Report a Player - SI Dredd - RDM (Denied)

['RiCh']

Your In-game name

~Rich~

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

SI Dredd

Date of the incident

09/01/2016

Time of the incident (GMT)

21

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

I passed what appeared to be a roadblock of some sort, and stopped my vehicle to see what was happening. When I was on foot, I saw a dead policemen, and another alive by a broken car. I took the opportunity to steal the dead officers mk200, which I did in front of the policemen, that I was convinced was distracted, and then started to run towards my own car. When I ran towards my car the medics started shouting to the officer that I stole the weapon, and the officer responded to the medics saying "Oh Waw, yeah I see it," and without any initiation tazed me. I later found out just as I though there was no active gun fight in the area, so I believe Dredd had no valid reason to shoot me without initiation.

I tried to resolve this on teamspeak, but he failed to see it was RDM, which I assume it was. His reason for shooting me he told me was because if he tried to initiate, I would of been able to drive off, escaping from the scene, so to basically increase his chance of catching me he skipped the initiation part, which I feel is potentially also power-gaming, because I could not do this to another rebel.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://vid.me/LLT9
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Samuel Thompson]

Haven't read it, haven't watched the video.

But I would love @SI Dreddto respond to this before it is actioned.

 

[Samuel Thompson]

Right I am going to start formulate a response, 

If Dredd used the excuse to you in team speak of why he shot early then that would be an unacceptable reason for him to taze you, for me to act on this there would be a required evidence.

To be curious it seems that you have edited the video and I would require full unedited video if you have purposely doctored the evidence, that would be a very bad. I would also require a few minutes before the actual taze occurred because then I can see that you had no prior engagement with each other.

However as stated previously I would like a response from Dredd himself on the matter and I would also like to ask the reporter if the reported really deserves to be banned or have other punishments with regards to this or if this is to just get himself some compensation and this being the only avenue currently open to him.

If you could reply @Rich Mcmallthat would be wonderful.

 

['RiCh']

Ok, let me get the full version

 

['RiCh']

Ok here it is

Video 1 (first part):https://vid.me/IyG0

Video 2(second part):https://vid.me/oNsd

Ok I just want to say that I use shadow play, so when I press for example F1 it saves a certain amount of past recording. I first saved the recording in the middle of a conversation (after he tazed me), then saved it again to get the rest of the conversation, which is why there are two videos to watch, which link together.

Also I didn't record the teamspeak conversation we had, but within the roleplay scenario between me and him, I confronted him about why he didn't say stop or you will be tazed, which shows his reaction, with him basically saying he wouldn't of had enough time to initiate, and therefore admitting to what I said about him intentionally skipping initiation in my opinion. 

Samuel, I wish that hes punished, due to him refusing that what he did was wrong, just to answer your question. 

(p.s watch the hole conversation)

 

[Dredd]

So to explain my actions...

Myself and my colleague, PC Washington, who's weapon was taken by Rich while the medics were reviving us to his sports hatch, were unconscious due to a slight driving mishap, were in the middle of being resuscitated when a member of the public, Rich, managed to pick up Washington's MK20 C and then run it to his car before I'd realised he was even there (Probably due to me being mid conversation with the Medics at the time). By the time one of the Medics had pointed out the man with the weapon and I'd seen him, he had already accessed the vehicle and then put the weapon inside, at which point I had a window of time which will have been the time it takes somebody to either hit space or middle mouse to enter the vehicle before he would have driven off with a dangerous weapon.

In my mind, that leaves me with two options. Either I ask the gentleman to stop what he's doing when he has more or less already finished doing it, giving him two options: get in the vehicle and escape with a shiny, free weapon, or do as the Police Officer has asked and lose said shiny, free weapon, or to taze him very quickly, and then explain in detail, my reason for doing so, thus eliminating his first option, which would have resulted in another illegal weapon in Kavala (Assuming he was to escape in the direction his vehicle was already facing). 

After giving a very detailed, simplified and then repeated explanation for the action I'd taken, Rich was then asked to hand over the weapon and released due to the calm manner in which he took the explanation. 

An hour or two passed and then I was contacted by Rich in TeamSpeak and asked to come to the Police/Rebel Liaison room to explain what I'd done out of character, at which point my explanation was heard and then taken out of context to make it sound as if I was condoning RDM, which obviously, I wasn't. 

In the end, I was quite riled up and told Rich that it was entirely in his hands as to what his next course of action would be and that if he feels that I should be banned for the incident, that he should report me, but that should he do so, I'd give the same explanation to the Staff member responding as I had done him, and that the Staff would likely understand my reasoning and then refuse the report.

Sorry about the long winded response, just felt that the whole situation should be explained exactly as I'd seen it.

Many thanks,

SI Dredd.

 

[Samuel Thompson]

Ok after having a long debate with other staff with regards to this, I have come to a conclusion. 

Now to start I would like to say that Rich you running up past an officer and picking up a firearm from a currently incapacitated officer whilst he is even facing and has a taser at the ready is most likely FailRP/Trolling and you would find yourself very lucky to not get in trouble for this yourself. With regards to your video the part that cut out with @Drew a staff member and to be honest if he had seen anything wrong with the situation then he would have acted on it before you had a need to go to a report.

Now if you take the rules at their very literally meaning it seems that @SI Dreddhas broken them, however there has been a previous precedent set and after a long discussion with other staff and members of management there seems to be nothing wrong with how @SI Dredddealt with the situation and I would argue that he in fact did the right thing in the way he acted. After all it is ludicrous that you would have expected to get away with running into an officer, picking up his colleagues fire arm and then not being shot, that being non-lethal or not. 

I feel that it would also be wrong to "Punish" him for being simply as you see it incorrect in his ways and after having been on the server for the length of time that he has I would simply go to him and correct him of his ways than simply just banning him outright I mean I would do the same for a hobo, let alone a long standing player who has given so much to the community via the police force.

I leave you with this @Rich McmallI see that you are very close to having broken rules 1.7 and 2.7 and if I were to action this report if I were that inclined it would be arguable that I ban the both of you. However that was not the intention I started to right this with.

This report is denied.