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Report a player - Ryan Kray - GTA RP

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Your In-game Name: Price Shekel

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: Ryan Kray

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 09/03/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 2355

What best describes this incident ?: Baiting, Maybe NVL

Please (in detail) describe the incident: We were on grove street chilling just doing our thing, then police came down stalking a few of our members circling our turf, so we assumed amongst us that they were going to attempt to arrest 1 or maybe more of us, while stood on grove street we had numerous coms come through radio that one of our members was being chased by police, when hearing this one of our other members attempted to go and help him while we decided to stay grouped up on Grove street as a safety feature in hopes that police wouldn't attempted to just run at us n hands us and if they did so we had a plan to go out fighting, police then went around grove street numerous amounts of times then attempted to chase another member resulting in the other grove member getting caught and arrested which we seen, on seeing this we then all decided that if police attempt to come down grove street in an attempt to provoke us due to them knowing we just witnessed an arrest on our member we would shoot them, at the time Ryan Kray has made his way down our turf on his own and decided to Bait us by standing in front of us doing an emote which you will see in the video, when this happens we attempt to be the bigger people and ignore this childish remark and attempt to communicate with the officer, which then resulted in him failing to attempt any sort of communication/RP which then lead into our gun fight.

After the situation I had asked a few officers involved to come to discord to have a civil talk about the Baiting we witnessed, on doing this one of the officers then came into OOC chat and proceeded to announce that "the police were just doing their job as they had seen us with guns" which is why I am adding the NVL into here also as Ryan Kray has not only came down in an attempt to bait but has also came alone onto a gang turf knowing the 6 members in front of him have weapons on them, In the discord call one of the officers has also announced to me that after the situation Ryan Kray had left and went to log out, which in my opinion is kinda upsetting as he caused the baiting situation to happen then refused to do any RP with the situation.

https://i.gyazo.com/b7214ba30cd6fc502b9a4bb974e677bb.png

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/1scfafPOufx-wC/d13372HwQXzX?invite=cr-MSw1RVosNDA5MzQ3NTAs

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/1scfafPOufx-wC/d13372HwQXzX?invite=cr-MSw1RVosNDA5MzQ3NTAs



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 
Hiya bossman,

If you wanna speak about this then we can. I went off last night because my game went funny and I couldn't see inside of Pillbox at all. That along with the fact it was past 12 I was shattered. I did say this to one of the officers that was there in hopes they would pass this along to you. I will galdly have a word with you to help resolve this matter.

 
As soon as the shooting was finished I instantly reached out in OOC alerting you guys id like a talk and to that was asked "is it for my interest or yours" (Yours being the police), I then clearly announced that it was for the baiting by ur self not specifically naming you but clearly pointing out it was as said for the baiting, giving this OOC message I feel you had plenty of time to see this as there was a good amount of convo received in OOC after it about the situation with some people being angry about it and some trying to calm the situation down, in the discord with the other officers they announced that they seen exactly what you had done and were very un happy about it also, which leads me to believe that someone would have messaged you alerting you that the discord call was meant for you, I understand everyone has a life, a job, things to do etcetera but to come and cause a situation like you did here n bait this bad, in my opinion using the time as an excuse just makes me think why not log off earlier and avoid any situation like this in the first place, seems to me from an outside POV that your only intention here was to bait a gun fight as you knew we were armed then log off as you had had you "fun", as said I reached out OOC and gave you and other officers the option to have a talk about this and I did as said have a good little convo with the other officers involved with them themselves stating they were very very unhappy with what you did as stated before, so I personally feel a talk wouldn't get us anywhere, so I'm going to Leave this up to the staff to deal with.

 
Fair enough then mate, I had my chat turned off that night and I messaged someone to let them know I was going off and if you guys wanted me to let you know this. Someone did ping me but I was already alseep mate.

I'll put my 10 pence in now but I am still open to talking about this situation if you change your mind.

First lets clear some of your mistakes up,

You stated "failing to attempt any sort of communication/RP", I'm not to sure if you just chose to ignore me or forget that I spoke to you. There was communication between us which can cleary be seen and heard.

You also have said "them knowing we just witnessed an arrest on our member", how on gods green earth am I supposed to know that you stood ontop of a roof got your phone out and zoomed into the Maze Bank Arena to watch your friend get arrested. I had no knowledge that you had witnessed this and to be truthful I didn't even know you could get a viewpoint from there.

Secondly my viewpoint,
I arrived on scene and tried talking to you guys. I did this because the plan was made to stop and search you all. I was under the impression that my collegues were behind me and therefore the situation would have gone different and the plan was we would all nicely get out and imform you of said stop and search. However, once I pulled up and got out I then very cleary saw that no one was behind me. So I did what I have always done and blagged it until they did arrive. I attempted to speak with you as I have done with many other gang member and people alike. I spoke with you and then my lovely firearms collegues arrived to which someone asked what was the plan so I got onto my radio and started to explain which is when you lovely gentlemen decided to open fire. Now you have mentioned about me emoting and you are correct I did, the reason for this is number one I can't sit still for very long and number two I was quite simply stalling because I had just realised that my collogues were round the corner and I was already out on foot. You have said that we knew you was armed, now while this is to some extent true it is also not. I personnaly was under the impression that there was one of you with a beanbag launcher(which had possible been put away) and then another with a M1911, so me arriving again with the assumption that I had at least one other ARV with me I would not call NVL, but ofcourse I will be corrected if so.

I can only apoligise that you felt the need to shoot at police in this instance. You've said it is upsetting that I logged off so I will also apoligise for that and for not RPing with you at the hospital. As stated I could not see on any of the floors and decided to log off and because of the time did not log back on. I made this known too at least 2 other people.

Also I am sorry to ask but what did this "bait" achieve?
You gents could of easily run/drive away and therefore I don't know what I "baited" from you. If you mean a gunfight then that would be silly of me because I am terrible in gunfights.

Once more as I've said I can only apoligise for any upsetting feelings I have caused you or your lovely friends.

@Liam Yes ofcourse, from what I was told from the officer that started the chase, he was being chased because he drove into a police officers car while the officer was in said car at 100+ MPH. I will gladly be corrected for this as I was an assisitng officer and not the original to start the pursuit.

 
Okay the statement of me saying  "failing to attempt any sort of communication/RP" could have been worded better as what I mean is failed to communicate what was going on and why the police were on Grove street, that's my bad on the wording, as for your statement of you saying how were you meant to know we were all armed, You have entered a gang turf at this point and I feel you should always approach with precaution as most people would assume gang members would be carrying weapons especially on this server it is very known that gang members within the server have weapons, to come down knowing there is an active situation and emote in front of us I feel in this matter is Bating, I will admit I was very sceptical on whether it was a good idea to shoot or not as I didn't want to be RDMing anyone or breaking any rules myself, but with the little discord we had Scott, Snuffles and other officers cleared this up with me and said they fully understand why we started shooting also claiming that it was reasonable grounds for us to shoot as they were on a gang turf arresting our members and trying to get us also.

You said you don't like to sit still, so when you got out your car n realised you were alone rather than go back to your car and drive around the street again and wait for your backup you decided it would be a good idea whilst alone to approach multiple gang members and try provoke them with the bait of and emote.

You say that we could have also easily ran or drove away Yet when 2 of our members attempted this you chased them.

I feel I am repeating myself a lot so I'm gonna try to leave it with this and allow the staff to go over this and deal with it and reply if desperately needed or if staff ask me to.

 
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I understand your statements and concerns, I completely understand you guys shooting as you guys had made your mind up about that prior to me even being there as you stated. The reason I didn't just get back into my car and drive away is because that just seemed like a really crappy thing to do. So instead I attempted to speak to you guys and then the shootout happened. I wouldn't say the shootout was caused by me or that I affected the shootout in any way because as you have said you had pre planned shooting us in such event. 

In terms of us chasing them, there was one car/person we wanted and pursued and then another one of your fellas crashed into a cop car and he got chased, but I do understand that you may have felt trapped in some way.

I do beleive this has just been blown a bit out of proportion. Again if you are willing to have a chat then I'm sure we can sort this out. Just saying your gunna leave it or reply if desperately needed seems a bit shut off.

Just let me know if your up for it.

 
I don't think it will change my mind and I also believe we have both said all we need to say through this report, don't really want to go in a call just to hear a repeat of it all, in this situation as said in a previous write by me I already liaised with a good few cops that night about the sit, so I'm just gonna stick with leaving this up

(My bad if this sound cheeky or aggressive its not my intention I just don't know how to word it different)

 
Alright then.

Throughout the entirety of this report (The videos), all I have heard is "Lets smoke them", "Can we smoke the cops", "If they come back lets smoke them".

The Police, were doing their in RP job by chasing a Grove member whom was breaking the law as Ryan Kray has stated so below.

Ryan Kray said:
In terms of us chasing them, there was one car/person we wanted and pursued and then another one of your fellas crashed into a cop car and he got chased, but I do understand that you may have felt trapped in some way.
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So, lets just put the situation with Neb to the side as its somewhat irrelevant.

The issue as to why Police were on Grove street in the first place is that Grove Street Members were seen to have Bean Bag Launchers, which the Police attempted to do an Armed Intervention on a vehicle but ultimately failed.

In my eyes, Ryan Kray went to Grove Street to either keep eyes on Grove Street until more units arrived like they did briefly after. I don't see where he is baiting, as he is attempting to engage in High Quality Roleplay with you yet all we hear from your radio is about killing the cops.

At 1:18 in the video, Grove Street were well aware that they'd lose such a gunfight with the Police but went into it anyway? That is quite odd.

The gunfight was going to happen regardless if Ryan Kray was twiddling his thumbs in Vespucci PS, or if he was there. As the Police main goal was to conduct a S47 on Grove Street Members due to evidence that they possessed, Grove Street started the gunfight and gained the upper hand. I wouldn't have said Grove Street were providing High Quality Roleplay before, during and or after the gunfight had started. It seems as though Grove Street were itching for a reason to shoot which is quite shit if I am being honest. Even at that, it seems backwards to report @Ryan Krayfor Baiting, when Grove Street were seeking for the fight and starting the fight.

Action: Warnings across the board for all Grove Street Members present

Rule(s): G1.2

 
Your report has been dealt with, but perhaps not in the way you originally envisaged.

Whether this is beneficial or disadvantageous to you will depend entirely on the situation, and staff will have taken the most-appropriate action in the circumstances.

 
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