Report a Player - [TW] Cleon, [TW] Mr.Bear, [TW] YoCo, [TW] Hontah - Other

[Abuk007]

Your In-game name

Cpt. Abuk (BA007)

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

[TW] Cleon, [TW] Mr.Bear, [TW] YoCo, [TW] Hontah

Date of the incident

04/28/2016

Time of the incident (GMT)

3

What best describes this incident ?

Other

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

As BA pilot I had a contract with my client (John Kowalski) to transfer private cargo for him from Ramsays Kitchen to Kavala. While I took off I've noticed an explosion, so i landed to check if anyone has survived or should I call a medic. Then a group of men landed with their littlebird, armed, poiting guns at me. They lockpicked BA helicopter and started stealing my clients cargo. After refusing to step away from the vehicle I said I can't allow them to do that and I need to continue with my contract. They destroyed my vehicles rotors and kept stealing stuff, also threatening my life and calling me "fucking little cunt, fucking shit".

After they unloaded all cargo to a truck and started driving away I did exit the craft and fired warning shots to stop them from running away with contracted cargo (I wasnt aiming at anyone and didnt hit anyone), as I was awaiting police to investigate this. Immediately they started firing at me and killed me.

According to server rules:
(2.15) British Airways are a whitelisted Role play faction, Therefore stealing BA helicopters or killing BA personnel will result in a ban (If you wish to Role play a hijacking please seek admin approval)

Also, from what I heard from Police officers - lockpicking/stealing from BA vehicle is not allowed and any sort of hijacking needs to be approved by admin.

This means that listed players did:
Lockpick/hijack BA helicopter
Steal from its cargo
Damaged the craft with their weapons to unusable state
Killed BA pilot

They also kept threatening via voice and accusing me of breaking rules and abusing a whitelisted role, to what they believed was "flying solo to drug area to earn money with BA helicopters, abusing immunity of role".

As I was contracted with my client, and Im not playing this game to make some cheap abuses but to roleplay and have fun, this is not the case.
They also claim that it is not allowed for BA to transport drugs and is breach of rules. According to BA handbook:

3) You may carry cargo that is illigal so long as you do not know what you are carrying (with in RP). Thus if police turn up when you are a weed field, you stay and if police ask you to turn around - YOU MUST COMPLY

They were not police, they didnt ask me to leave, I kept saying I dont know what's the cargo because my client said he want to load some crates to be moved and it is private, legal content.

They did not respect anything that I've said to them or // notes about those things being bannable.

As I understand - British Airways is a role for people to hire to transport goods and people in safe way. They pay extra and contract with pilots so their cargo is safely and fast moved.
If this role is not immune to theft/killing/hijacking then the whole purpose of it is gone.

Whenever I'm playing solo and not acting as BA pilot i take off my tags, but when I'm contracted I switch and act as separate role/life.

I'm attaching screenshots of mentioned gentlemen, showing their names, damaged helicopter from which they stole and my death.


Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

http://imgur.com/a/EevAB

This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[YoCo]

 we landed near a known drug trafficking location (ramseys kitchen) and we roleplayed that we were the tsa (all in a specific uniform) doing random drug searches on commercial flights due to a tip off, the pilot refused to open up his ba huron (what i believe to be using his whitelisting as an excuse to illegally traffic drugs) therefore we picklocked it, as he was acting suspcious, and we then found 190 or so processed lsd, he then tried to leave in his chopper, after we explained that is was being question in regard to him trafficking illegal drugs(we had actually dispatched the police force at this time in order to receive their assistance in this drug trafficking to which he replied that he had also contacted them) , he got into his chopper and started up the engines (completely regarding what we said to him), at which point we opened fire (only on the hull/rotors to imobilise) we then spent another 10/15 minutes inside his vehicle trying to rp with him with absolutely no response, at which point we finished loading up our truck with his illegal drugs he then jumped out of his ba chopper with a pistol and opened fire on us with a rook, therefore not warning shots. (the only reasonably explanation would be baiting as for this report, however as you can see, we acted in self defense).....

AND MOST CERTAINLY (i would like proof of these insulting names that he suggest we use)

IF IM HONEST i feel this was RDM on the BA PILOTS part as he opened fire at us without any real initiation.

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i will start with the fact he says " As BA pilot I had a contract with my client (John Kowalski) to transfer private cargo for him from Ramsays Kitchen to Kavala" 

http://imgur.com/DHL9OFo

for starters, your friend was never on one server 1. when the event took place, so this is clearly false, ergo, you were using your white listed role as an excuse to avoid rebel/police intervention.

for my second point i would like to quote "As I understand - British Airways is a role for people to hire to transport goods and people in safe way. They pay extra and contract with pilots so their cargo is safely and fast moved."

being a ba pilot is not an excuse to transport illegal drugs without risk.
 

to the third point, i believe this to be complete powergaming and abusing your power as a ba pilot and there was also absolute no contact to resolve the situation with us tw members, despite numerous attempts from our side. 

http://imgur.com/aCqbKYh

this is the only comment i received from the aforementioned ba pilot, and was given no chance to reply.

 

[MrBloodyJohn]

Sorry to jump in. I was on the server at that time:

http://imgur.com/4twLJcn

So please do not spread false information. I have no idea why the webpage does not display my log to server 1. 

 

[YoCo]

you say you were transferring cargo for the guy that spoke above to kavala

however his footage shows he was at 141183, which is just outside of athira, completely the wrong direction to any suggestion made. so either this comment is false. or is false in the name of the BA pilot.

I would like to ask; Any admin that reads this to either ask myself [TW] Cleon or [TW] Bear the specifics of the rp situation which preceded this event before any action is taking. As my personal belief; and hopefully one you can reach based on the evidence provided is that the BA pilot in question abused his position and his friend has therefore lied about this. 

I would like to reiterate that no chance was given to resolve the situation.

and it was the BA pilot who opened fire first.

Thank you for your time 

YoCo

 

[MrBloodyJohn]

The deal was as follows: I load the cargo, he delivers it to Kavala. I have no proof of the deal being made, but should we record everything that happens during gameplay? It does not matter that I was just outside Athira. Deal is a deal, I could be on even on Stratis, it should not concern you.

 

[Hontah]

Atleast be honest and you never actually tried to resolve it with us man or atleast a fair chance to do so.

 

[Thesoldier]

All these screenshots mean nothing without a video. Does anyone have a full version of events on video.

Also The Warriors which staff or management gave you permission to "hijack" said helicopter, even though you're role playing it, you still need permission.

 

[YoCo]

We didn't hijack the helicopter, we just searched and took the illegal drugs he was trafficking. He landed alone in Ramsay's kitchen, with a copius amount of Hermits LSD.

Then as we were leaving, he opened fire on us.

 

[Thesoldier]

We didn't hijack the helicopter, we just searched and took the illegal drugs he was trafficking. He landed alone in Ramsay's kitchen, with a copius amount of Hermits LSD.

Then as we were leaving, he opened fire on us.

Robbing the cargo is still a form of aircraft piracy, its still hijacking in my eyes as you deprived British Airways of its helicopter for temporary purposes.

I will confer with management.

 

[YoCo]

Ahh right, I feel like this would amount to some sort of powergaming as based on what has happened; "you cant rob me, im ba, i have a contract"

So they would have immunity from rebels for all drug trafficking activities (even when we know they have drugs on them).

The contractee mentioned was nowhere in sight (i dont even believe he was on the server at the time).

I feel this is a grey area and would greatly appreciate clarification, thank you for your time.

YoCo

 

[Abuk007]

Contrractee was on server and even replied to this topic. I did pass notes and informed you guys to leave this helicopter alone as it breaches rules, but you kept doing your stuff trying to lure me away from it so I couldnt escape.

I got contract, i moved there, contractee moved the cargo to helicopter and asked me to move soon to kavala. I can only assume he wanted to scout the area. It is not my interest what and where contractee does. I just deliver, so I would be waiting at assigned place for him, and adjust my contract pay for additional kilometers/time. If police came and asked to fly away Id listen. If they would like to search the vehicle and disccovered drugs->thus informing me of cargo content, i would have dumped them/gave them to police and informed who was my contractor, to help execute the law.

I can rp with you, have a talk, negotuation or discussion. I already have given you info that my client will be awaiting me near Kavala so you couldve used it and maybe ambush him, but you cant hijack the middleman whose purpose is to add a layer of security for money.

Even after you broke rules by breaking into heli and saying i transport drugs I said I called police and they will clarify what it is and that Im willing to move to a police station for inspection.

Threatening with guns, cursing, spamming me on ts and accusing of powerplay to your defense is trying to get cheap loot while self-interpreting rules.

You didnt wait for police, furthermore confirming that this is just a typical ordinary theft.

 

[YoCo]

my client will be awaiting me near Kavala

in his screen shot he is in athira, why would he load the cargo in hells kitchen and then drive to athira if he was meeting you in kavala. and we were in the area waiting for about 20 minutes and no police turned up. we rp'd throughout, you only said we cant take your illegal substances because its your contracts.

Threatening with guns, cursing, spamming me on ts

I highly dispute these accusations, if you have any evidence, could you kindly provide it. http://imgur.com/aCqbKYh (would hardly say i spammed you on ts)

In addition, i would like to reiterate that you made no attempt to resolve the situation.

Kind regards

YoCo

 

[Hontah]

No one started cursing at you or threatened you man. Dont just start accusing us of stuff. We tried reaching out to you to resolve iy but you never gave it a fair chance. We asked u to come to our lobby, you did not come. We see you in the staff help channel and we join to talk to you and you never replied too any of my gang members as they were speaking to you. We dont want any trouble therefor notice our multiple messages ingame and on teamspeak trying to resolve the whole situation but it looked like you didnt actually wanna resolve the situation. Thats my pov. Its not about loot right now so you dont need to bring it up.

Kind regards Hontah. 

 

[Cleon]

I would just like to add that we never actually even wanted to rob the aircraft of its goods, we only wanted to search it,  we gave a good back story and we all even had matching uniforms.

We told him we were there to search the cargo of this commercial airliner to make sure no one was smuggling illegal items onto the island. He completely refused to even let us search it. We've had other pilots that straight up say "yeah, no problem.  Here's the keys" and we've left with no issues whatsoever.

After the plane was searched, it was found that it was full of LSD, I asked the pilot to follow me for further questioning on the matter and I even made a dispatch to the police, informing them they need to come and confiscate these items.

After this he was told he is not free to go, and he must come with us for further questioning, he disregarded his own safety by walking straight to his chopper and trying to take off, at which point the front engine was immobilised.

The pilot then sat in his aircraft for a good 10-15 minutes refusing to even talk to us (refusing to RP) and refusing to get out. So the cops didn't turn up and after this time we sent someone to get a truck to take away the cargo.

Once the cargo was taken I personally repaired his vehicle and we left. At which point after not saying anything for the past 10-15 minutes the pilot jumped out and opened fire on us - which I believe was him baiting us into killing him for the purpose of this report. 

We made several attempts to contact him and all were ignored. As hontah said we even joined staff attention to speak to him but he didn't utter a word.

I believe the pilot doesn't have any videos because he doesn't want to incriminate himself. As all of his evidence is so minimal as to show the situation from the most narrow of viewpoints.

All I have to ask of the OP is why do you feel it's necessary to try to get 4 people a PERMANENT ban from the server that we enjoy as much as you without even trying to talk to them first? Whilst completely ignoring any attempt from us trying to talk to you.

We ignored your // btw because so many people use it when things aren't going there way and because you was using it so much completely destroying our RP. I find its better to carry on and deal with the situation after.

 

[Thesoldier]

Rejected

No one has provided a full video so there is insufficient evidence to continue on.

However the issue I have is that British Airways is a roleplay faction, and you carrying a gun should be a no no. Also the fact that Yoco was trying to speak with you that you immediately didn't wish to resolve and tried to complain. Also the fact that you have multiple people saying you didn't try to resolve this issue

There is evidence of a BA pilot shooting a gun and killing someone, so therefore.

You are hereby de-whitelisted from BA at of this moment. I will let @killerabbitor @Cadetbusdecide on some form of discipline if they wish to suspend you or remove you from BA.
 

The Warriors:

Although it's not written in the rules, after discussion with staff we believe common sense that any type of roleplay or action to get the cargo of the BA aircraft is still considered a hijack. Just like if went to roleplay the HM Treasury, you're still technically committing an illegal act, however the police are giving you permission based on the roleplay. Next time contact a staff member for permission