this report is kind of pointless you can clearly see that no one purposely was driving into you. At the end when you died you clearly could of stopped as the hatchback pulled in front of you to block u in. This was the police trying to block you in from escaping. the sporty ended up flipping as it and the SUV both tried to move forward to block you in (not vdm you).

Id also like to point out that when I originally approached you, you did not ask if you could be arrested in the GZ. you really said something along the lines of... 'You cant arrest me here im in the greenzone.... Press M and look at your map im in the greenzone' and also moaned that we cant arrest you in the greenzone once you had been downed.

From the police's point of view we was very much enjoying the police chase as we found it funny driving around in circles trying to catch you. Unfortunatley this is ARMA and cars are not the best, this was clearly a RTC (which we got your injuries treated for and not VDM) Id recommend that if you think that the driving skills shown by the officers was to below the acceptable standard (which it wasnt) then make a PPC instead although I doubt it would go very far.

 

[Ember_Arma3]

Hi Maxim, I would like to state that the reason why I did not respond to you directly after i was revived by the NHS was because i was explaining the situation that had unfolded to my "body camera" before i remembered how i had already stopped that recording.

Secondly, I think that your statement that "At no point during this scenario did any officer use their vehicle as a weapon in an attempt to injure you, and any statement to the contrary is simply false" is false within its self which i shall elaborate on in the points below:

1. The white police SUV (that you drove) :

During the video at 2m39s, the SUV spots my vehicle and then in turn directs itself towards me whilst accelerating leading to a head on collision that deals 18 points of health to my character.

At 3m37s, the white SUV is seen to slow down to round the corner (to avoid collision with the white barrier thingmebob), then he proceeds to accelerate extremely fast with no attempt at breaking resulting in a second head on collision with me, this time dealing 15 points of health to my character,

After that collision the SUV is bounced back an amount leaving space between it and my own vehicle, it then again bumps into me dealing between 4-3 points of health to my character (I am unable to decide what damage was caused by the redgull and what was dealt by the SUV but damage was definitely caused by both vehicles as both can clearly be seen bouncing off my car)

2. The black police hatchback sports (i am aware that there are two of them however i cannot tell the difference between them so i am going to pretend that they are the same car for the sake of simpleness) :

1m17s, not an attack but i think that it is amusing.

At 2m48s, the black police hatchback clearly realised that I was going to go behind him/her and so decided that instead of just accepting that he had failed to stop me, decided to reverse backwards into my vehicle, (i am aware that this didn't deal any damage to myself however, it is clear as day that there was an attempt at damaging my person)

At 3m26s, you can clearly watch as the Hatchback sped towards my car at a speed that if i did not swerve to avoid the incoming attack, could have very likely resulted in my character being dealt a high amount of damage that could have incapacitated my character

3. The redgull: 

I would first like to mention the fact that this car should not have even been involved in the "chase" in any way whatsoever, I believe this because if the driver is a civilian, then he/she did not initiate on myself and to my knowledge of zones (which isn't to great), the only people that are allowed to initiate in green zones are police if they intend to arrest somebody. And if the driver was a police officer, then they failed to make it clear that they were such as they were wearing what looks like a white/red polo shirt and white shorts (non-police attire) and they were driving an unmarked car without any indication that it was indeed undercover police e.g. sirens. This vehicle can be seen at 3m36s creating a space for me that i would not be able to fit my car through, and my car was going to fast to slow down in time not to collide dealing 14 points of health to my character.

4. The red sport hatchback:

i would first like to mention that if you are in fact telling the truth, then the car should not have been involved in the chase at all for the reasons above. However i believe that you are not telling the truth about how he is "a random rebel who turned up at the airport", for two reasons, first, before the start of the clip the red hatchback rems into by back whilst my engine is off dealing damage to me and the officer in black says that "we have you blocked in", the word "we" suggests that they are together. Secondly, at the start of the video, he can be spotted stood away from his car and talking to the police officers. The fact that he wasn't stood next to his car for a fast getaway in case of an attempt by the police to search or arrest him leads me to believe that he came with the police to the aviation shop (if I am in fact proven to be wrong about this then i do apologise for calling you a liar and i would also like to question the intelligence of the driver), 

You can clearly see when he uses his vehicle as a weapon, i'm not going to go through and pick out any particular moments.

In regards to you saying that you would have caught me and taken my gun:

Yeah, no. you had not blocked me for many reasons in which i will state now, 

Scenario 1: The redgull nor the red hatchback were not involved and i hadn't been damaged by the police - I would have driven off to the left, then carried on driving on full hp.

Scenario 2: The SUV didn't head on collision with me - I would have had enough space in front to weave past and driven off.

Scenario 3: I hadn't previously been damaged by the police leading to the possibility that i didn't die from the explosion - I would have driven to the left as the redgull is no longer there then carried on driving.

Scenario 4: The redgull doesn't blow up - I would either drive backwards as there wasn't a car behind be which you can see from the lack of a shadow, or i would have driven to the right over the barrier, still in the green zone, then kept on driving.

[After keeping on driving, as far as I am aware I could have without breaking any rules, driven across the border and entered a purple zone (which i am permitted to do as a car chase is not a firefight) where according to the rules, you cannot attempt to kill me and your lethal weapons must be holstered {this in my opinion should include tasers as they down, the equivalent to shooting someone with a bullet, and in real life tasers can and have killed people}]

I put it to you to come up with any way in which you would have caught me and taken my gun right then and there without any damage being dealt to me or the help of citizens that shouldn't have helped as they didn't initiate and they couldn't have as we were in a green zone.

{reason for edit was that i was informed by Yu Wong about some rules}

 

[Maxim]

I have messaged Ember asking to chat on TS because  I can't be bothered to type another 10 paragraphs on the forums. Will update.

 

[James Travers]

Alrighty then,

I've looked through the footage you have provided and can only pick out one person intentionally ramming you, with that being the unidentified rebel in the red hatchback sport.

The two elephants in the cage which I will address which you have specifically mentioned is the two head on collisions with the Police SUV. On the first occasion, the vehicle comes around the blackfish and as such would of had an obstructed view of where you were until the collision happened.

Secondly, when the SUV hits you from the front for a second time I am in no disagreement that if is poor driving, however I would not stretch it so far as to say it was intentional VDM to cause harm.

This can easily be summed up by it being a succession of driver errors and overall calamitous driving however, not quite being VDM with the exception being the Red hatchback sport. 

No action will be taken against any party involved including hatchback sport driver due to their identity being unknown.

Thank you for your report

 

[James Travers]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.