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Report a player - Unknown Cutlass - GTA RP

Ravi

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Location
The Block

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Marcus Shekel
Reported Players: Unknown Cutlass
Date: Jun 6, 2024
Time: 22:28
What best describes this incident: G1.2 Random Death Match (RDM).
Please (in detail) describe the incident: I will keep this as short and sweet as possible. I was stood on Mega Mall anticipating that Cutlass may push Grove turf. I receive a phone call from an unknown Cutlass member asking "are you still on Mega Mall you pussyhole?". Less than a second later I am shot dead. I am unable to identify which Cutlass member shot me so I hope logs can help.

I believe this to be a breech of G1.2 Random Death Match (RDM). The part of this rule I would like to highlight specifically is "high quality roleplay". Whist this was also random imo considering I had been on the server for around 5-10 minutes and the only other interaction I had with Cutlass was a phone call just before this. I wouldn't constitute a phone call as high quality roleplay enough to allow being shot on sight. The main issue lays with the complete lack of RP I was provided before being shot dead.
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Hey @Ravi - thank you for taking the time to make this report.

Few questions for you before I process this:
1 - Have you got a clip of events leading up to you climbing up onto the roof?
2 - What gave you the idea/impression that Cutlass were going to push Grove? Was there any roleplay prior that would indicate that was going to happen?

Thanks.
 
Hello Bonzi, thank you for the reply.

Unfortunately I don’t have any clipped from before this. I am trialling a new way to clip that is (supposed to be) more reliable than medal due to medal causing constant game crashes & corrupted files, but I’m having a few hiccups along the way while I learn which is to be expected when trying something new. I had been on the server around 5-10 minutes and I had driven from where I logged on (would rather not state here as it could be metagamed) to Mega Mall where I got on the roof.

The only thing that gave me the idea/impression that Cutlass may come to turf is their recent behaviour. We’re currently in a “beef” with Cutlass and they’ve been known to come to Grove Street when we’re not around & break into the safe house to take pictures. There was no roleplay with Cutlass prior to this except 1 phone call with an “Benz” I believe which also happened while I was on the roof of Mega Mall. I also posted a picture on tweedle (if that’s considered RP?), not sure if it’s relevant but I’d like to give all the facts.
 
Thank you for your replies @Ravi.

I'll be approving this report, as I do not believe you were provided with sufficient high-quality roleplay before you were downed. You weren't even given a chance to reply to the question on the phone before you were downed.

Report Approved:
Character(s): Ben Shmu
Rule(s) Broken: G1.2

Action: 1 Day Ban in line with FBS
 
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Hello @Ravi - apologizes for this, but after some internal discussion I'll be re-opening this report to allow the reported party to put their perspective across and provide some more context to the events leading up to your death. As this report is currently no longer approved, the above punishment has also been reverted for now.
 
Hello,
Thank you for reopening this report and allowing me to show my point of view. Ravi the way you have written this report is very misleading and misses a lot of context. You've basically said that " I receive a phone call from an unknown Cutlass member asking "are you still on Mega Mall, you pussyhole?". Less than a second later, I am shot dead." So to add some context, Ravi was baiting on tweedle, as Grove usually has been doing as we have been beefing for the past 2 weeks. I replied to one of his tweets, asking for him to send me his number. I then rang him, roleplaying with him, telling him I was going to come kill him and smoke him for what him and grove had done, to which he replied, pull up multiple times. I had told him that if I pulled up, I was smoking him for talking like that, and because of our ongoing feud, he then replied, pull up. I then went to grove turf with my guy, and I watched him run around like a headless chicken for a while. I then had the idea of telling my friend to call him so that he is distracted and drops his guard. I then took this chance to kill him. I don't believe anything about this was random, and he obviously knew I was coming from the phone call, the tweedle, and the way he was erratically running around Mega Mall. I believe our prior interactions have warranted enough roleplay. I have provided evidence of the tweets and the recording of the phone call. For some reason, my mic doesn't record what I say, but it is clear what is being said and the energy of this call.
 
Hi Benz, I'd like to break down your reply and respond accordingly as your reply (for me) is quite difficult to read. I am curious as to why you didn't reply sooner and waited for staff to action this report before wanting to reply?
Ravi was baiting on tweedle
Firstly, I will clear this up. I posted a picture on Tweedle, as I have already stated above. Clearly the idea of "baiting" has been misconstrued recently, and I wouldn't call this "baiting".

I then rang him, roleplaying with him, telling him I was going to come kill him and smoke him for what him and grove had done, to which he replied, pull up multiple times
Indeed. What else would you have liked me to say to your phone comments? You were immediately aggressive over the phone spewing out the usual Cutlass insults, I'm going to be defensive. I am roleplaying as a gang member. If you threaten me I'm going to defend myself?

I then had the idea of telling my friend to call him so that he is distracted and drops his guard. I then took this chance to kill him.
I would also again like to highlight what Bonzi stated above. I wasn't even given the chance to reply on the phone before I was shot down. The RP you provided WAS NOT HIGH QUALITY under any circumstances. I would almost compare it to gunning someone down because they said "Fuck (group)" - it's not very good RP in the slightest.

I don't believe anything about this was random, and he obviously knew I was coming from the phone call, the tweedle, and the way he was erratically running around Mega Mall.
Like I have highlighted above. The part of the rule I wanted to emphasize was the complete lack of high quality ROLEPLAY, I left it for staff to determine if it was random. Regardless of if I knew you were coming, even if the phone call hadn't have happened I would have still been where I was. And if you haven't noticed, everyone runs around on Mega Mall so that point just makes no sense? To say I knew you were coming from a phone call is silly, there have been multiple occasions where a Cutlass member has called a member of Grove saying they're going to come to our turf and then just don't? Cutlass members word cannot be taken for gospel.

I believe our prior interactions have warranted enough roleplay.
You are well within your right to have an opinion. I can assure you, that at no point has KOS been agreed between our groups. And I can also guarantee you that at no point has a conversation been had about whether our "beef" has progressed to the point that KOS is a natural thing to occur. I would not constitute a 30 second phone call as high quality roleplay at all. I find it quite coincidental that the clip of the phone call doesn't contain your mic audio, because imo, all the phone call contained was you throwing around the usual Cutlass threats which we're all bored of hearing, NOT quality roleplay.


The fact of the matter is. I was shot with MINIMAL RP, never mind high quality. Imo, a 30 second phone call does not warrant a KOS situation nor has this been agreed between our groups.
 
I am curious as to why you didn't reply sooner and waited for staff to action this report before wanting to reply?
As we are on the curious side I have a few questions for yourself about the report.

The call you show in the video happened after you being on the server for 25 minutes, Didn't you think it would of been important to add the prior two calls between Benz and yourself that happened 10 and 2 minutes prior to the call shown in the video for context?

Why wasn't this added and why was it made out that there was only one call made before being shot?

Need to understand that in reports we are a third party looking at all the information and context for said thing before we make a call. Trying to hide or not show parts of things that are relevant just pokes more holes into the story.

The part of the rule I wanted to emphasize was the complete lack of high quality ROLEPLAY, I left it for staff to determine if it was random. Regardless of if I knew you were coming,
This is where the danger now lays. You provided a small part of the full story and want us to decide based on that. Can you provide us the full story of what happened and we will re-review the report, This is why it was moved back as there was more too it.

In relation to the part you mention regardless if I knew you were coming, Both add different context again right? If you knew there was a threat based on actions how would it be "Random"?
 
As we are on the curious side I have a few questions for yourself about the report.
Hi Stuart, not a problem at all and thank you for your reply.

The call you show in the video happened after you being on the server for 25 minutes, Didn't you think it would of been important to add the prior two calls between Benz and yourself that happened 10 and 2 minutes prior to the call shown in the video for context?
I did mention the call prior in my reply to Bonzi. In response to his question of "what gave you the idea/impression that Cutlass were going to push Grove Was there any roleplay prior that would indicate that was going to happen?" I specifically mentioned "There was no roleplay with Cutlass prior to this except 1 phone call with a “Benz” I believe which also happened while I was on the roof of Mega Mall".

The very first call I received from Benz was the one in the clip he has provided. After that I called Benz to ask where he was and he immediately hung up without saying anything. I wouldn't consider either of these phone calls RP enough for KOS.

I didn't leave anything out nor did I try to make out there was only one call made. I very specifically mentioned that there was a phone call with Benz prior as I know it wasn't Benz that called me when I was shot.

This is where the danger now lays. You provided a small part of the full story and want us to decide based on that. Can you provide us the full story of what happened and we will re-review the report, This is why it was moved back as there was more too it.
The full story is exactly what I said. I had logged on at a location, I stayed there for around 5 minutes and then made my way to Grove Street. I stopped at Grove Gas for smoothies and then went straight to Mega Mall where I stayed for the rest of the time before being shot dead. I posted a picture on Tweedle once on Mega Mall to which Benz replied and asked for my number before calling me - this is the call seen in the clip. I don't remember how long exactly but some time after that call I called Benz and asked where he was. This is because quite often in recent times, a Cutlass member has called a Grove member and told them they are "coming to turf" but never show up. As I had been on Mega Mall for some time, I believed this to be the case again with Benz where he said all the usual Cutlass threats and then not turned up. Some time again after this I am called by a number I do not recognise. I answer and I'm immediately asked "are you still on Mega pussy" or something along those lines. Before I can answer I am shot dead.

In relation to the part you mention regardless if I knew you were coming, Both add different context again right? If you knew there was a threat based on actions how would it be "Random"?
Again, as highlighted in the initial report, the part of the rule I wanted to highlight was "high quality roleplay". I left it completely up to staff to decide if it was random. My main concern is that I received little to no roleplay what so ever, never mind high quality roleplay. I had no gun drawn, I was hoping there could be some RP considering it was clear I was stood on Mega Mall alone. There are multiple avenues that Benz could have taken in that situation. It seems that Benz was more concerned over shooting me first to take me to a dodgy doctor instead of roleplaying a situation out, it didn't need to end with any shots being fired.

If I was expecting a KOS situation, I would have had a gun drawn and ready to shoot when I knew they were at the lower Mega jump up and I would have taken my shots. Instead, I wanted some roleplay and I was shot dead with none. The rule specifically states "Attacking another player without engaging in any form of quality roleplay is considered RDM" which is why I put up this report. I was shot dead with no form of quality roleplay. The only "roleplay" I received was at most a 30 second phone call which I don't believe was high quality enough to warrant a KOS situation.

At no point has KOS been agreed between Grove and Cutlass nor has a conversation been had to discuss whether we are at a stage where KOS situations are to be expected.
 
Hello again - thank you for the further replies @Benzilini and @Ravi .

Hi Benz, I'd like to break down your reply and respond accordingly as your reply (for me) is quite difficult to read. I am curious as to why you didn't reply sooner and waited for staff to action this report before wanting to reply?

This is something that I'm at fault for. We leave reports open for a given length of time to allow others to report. In this case, @Benzilini was typing his reply up as I approved it. He then opened a ticket explaining the situation.

I believe our prior interactions have warranted enough roleplay.

To quote Stuart, context matters. Given the extra context provided by @Benzilini (and some extra digging that we've done...), I am confident in saying that this was not random. More roleplay could have been given, I will admit - but I believe there was some quality roleplay provided to yourself across Tweedle and several phone calls. Additionally, just because you've been incapacitated doesn't mean the roleplay has to end there. Hypothetically @Benzilini could grab your downed body, leading to a whole range of different RP avenues taking place.

Report Declined
 
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