Report a player - Unknown Ballas Member - GTA RP

[Cheddar]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Ben Raddish
Reported Players: Unknown Ballas Member
Date: Aug 17, 2024
Time: 21:40
What best describes this incident: Baiting
Please (in detail) describe the incident: Police were tied up at a bank robbery, and were holding a cordon whilst negotiations were continuing. A Balla's member then cycled past, and for seemingly no reason besides inciting a response, waved a revolver down the road. From all I could tell he wasn't aiming at or chasing anyone. He had been in the area before and was more than aware of the police presence right besides him.

"G1.3 - Taking deliberate actions to create a scenario where you get chased or engaged with, especially to cause a firefight. Examples: Robbing a service station with the intent of a gunfight, deliberately committing crimes in front of the police, swearing at a group of gang members."

I had no interest in liaising, partly as I was going to be in RP for a good while, and because I feel it was done in incredibly poor taste and a blatant manner. Not a whole lot to argue back and forth with, so will be keeping my response short to allow staff to focus on the details.
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[Dwayne Spike]

God damn , really ruined some roleplay here.

 

[Stuart]

God damn , really ruined some roleplay here.

Can't tell if you are being serious or simply taking the piss with this poor response. Care to explain your actions here or are we going to deal with the report as this comment for the reasoning behind what happened here?

 

[Dwayne Spike]

i dont mean to be funny but this is seriously petty. If police do what they usually do and show up at turfs unannounced with firearms in hand for no reason i wouldnt call it baiting. But i ride down the street no where near them , aiming at something else entirely and im baiting? Ridiculous.

 

[Stuart]

But i ride down the street no where near them , aiming at something else entirely and im baiting?

Whilst you do say it is "Ridiculous", Without defending yourself and providing your side we as staff would review the evidence provided to us and decide based on that. Now you have been reported with the video attached, I'm mainly trying to get your side of events for us to make a judgement call on this.

If you don't wish to give one that's fine and your right, However if there is more too it then I would suggest putting it here as you are claiming you we're aiming at something else? Want to expand?

As for if you are or aren't baiting this hasn't been determined anyway, My comments are to get the facts for whatever staff member wishes to deal with the report. All about fairness in all honesty.

 

[Dwayne Spike]

Session ID required and i dont see one provided.
i could have been asked to liaison to talk about it , but this was deemed 'too poor' and he didn't have the time.
I didnt involve myself in this situation , i didnt aim at them and wanted nothing from it. Just because i aim my gun doesn't deem it to be baiting. If firearms flash there guns at a gang turf does that deem it baiting?
Time and time again new reports go up for the stupidest reasons just to get people gone because of situations that have happened over the past few weeks and some ooc hatred.
Liaisons are there to sort shit like this out rather than being petty and reporting the smallest thing. No RP was stopped , you still had people around you talking about the hostage being leng.

 

[Stuart]

@Dwayne Spike I couldn't agree more that a liaison could of been had to of delt with this and in all fairness I'm slightly annoyed that no one reached out prior however best place to find out is here since we are all here, Also thank you for popping a bit more in than the first part. One thing I will say though is if you are reported then give your version if you wish too as we "Staff" are a third party looking in on the report and we would like all the facts before reaching any decision.

Now @Cheddar Since Dwayne has explained to myself about this I'd like a few things answered from you.

I had no interest in liaising,

I want this explained to why you cannot be bothered to discuss things before rushing to a report? This could of been sorted via a liaison and I'm sure Dwayne would of joined.

Aside from this want to share the missing context you haven't provided that is essential in us as staff knowing or should I?

 

[Cheddar]

@Stuart

I want this explained to why you cannot be bothered to discuss things before rushing to a report? This could of been sorted via a liaison and I'm sure Dwayne would of joined.

I honestly don't believe a liaison would have achieved much, I don't think there is much room for this to be a misunderstanding. In addition, I didn't have a session ID nor did I have any free time till long after the time shown in the clip.

Aside from this want to share the missing context you haven't provided that is essential in us as staff knowing or should I?

Attached is the full 5 minute clip I have.

 

[Stuart]

I honestly don't believe a liaison would have achieved much,

How so? As from me seeing this report and you simply didn't want to makes me wonder if you have even read our report a player guidelines. I'll post the top part for you that can be found on our wiki;

Indeed you also had no session heads shown so be another point since without Dwayne posting we wouldn't know anyway.

The thing I am going on about isn't the 5 minute video, However the tweets sent out from the Firearms tweedle account?

I'll reference a few. Dwayne mentioned he would kill police due to a tweet in relation to buying a gokart than a gun. Following that was a tweet to Dwayne from the firearms tweedle account saying "I'm sure you will Dwayne. However, That'd require you to hit the shots".

Whilst yes one could argue the tweets are funny, With that context I'd like you to explain what the issue is from the video you have provided?

 

[Cheddar]

I'll reference a few. Dwayne mentioned he would kill police due to a tweet in relation to buying a gokart than a gun. Following that was a tweet to Dwayne from the firearms tweedle account saying "I'm sure you will Dwayne. However, That'd require you to hit the shots".

I have seen these. I could see at a surface level how it could be a retaliation for those posts, but with the benefit of the clip provided I feel that isn't the case. He has hung around the boundaries of the cordon for some time, passed through it on occasion, and then cycled past and aimed a gun in a seemingly random direction. If this was some form of retaliatory action, I would've imagined a more direct action such as aiming the gun at us, making threats towards us, etc. Instead, this comes across as wanting a reaction and not a retaliatory step.

 

[Dwayne Spike]

I have seen these. I could see at a surface level how it could be a retaliation for those posts, but with the benefit of the clip provided I feel that isn't the case. He has hung around the boundaries of the cordon for some time, passed through it on occasion, and then cycled past and aimed a gun in a seemingly random direction. If this was some form of retaliatory action, I would've imagined a more direct action such as aiming the gun at us, making threats towards us, etc. Instead, this comes across as wanting a reaction and not a retaliatory step.

And if I aimed the gun at you , you would have claimed baiting anyway. Same thing would have happened and the only difference would have been me aiming the gun at you instead of me aiming elsewhere in your clip. But if you'd rather in future aim at yourself and say nothing no problem.

 

[Stuart]

He has hung around the boundaries of the cordon for some time, passed through it on occasion,

This would be a roleplay issue and police failing to keep a cordon though. If I walked through it and nothing happened in all fairness I would continue to as there are zero repercussions.

If this was some form of retaliatory action, I would've imagined a more direct action such as aiming the gun at us, making threats towards us, etc. Instead, this comes across as wanting a reaction and not a retaliatory step.

Depends how you look at it in a sense however the issue is that a gun was aimed at air for a moment right? Just so we are on the same page.

 

[Cheddar]

Depends how you look at it in a sense however the issue is that a gun was aimed at air for a moment right? Just so we are on the same page.

He had the gun aimed from the point I saw him, to the point he just passed by the edge of the cordon. To cut it short though, yes that's where my issue lies.

 

[Stuart]

He had the gun aimed from the point I saw him, to the point he just passed by the edge of the cordon. To cut it short though, yes that's where my issue lies.

Ok so from looking over the video most of it is roleplay related and the police failing to keep a cordon anyway, Not something staff will deal with as it's not a rule break for a player to not listen to police.

Now we have the gun being aimed. Would I call this baiting whilst knowing what has happened via tweedle? No I wouldn't. Do I think it's dumb to aim at air in front of the police? Yes.

Now the baiting rule overall would be to "Taking deliberate actions to create a scenario where you get chased or engaged with". As we know there was prior context in relation to Dwayne and the firearms tweedle account to where he himself said he will "Kill you all". That in itself could of been taken more serious in a sense, However it still remains it was dumb to be aiming the gun whilst cycling down the road.

Aside from this there have been multiple times recently Police and Ballas have been engaging each other, So I can't in all fairness believe this is baiting at all when there has been a good amount of roleplay as a whole between both groups anyway.

This in all fairness could of been delt with by talking to each other like adults over a player report. Disappointed you didn't wish to talk to another member of the community before rushing to a report but here we are. Lets hope moving forth there is more situational awareness happening as that seems to be the biggest issue overall.

Based on what I've outlined here I will be going ahead and denying the report and I hope you can understand why from the above. Hope everyone enjoys their late evening and rest of the week!

Denied.