Report a Player - [UNMC] Eldarmagic, [UNMC] Da7k - RDM (Rejected)

[XtremeNugget]

Your In-game name

Xtrem

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

[UNMC] Eldarmagic, [UNMC] Da7k

Date of the incident

07/23/2017

Time of the incident (GMT)

1800

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 2

Please (in detail) describe the incident

After us minding our own business on the server, we see a message that someone is raiding our base, we use our CCTV to see that it's UNMC as we go there and prepare to defend our gang base.
We've received an ATC (with spelling mistakes stating "please or you'll be shutdown") and 20 seconds after the ATC we basically get sprayed down by 2 members (maybe more) from the UNMC from every direction and die instantly.
We've tried to resolve it and we came to the UNMC liason, in the liason basically we were told to fuck off and decided to make no other attempt to resolve again.
We've been getting a lot of "shit" from the UNMC lately, they've been raiding our base 6 times a week if not more. Their rudeness, their "baiting" and looking for a gunfight all the time has annoyed us as a whole and this is the last straw.
Here is the video for review.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

http://plays.tv/video/5974dc05a01dc23839/what-the-fuck
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Dark]

Alright firstly, I'd like to say that when they finally joined the room they were confronted by @Mortan, and then someone was told to leave the room as they were speaking to General Mortan in a bad manor. It then resulted with him being kicked from the room and he joined back and said that "We cannot resolve this now then" So they left the room I kindly messaged and asked them if i can go to the lobby and speak to them and they said to me that they do not want comp because of what Mortan said and they are annoyed with UNMC as a whole as they feel we are too powerful and we constantly target them. Which personally I think is pathetic, not resolving with me because of what another UNMC solider who was not involved said and was simply there to Moderate the room. 

Also about the whole situation, I firstly gave one Air message for the Hummingbird to leave Sytra otherwise it'll be fired upon. However at the time I did not know I made a typo was i was later confronted about, where in the message I said "Hummingbird in Sytra please or you'll be fired upon'' which was generally a mistake and I wouldnt purposely do that, seems it would just be a waste of time. After that message though, about 20-25 seconds. I just sent another message and Eldarkmagic said should i shoot and i believe a higher rank than me and Eldarkmagic said yes, and he started shooting. This was as a second Hummingbird with multiple armed men on the side was approaching and landing by the tower I then looked up and began to fire myself seems they could then fire back and I don't want to get killed. Then they all died. 

Also in the video the person who is flying the Helicopter opens up the message and see's that my message says "Please or you'll be fired upon". At that point if they was involved or not they would no theres a chance of them being shot and they are far enough to turn around and not come back but no they decide to land. I know my typo caused confusion but, they had enough time to see and respond to that message. Not to mention they said 'I would love to Rook bang Reece Smurf' How would they know Reece Smurf is there, or even if it is UNMC when approaching the area so they some how already know what is going on. Which i would like to point out. 

Another thing is they knew we were gonna shoot at them seems they said "They're going to shoot us", and another person says "No they can suck my dick" - so they knew from somewhere they knew they was going to get shot at. However I do understand the mistake in the AC could have made them think different, which i apologised and offered compensation for so.

I understand the typo in my the message caused a lot of confusion and it could have changed the whole situation. However I do not agree with them not wanting to resolve, as I would have been happy to give comp and so would Eldarkmagic but what another UNMC soldier said effected that. Not to mention when I joined the room some of your members said "I understand it was a honest mistake" and they said they don't care about what I did and even after I offer camp to pay for their gear they still take it to the forums.   I'm not someone who goes out to get people banned and I'd rather try and resolve things first, and the fact that they wouldnt resolve because of someone who wasn't involved actions just makes me believe that they do not like UNMC as a whole are that they would like to get us banned out of this situations as they even said in the room that they hate how powerful we are. It is clear they dislike us and we all have enemies in-game but i was polite and was aggressive in any way and kindly approached them and they said no because of Mortan. When Mortan was not even in the wrong he asked for one representative. 

(3.8.1) As Police or UNMC: 1 ATC message must be sent clearly indicating the target and stating intention to fire upon the helicopter followed by enough time to comply to said message. 

 

[Eldarkmagic]

1. You did not resolve it with me I came to ur lobby and was told right we are reporting you 

2. yes the ATC might have been miss spelt but clearly you still understand it saying "ahhh lets leave then " "No how about they suck my dick" "we are about to get shot down"

3.No where in the rules dose it say you must wait x amount of time instead saying "stating intention to fire upon the helicopter followed by enough time to comply to said message." I think 20+ seconds was enough there as of what you say in return of the message

 

[Malarkey]

We've tried to resolve it and we came to the UNMC liason, in the liason basically we were told to fuck off and decided to make no other attempt to

Don't lie, this is definantly not what happend. You were all sat in the loud and laughing. I then joined and said you do not need 7 people to resolve this situation. Then someone came with a smartass comment and made me angry and the guy was then followingly kicked with the message ''Fuck off'' No one else was told to ''Fuck off'' And was free to continue to resolve the situation. The guy that was kicked then joined again and after i told him that he shouldn't be here with his smartass attitude i kicked him again with the message ''Piss off'' 

I will go trough my files to see if my recording saved of this incident. As i'm not 100% sure if all the information i posted here is correct. @Alex Jackson Was present at the situation and mabye he could elaborate how he experienced it.

 

[XtremeNugget]

Lets make a few things clear here.

 

Alright firstly, I'd like to say that when they finally joined the room they were confronted by @Mortan, and then someone was told to leave the room as they were speaking to General Mortan in a bad manor. It then resulted with him being kicked from the room and he joined back and said that "We cannot resolve this now then" So they left the room I kindly messaged and asked them if i can go to the lobby and speak to them and they said to me that they do not want comp because of what Mortan said and they are annoyed with UNMC as a whole as they feel we are too powerful and we constantly target them. Which personally I think is pathetic, not resolving with me because of what another UNMC solider who was not involved said and was simply there to Moderate the room. 
 

We were met by Mortan, no one told him anything rude, just that he was the one yelling, he knows what was said.
Once I was kicked we stopped attempting to resolve as we were not respected in the first place, if you have a TS recording, do post it.
We didn't want comp due to the nature of the background with what has happened to UNMC from the beginning, it's not about the money it's about how UNMC are behaving and making us feel.

We never stated that the UNMC are too powerfull, please, refrain from boasting your own ego here, the only thing that we said is that the ATC is too good and is hard to fight against.

 

Also about the whole situation, I firstly gave one Air message for the Hummingbird to leave Sytra otherwise it'll be fired upon. However at the time I did not know I made a typo was i was later confronted about, where in the message I said "Hummingbird in Sytra please or you'll be fired upon'' which was generally a mistake and I wouldnt purposely do that, seems it would just be a waste of time. After that message though, about 20-25 seconds. I just sent another message and Eldarkmagic said should i shoot and i believe a higher rank than me and Eldarkmagic said yes, and he started shooting. This was as a second Hummingbird with multiple armed men on the side was approaching and landing by the tower I then looked up and began to fire myself seems they could then fire back and I don't want to get killed. Then they all died. 

You say a higher-ranking officer in the UNMC said shoot, then do tell me his name so I can add him to this post and question him about why did he said shoot and if he is not involved why would he say that ?


On top of that, you said a second humming bird was there, I was in the first hummingbird on the scene, and even if the ATC was clearly written with no mistakes you fired upon the second one aswell which wasn't in the first ATC message.


 

1. You did not resolve it with me I came to ur lobby and was told right we are reporting you 

2. yes the ATC might have been miss spelt but clearly you still understand it saying "ahhh lets leave then " "No how about they suck my dick" "we are about to get shot down"

3.No where in the rules dose it say you must wait x amount of time instead saying "stating intention to fire upon the helicopter followed by enough time to comply to said message." I think 20+ seconds was enough there as of what you say in return of the message

1. We came to your lobby, you even got a message by a staff member, you didnt come, and you should've been the one talking to us and not mortan.

3. (3.8.1)As Police or UNMC: 1 ATC message must be sent clearly indicating the target and stating intention to fire upon the helicopter followed by enough time to comply to said message.

 

 

[a d a m]

Everyone seems to think that the ATC that is read in the video was aimed at us ( the video is mine and not Xtrems ), there was already a Hummingbird in Syrta which Xtrem was in and the ATC was aimed him in that hummingbird. The person who says they can "suck my dick" was in the other heli that it was aimed at, them being shot down was perfectly valid. The second heli was shot at instantly with no obvious warning which is blatant RDM, we recieved no warning shots or an ATC and we werent given any chance to react.

 

[Eldarkmagic]

Everyone seems to think that the ATC that is read in the video was aimed at us ( the video is mine and not Xtrems ), there was already a Hummingbird in Syrta which Xtrem was in and the ATC was aimed him in that hummingbird. The person who says they can "suck my dick" was in the other heli that it was aimed at, them being shot down was perfectly valid. The second heli was shot at instantly with no obvious warning which is blatant RDM, we recieved no warning shots or an ATC and we werent given any chance to react.

Was you a humming bird flying over Syrta

 

[Dark]

We never stated that the UNMC are too powerfull, please, refrain from boasting your own ego here, the only thing that we said is that the ATC is too good and is hard to fight against.

If you wouldn't have left the room and been arrogant about resolving you would have heard your fellow gang members saying about us being too powerful and you not liking us because we target you in-game apparantly. However you wouldn't have known seems you left the room and locked yourself in a gang channel.

 

[a d a m]

Was you a humming bird flying over Syrta

No, we were flying to syrta

 

[Eldarkmagic]

No, we were flying to syrta

And died over Syrta

 

[Ziffy]

And died over Syrta

I was even told by Pvt. Kieron that the first ATC spelt incorrectly was not even directed at the chopper with the armed men on the sides as they were not in Syrta at the time of it, this just proves even more that you had absolutely no right to shoot them down.

 

[Kieron Orion]

i said the ATC was spelt incorrect

 

[Alex Jackson]

Considering I was in the liaison room, I'll give my input.

During the room in which the UNMC & the rebel gang came to liaise, an immediate issue broke out which was the sheer number of members of the gang in particular that had turned up. Mortan made a justified decision to ask only the rep or leader to remain (as to create an adequate number of members). One of the members kept rejoining after Mortan made his request so he was kicked with the message "fuck off". The user then continued to rejoin and eventually left. Mortan wasn't disrespectful and did not give abuse to any member in the channel, as he did ask the user to leave the channel to minimize the number of people talking over them, so the allegation made against Mortan is incorrect.

From the resolving side, the conclusion was made that the mistake was a typo from Da7k which left the rebels in the humming bird clueless as to whether they were to land or fly away. This resulted in the given case being brought up, discussed and an argument being made. It kept going back and forth in a circle and no progress was made and hurls of abuse were shouted. At the end, the decision was made that the gang weren't happy with compensation & wanted to take it further, well within their right to do so. Da7k apologized for his mistake and did make it was an honest mistake. The issue is that there was allegedly a second helicopter which was originally above Syrta before the heli in the video even arrived there. Which begs the question which humming bird was the ATC directed towards, or was it directed towards all hummingbirds without mentioning that it was a multi-targeting ATC announcement?

The situation could have been compensated for if the gang members had wished to have been, however they are well within their right to have taken it further. I hope my input gives a clearer insight as to what happened in the room. 

TL;DR UNMC made a typo ATC resulting in confused rebels, in support gang didn't want compensation and so took it further well within their right to do so.

 

[XtremeNugget]

people talking over them, so the allegation made against Mortan is incorrect.

It's not that I do not believe you but it's not exactly how it came down. I told him that he is the one yelling as people were yelling from the UNMC and AMW, the request was made but was made in a rude manner which made me tell him "You're the one yelling" and then he became mad at me and kicked me off the channel. In my opinion I have no issue with what said, he thought he could make requests when he wasn't involved, with his attitude, wasn't having it.

Lets not take things out of context and not let the either was there disrespect or not shadow the real issue here.

P.S I appreciate your comment and response.

 

[Eldarkmagic]

Well after seeing all this it's just going around and around I'm going to sum up all of my points and leave it to staff 

I was not told to come to liaison instead messaging Adam do u want to talk he said yeah 1 min 10 mins later I message him again are we going to talk then he said again yeah just wait while talking to Alex Jackson I waited so long that I went and got my tea came back joined the amw lobby where I am told well I'm not going to resolve it and report you so me and dark leave then ziffy and solider something join liaison and talk it out basically saying something correct me if I'm wrong but something like we are sorry that there was a type but we think it was fine overall though as the video shows you understand the atc and a general chat then report is put up

I believe this is fine as I had a visual on the hummingbird with 4 guys on thinking that was the hummingbird other unmc memebers was talking about turns out there was two hummingbirds after 20-30 seconds after being sent you go down to land despite the warning and I open fire with you guys in the video seem like you knew completely what the ATC ment 

As for the baiting bit we get board of our checkpoint and cops from time to time so we protect hobos and do fun stuff like raiding bases taking UNMC weapons unfortunately it was empty however at least one of your guys had a spar 16s and also we don't just target you we go for any base 

Finally I think that this is a little bit because we raided ur gang base and no one likes to lose with you complaining as every time we do you usually put something in side chat like haha have fun robbing our gang base UNMC making me think that you want to report us for a possible rule break and no liaison 

Saying something about positions in side etc. is against the rules so I think you should stop doing that for any admin wanting to talk about the side chat thing message me on the forums or Ts 

I will not be replying to anything else unless questioned by staff about something 

 

[XtremeNugget]

I believe this is fine as I had a visual on the hummingbird with 4 guys on thinking that was the hummingbird other unmc memebers was talking about turns out there was two hummingbirds after 20-30 seconds after being sent you go down to land despite the warning and I open fire with you guys in the video seem like you knew completely what the ATC ment 

This will be my last reply before staff requires me to answer/provide more things or information.

So you're saying it's perfectly fine to send a vague ATC message to 1 hummingbird which wasn't even clear, it was rushed up due to you being afraid we would land and actually protect our gang base, on top of that you say because you had visual on another hummingbird so it's fine to shoot, basically stating that an ATC lets you KOS any heli in the air near a specific area ?

 

As fr the baiting bit we get board of our checkpoint and cops from time to time so we protect hobos and do fun stuff like raiding bases taking UNMC weapons unfortunately it was empty however at least one of your guys had a spar 16s and also we don't just target you we go for any base 

Finally I think that this is a little bit because we raided ur gang base and no one likes to lose with you complaining as every time we do you usually put something in side chat like haha have fun robbing our gang base UNMC making me think that you want to report us for a possible rule break and no liaison 

First point: For the past, 2-3 weeks, UNMC has been raiding our base constantly, about 6 times a week if not more, each time ending in a gunfight, proves something to us as a whole about every situation with you that comes with disrespect, the usual chat-crap from UNMC people who think they are better than anyone on the island, which isn't only in RP but on TeamSpeak aswell, constant rudeness, bad manners and behavior.


This is not because the raiding of our base, as i pointed out, this has been constant. We don't keep anything there, we both know you do it for the gunfight.

I don't want to report anyone, ask anyone I ever dealt with. With this constant "shit" from the UNMC as a whole is beyond anything else, so little can someone take before popping, UNMC are always somehow meddling in our afairs on  the island, wheter its RBA, HM, what not, always ending up with some shady shit. And when we're not happy because we feel like you guys broke rules and call to liason, 9/10 times we are met with rudeness, not wanting to resolve and also, not everything can be fixed with comp, money isn't all in this game, if I feel like you been as a lot been doing a lot of shady rule breaks I used my power to report this, as I am allowed.

A side point; Please don't tell me it's for fun, to be honest, when you started raiding our base, you raided 2 of the fellow members houses at the same time whom were online, clear attack on us and not for "fun" because you were "bored" I don't even know how you found out it was theirs in the first place.
Also, connecting to server 2 and after about 5 minutes you're at our base raiding it, does seem like it's planned by someone who i shall not name who probably has something against us from the UNMC. 


I'm going to the army today, excuse any delays for any comment to the admins or evidence. will be viewing this on my phone

 

[LONG BEARD]

The issue regarding the typo is a non issue as far as I'm concerned. Anyone with a shred of common sense would be able to spot that that's a typo and comprehend the full implications of that message. 

Secondly, there's a lot of accusations flying around here about metagaming, baiting etc. If you're going to make such accusations, gather evidence and present it to staff / forum report. Lets restrict discussion here to the RDM incident.

Now on to that. So from what I understand there were two Hummingbids in / over Syrta at the time yet there seems to be confusion as to which hummingbird the ATC was directed at or at least, the occupants of the second hummingbird are convinced it wasn't directed towards them.

I'm going to suggest, that if I'm in a hummingbird (any hummingbird) and I read an ATC that is directed to 'a' pilot of 'a' hummingbird, " leave or be shot down", and I'm in the area, I'm going to leave or risk being shotdown.  @XtremeNugget  What made you deem that threat irrelevant?

 

[XtremeNugget]

To point out, the perspective in the video is not mine, i am in the other heli in the video.

As rule 3.8.1 says - a clear message needs to be put out, a vague atc doesnt let you kos any heli in the area even if they are the same type. The atc was aimed at 1 heli. The other one didnt receive an atc, even if im in the area if an atc isnt directed at me i shouldn't feel threatened to be shutdown. Thats why that rule exists, to avoid such things.

To answer your question, when i read the atc i saw please which to me personally with the typo seemed like a request and less of a demand of "or else" therefore i continued tp try and land.

The main issue here that they have shot down a helicopter that was not involved and wanted to rush to shoot us and any threat that was visible to them. As far as i remember this is a roleplay server not team deathmatch.

To note; we had no initation from our part as we were landing so even if we would land, we had to speak to them and request to leave the area.

I hope this answeres your question longbeard

 

[LONG BEARD]

To answer your question, when i read the atc i saw please which to me personally with the typo seemed like a request and less of a demand of "or else" therefore i continued tp try and land.

As stated, the typo is a non issue, and I feel you're nit picking on this point to help strengthen your case.  "Hummingbird in Sytra : Please or you will be fired upon" despite the missing word 'leave'  is blatantly obvious. 'Or you will be fired upon' leaves no doubt that it's both a request and a demand. That said, I do accept that proper ATC protocol wasn't followed however I believe @Dark admitted he made a mistake, apologised and offered compensation.

You also don't need to quote me the rules and explain the reason for their existence. I am well aware of the rules and why they're in place.

What I am trying to ascertain here is whether there was a deliberate and malicious act of RDM. What I see is a series of errors and honest mistakes during a tense situation involving similar coloured hummingbirds in which guilt was admitted to, and compensation offered to the aggrieved parties.  I suggest you accept this offer as I don't feel any good will come out of this by dishing out bans for honest, albeit unfortunate, mistakes.

It also appears to me going by the comments I've read that this is more than just a report for RDM, as there seems to be a lot of bad blood between your gang and the UNMC. Perhaps this was the straw that broke the camel, however, as I've said, if there is evidence of other rule breaks over a period of time, present them to staff, don't make a report on two players for RDM, then throw all the other accusations about the entire faction into it.  

What I strongly suggest is that both parties get together in teamspeak with a member of the staff team and talk through these issues in an attempt to get them resolved.

Going forward, I would ask @Mortan and other UNMC leaders to hold training sessions on the correct ATC protocol and ensure it's followed.

Lastly Mortan, as someone attending the TS liason as a mediator, kicking someone from the room with 'Fuck Off' & 'Piss Off' falls very short of what I'd expect from you, and that sort of thing only throws fuel on an already wild fire. Please ensure that doesn't happen again!

@Alex Jackson Thank you for your input.

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