Report a Player - T | V L I E K - RDM (Action Taken)

[Bushinator]

Your In-game name

[SCF] Martin [E]

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

T | V L I E K

Date of the incident

04/02/18

Time of the incident (GMT)

14:21

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

We were robbing someone at smuggler. I was support helicopter.

There was 2 boats. 1 boat left to the shore as can be seen in the video. Which is around 1,5 Km away.

Some guy landed his helicopter. In the end Billy told the guy to go take of in his Helicopter. He did not respond so he was threatened with his life. He killed our guys. I flew of as I did not want to get sniped out of the helicopter, and I wanted to get a boat.

When they killed him I grabbed a boat to pick up my guys as it isn't accesible with helicopter. As soon as I jump in my boat I get shot.

I qualify this as RDM as the guy at the smuggler didn't define he was associated with the guy running away. He didn't initiate for his group. The guy on the shore isn't in a active gun fight and he did not roleplay.

We spoke in Teamspeak. He did not want to comply with that he was wrong and did not want to comp.

My point of view (helicopter): http://plays.tv/video/5a77163c281faea46a/trident-rdm-

The point of view of initation on smuggler outpost: https://plays.tv/video/5a7721b0178683509b/situation

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

http://plays.tv/video/5a77163c281faea46a/trident-rdm-
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Vliek]

Too bad my PlaysTV didn't record, I don't really have anything to defend myself with.

I was selling my blood diamonds with my ally Razzzz and I was leaving with my boat. When I was leaving I saw a boat with 2 guys and a wasp hummingbird with benchies on the side dropping someone off, so I kept eyes on what happens from my boat while I was going back to boats. I saw you were robbing Razzz and from a distance I could see you killing him because he put his hands down. I contacted seshhead at that time that someone robbed and killed one of our allies, so he want there and you threathened his life so seshhead started shooting. I saw all this happen from boats, because I kept eyes on smugglers outpost from my boat and from my kahlia. When you killed seshhead I opened fire on the hovering wasp hummingbird with my mxsw and the hummingbird went straight towards me at boats. I waited till I had a clear shot on the guy who jumped out, but he got a boat out and jumped in the water so I waited till he got in his boat. Then I killed him and someone asked me to come to teamspeak.

We tried to solve it in teamspeak, but you didn't believe anything what I said. It sounded like you are forcing me to comp, because I don't have a recording. The first time I went to teamspeak you said you didn't drop anyone off, but you did.

I kept eyes on you at all times and I physically saw one of your boys killing Seshhead.

I killed you because you are the pilot of the helicopter who dropped people off at smuggler outpost and I kept eyes on you.

You told me in teamspeak that if you got out of the helicopter and killed me, I would ask you to come to teamspeak too, but I wouldn't.

 

[Bushinator]

We tried to solve it in teamspeak, but you didn't believe anything what I said. It sounded like you are forcing me to comp, because I don't have a recording. The first time I went to teamspeak you said you didn't drop anyone off, but you did.

As seen in my OWN video I had someone with me. Why would I lie but still upload that part showing someone on the bench.... 

And btw we tried solving it two times in teamspeak, and the second time you kept on changing the story.. That's why I am not believing you. 

When you killed seshhead I opened fire on the hovering wasp hummingbird with my mxsw and the hummingbird went straight towards me at boats.

This did not happen. As seen in the video the Hummingbird was never shot or never shot at.... Not sure how you can say this. As with NV you will always see the shots..
 

I killed you because you are the pilot of the helicopter who dropped people off at smuggler outpost and I kept eyes on you.

As I said. I left the active gunfight. Which you were not included in. I flew for 1,5 km and left it. As seen in the video there as been not a single word from your side of this gunfight.

And finally:

As I have been saying multiple times. I am willing to solve this but you are continuously changing story and making us believe you didn't do anything wrong while I am confident you did! So herefor I am leaving it with the admins to decide. Because you are not willing to deal with this. And will do anything (changing story) to convince me you are not guilty.

And Vliek if you don't believe me, you were changing story, I have the whole Teamspeak conversation on record... So if you want to discuss this feel free to join teamspeak!

 

 

[Vliek]

I did shoot with my MXSW, I was using my tracers (every couple of bullets) to see where my bullets went instead of zeroing and I shot very close to your helicopter or even hit it, but I couldn't see any of that in your video, it was probably a near miss. You were zoomed in on the smugglers outpost at the time I took the shots so you were not able to see me firing.

The first time I went to teamspeak you didn't even give me time to fully explain it, because you asked if I want to comp or not and I said no because I want to explain the situation and at that point you all left the channel. The second time I explained it again, but I forgot to tell you about that I fired with my MXSW, that's why you didn't trust any of what I was saying.

A gunfight is as far as you can see, I had eyes on your helicopter at all times and saw you flying over to boats, where I was. 

 

[Bushinator]

The first time I went to teamspeak you didn't even give me time to fully explain it, because you asked if I want to comp or not and I said no because I want to explain the situation and at that point you all left the channel. The second time I explained it again, but I forgot to tell you about that I fired with my MXSW, that's why you didn't trust any of what I was saying.

First time we were in the channel for more than 5 minutes. You told ur story I said I'm not buying it and gave my solution. You did not want to solve it so here we are!

The second time you retold the story and when you knew you fucked up you quicly added at the end of the story:

"By the way in the beginning I was also shooting you"

As I was saying. And this only confirmes it: You continue to change the story. 

 

[Vliek]

Why did I fuck up? I checked my PlaysTv and it did record, you can see me shooting at your helicopter: https://plays.tv/video/5a7740478794d83b4d/mxsw-at-chopper

I didn't rangefind so I shot at you to check where the tracer went and it looked like it hit you, but it was zeroed on 500 instead of 1.2-1.4km

 

[Bushinator]

Why did I fuck up? I checked my PlaysTv and it did record, you can see me shooting at your helicopter: https://plays.tv/video/5a7740478794d83b4d/mxsw-at-chopper

I didn't rangefind so I shot at you to check where the tracer went and it looked like it hit you, but it was zeroed on 500 instead of 1.2-1.4km

This just justifies what I've been thinking. You change the story so it's good for you. Show us the whole situation. You just said PlaysTV did work. 

I did shoot with my MXSW, I was using my tracers

So as seen in the video from us last respond. You shot 1 tracer which was not even close. Your argument is invalid...

 

[Vliek]

Like I said, I used my tracers to see if my bullets hit or not. It was an active gunfight. You don't get what I'm saying.

My playstv record timer was stuck, so that means it's corrupted, it also didn't come up after I closed the game, but it did record somehow.

I'll compensate you, because I don't see the point in solving this, please message me on teamspeak when you are online.

 

[Billy S]

Like I said, I used my tracers to see if my bullets hit or not. It was an active gunfight. You don't get what I'm saying.

My playstv record timer was stuck, so that means it's corrupted, it also didn't come up after I closed the game, but it did record somehow.

I'll compensate you, because I don't see the point in solving this, please message me on teamspeak when you are online.

Vliek,

I have spoken with Martin and we both agree that he will not be accepting Compensation, if you did nothing wrong you would not be offering compensation for this situation, as you've clearly said several times, you did nothing wrong?

You was given two attempts in teamspeak3 to resolve this very simple situation and you didn't seem interested in getting anywhere with it, during both discussions I was present as it was related to my strictly run group. The important thing to remember in future is that SCF members will soon all be forced to start using recording software as it seems evident to me that some groups on here seem reluctant to attempt any sort of roleplay during some situations if it benefits them and the sad reality is, we must record this and deal with this as a community quickly and swiftly.

It's also became clear to me that Tridant as a group have broken several rules again us in the past where sadly we have had no recording, also roleplay situations in game have been ban worthy at times due to lack of roleplay in the first place. You was asked in the second teamspeak3 discussion if you agreed that the staff should deal with this on the forums and you was quick only replying with a yes.

I think it's best we allow the RPUK staff to evaluate this situation and give us there feedback in the mean time.

 

[Vliek]

The reason why I’m offering comp, is because Martin keeps saying I’m changing the story and I am getting a bit tired of it. After Martin made the report Martin asked in teamspeak if I could just comp, because he only had a mk18. 

You are saying I wasn’t interested in getting anywhere, I was trying to solve it but you guys kept saying I change the story and that you don’t believe me. That looks like you don’t want to solve it from your side, the only thing you guys cared about in the conversations is the comp, not about resolving anything.

The second time in teamspeak was a bit chaotic because there were many guys in the channel at that time. I was not the person saying yes when you asked if we should take this to the forums, at that time I was still trying to explain the situation from my point of view. 

 

[NotMattch]

I'll compensate you, because I don't see the point in solving this, please message me on teamspeak when you are online.

I have spoken with Martin and we both agree that he will not be accepting Compensation, if you did nothing wrong you would not be offering compensation for this situation, as you've clearly said several times, you did nothing wrong?

Just curious, why not?  This statement here just makes it look extremely likely that this entire report is now purely to get someone banned rather than resolve?

 

[Bushinator]

Just curious, why not?  This statement here just makes it look extremely likely that this entire report is now purely to get someone banned rather than resolve?

Because we tried twice. He kept on wasting our time. He did not agree he broke rules. And now when it's really serious and he feels the threat he suddenly wants to comp. That feels to me like he did not care about the rules and now quickly wants to comp me to last minute evade this conversation we are having right now.

So the reason we are not wanting to solve this anymore is.

1) He did not want to comp me because he said he did nothing wrong;
2) The second time we spoke he kept on changing the story;
3) He wanted us to go to the forums the last time we spoke; and
4) As now at the end where admins decide over his faith he wants to get out. I do not want to solve this anymore as it feels to me he does not want to solve it at all and did not learn anything. He disregards the rules and changes his story so it will help him. He just wants a quick way out of this forum post and that does not feel fitting to the situation.

And not to forgert he didn't had any footage and suddenly when he really needed it he has like a few minutes of footages to prove one of his many points. So why not show the rest? I guess because it continues to show us he is disregarding the rules and showing it to us will help my point of view. And that @Mattch is why I want to solve this with the admins instead of asking for comp... As I tried to do twice in teamspeak conversations.

 

[Alfred]

I have read through the statements made by Vliek and SCF Martin.  

SCF Martin as you arrive you see a boat leave, this tells me that he may or may not be involved with the guy you are robbing.  The situation goes on and a heli lands at Smuggles outpost and another initiation is made and your friends get killed.  At no point in the videos shown was a initiation for group members made.  Now Vliek you choose to act on these initiations and the responsibility of your action always falls down to you.  This is why we encourage hotmic'ing of initiations. 
So i believe you got yourself involved with the situation because you saw 1 of your friends die.   Yes you knew the Helicopter was involved however the initiation that was made was not made was not clear enough to deem you being involved.

It is up to you as the player to ensure the initiation that has been made it good enough to get you involved that falls in line with the community rules.

This is a case of 2.2 (RDM) and you will be banned under this rule.

Name:V L I E K

Steam ID:76561198238497190