Report a Player - [TCK] Voxilate - RDM (Rejected)

[Ziffy]

Your In-game name

Ziffy

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

[TCK] Voxilate

Date of the incident

06/17/2017

Time of the incident (GMT)

18

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 2

Please (in detail) describe the incident

I was doing a cocaine run in my Huron when I saw another Huron flying by. I briskly proceeded to get in my Huron and attempt to fly away. As I did so, the Huron tried to hover on top of me so that I couldn't leave. Then, one of the men got out and told me to get out of my helicopter. I ignored them and tried to move my helicopter but the main rotor smashed into a pole and my helicopter was disabled. Upon doing this, I got out of the helicopter and the 1 guy that was on the ground told me to put my hands up and I pulled a gun out so he instantly shot me with no initiation to my life.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://youtu.be/GEM3reICbOo
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Voxilate]

@Ziffy First thing, Please could you provide a longer video 2 mins before and after please.

2nd thing: I had my gun on you the entire time, and i was giving you demands and you did not listen, You got out of the Huron and pulled a gun out, Not sure why you would pull a weapon out when i pointed a gun at you. In my opinion that is fail rp as you did not value your life and you clearly knew that i was not alone as i got out of a huron when someone else was flying it. 

Only reason you would of pulled a gun out is to shoot me, So do not give any excuses for it.

if you had of shot me while my gun was pointed at you and you killed me i would of called you to team-speak as well as you wouldn't be valuing your life

 

[Ziffy]

@Ziffy First thing, Please could you provide a longer video 2 mins before and after please.

2nd thing: I had my gun on you the entire time, and i was giving you demands and you did not listen, You got out of the Huron and pulled a gun out, Not sure why you would pull a weapon out when i pointed a gun at you. In my opinion that is fail rp as you did not value your life and you clearly knew that i was not alone as i got out of a huron when someone else was flying it. 

Only reason you would of pulled a gun out is to shoot me, So do not give any excuses for it.

if you had of shot me while my gun was pointed at you and you killed me i would of called you to team-speak as well as you wouldn't be valuing your life

That 2 minutes was all I got as I have deleted the rest but why does it matter? It means nothing to what happens in this situation. Also, me having a gun out is purely to defend myself in the case where you had initiated on my life. You made no effort when it came to threatening me you just gave me commands which I am not required to follow. Regarding the fact that I knew you weren't alone, they weren't a threat to me as I knew they were in the helicopter. I still believe that this is RDM as no clear initiation on life was made. @Voxilate

 

[Voxilate]

Also, me having a gun out is purely to defend myself

My gun was pointed at you and i was giving you demands, You got out and drew the weapon which is a threat to my life as you did not comply with my demands so i took the threat out.

There is no way i would of knew that you was going to shoot me or not but i was not willing to take that risk. And i think that its a bit rubbish that you did not just put your hands up as i had my gun on you

 

[Ziffy]

My gun was pointed at you and i was giving you demands, You got out and drew the weapon which is a threat to my life as you did not comply with my demands so i took the threat out.

There is no way i would of knew that you was going to shoot me or not but i was not willing to take that risk. And i think that its a bit rubbish that you did not just put your hands up as i had my gun on you

There is no rule as rebel that says I have to value my life as I thought I had backup incoming. The pure factor that you shot me just because I pulled a gun out is ridiculous. I used it to defend myself and there was no reason to gun me down.

 

[Voxilate]

There is no rule as rebel that says I have to value my life as I thought I had backup incoming. The pure factor that you shot me just because I pulled a gun out is ridiculous. I used it to defend myself and there was no reason to gun me down.

Well then we are not going to get anywhere with this as we both think we are correct, I think that you drawing your gun when my gun is aimed right at you is fail RP as you did not value your life, Now there may not be a written rule about it BUT if someone is pointing a gun at you, you would normally listen as its common sense.

You think that it is RDM as i did not threaten your life.

So we can let the admins decide the fate of this situation.

But IRL if someone had a gun on you and even if you have a gun on your back, i doubt you would take your gun off your back or from a holster and use it for your own safety as i would not, And before you say or anyone else states that "Not every aspect of this game is based on real life" i know this, As i said though its common sense.

No further replies will be made from my end.

 

[NotMattch]

@Ziffy - Please provide a video of aprox 3 minutes showing the lead up to the situation and the actual incident.  40 seconds is not sufficient.

 

[Ziffy]

I have around another 20 seconds of video footage which is literally their heli just hovering over mine so it's fairly pointless. Only started recording like 10 seconds after they started doing it. I don't necessarily understand why it's required due to the fact that the report is about the way he never told me he would shoot me or do anything like that. All that happened was that their heli hovered over mine until mine was disabled, he got out of his chopper with a poor initiation so I jumped out, pulled a gun and got shot. All that happened before that was me processing cocaine. @Mattch

 

[NotMattch]

I have around another 20 seconds of video footage which is literally their heli just hovering over mine so it's fairly pointless. Only started recording like 10 seconds after they started doing it. I don't necessarily understand why it's required due to the fact that the report is about the way he never told me he would shoot me or do anything like that. All that happened was that their heli hovered over mine until mine was disabled, he got out of his chopper with a poor initiation so I jumped out, pulled a gun and got shot. All that happened before that was me processing cocaine. @Mattch

For all I know they've been chasing you for the past 3 minutes and had already initiated on you once before.  We always ask for extra evidence, especially for RDM cases, so that we're confident that we know exactly what happened to make a decision.

Banning someone based on 40 seconds of footage and you telling us what may or may not be accurate isn't sufficient enough I'm afraid.

 

[Ziffy]

For all I know they've been chasing you for the past 3 minutes and had already initiated on you once before.  We always ask for extra evidence, especially for RDM cases, so that we're confident that we know exactly what happened to make a decision.

Banning someone based on 40 seconds of footage and you telling us what may or may not be accurate isn't sufficient enough I'm afraid.

Then can I ask @Voxilate for some footage as I have none. Surely you can see from his responses it is clear that he knows he did not initiate on my life and that's what this report is about. I believe as well @Voxilate can confirm that this was the case and that I had about half of my cocaine processed considering they took it all afterwards. @Mattch

 

[NotMattch]

Then can I ask @Voxilate for some footage as I have none. Surely you can see from his responses it is clear that he knows he did not initiate on my life and that's what this report is about. I believe as well @Voxilate can confirm that this was the case and that I had about half of my cocaine processed considering they took it all afterwards. @Mattch

As I've previously stated on another report, it is down to the reporter to provide sufficient evidence to allow us to be 100% sure that we're making the correct decision.  If the reported wants to provide footage to defend themselves they can however if they have none there isn't anything we can do about that.  

Judging by the responses it's clear the something has happened, but what exactly has happened needs to be proven by hard evidence not a "he said she said" thread I'm afraid.

 

[Ziffy]

As I've previously stated on another report, it is down to the reporter to provide sufficient evidence to allow us to be 100% sure that we're making the correct decision.  If the reported wants to provide footage to defend themselves they can however if they have none there isn't anything we can do about that.  

Judging by the responses it's clear the something has happened, but what exactly has happened needs to be proven by hard evidence not a "he said she said" thread I'm afraid.

That's the thing though, I'm not treating it as a "he said, she said" because we can all agree that I reported @Voxilate due to his poor initiation and how he never initiated on my life. Of course now knowing that I have no other footage he could deny all of this and say that he initiated 3 minutes before, but I don't know why he would considering he believes he has done nothing wrong. If he had previously initiated on life, he would have shot me right away rather than giving me yet another chance to comply and put my hands up.

 

[NotMattch]

That's the thing though, I'm not treating it as a "he said, she said" because we can all agree that I reported @Voxilate due to his poor initiation and how he never initiated on my life. Of course now knowing that I have no other footage he could deny all of this and say that he initiated 3 minutes before, but I don't know why he would considering he believes he has done nothing wrong. If he had previously initiated on life, he would have shot me right away rather than giving me yet another chance to comply and put my hands up.

Maybe he decided to take you hostage, force you into doing slave labor or wanted to create another roleplay scenario (being an RP server and all) rather than just shooting you.

Either way, there isn't enough evidence provided for me to accurately judge the situation and be confident in what actually happened.  Seeing as you have no further evidence to provide and I can see this ending up just going round and round in circles:

Report Rejected - Insufficient evidence