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Report a Player - rutkowski and Hekster - RDM (Action Taken)

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MrLongSlong

MrLongSlong

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Isle of Slongs
Your In-game name

MrLongSlong

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

rutkowski and Hekster

Date of the incident

05/02/18

Time of the incident (GMT)

2100

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

First of all I would like to say I want to report him for more then one thing, not just RDM , but also fail RP, but the option above does not let me chose multiple answers.

So I did a Cocaine run with my helicopter and another truck being pulled along below, I arrived at the drug dealer and started to sell my product, when I saw another helicopter landing, I decided that they clearly weren't also selling drugs as they where in a hummingbird so I decided to leave, I got about 2 meters off the ground when they opened fire on my helicopter causing it to break and spin out of control, there was no conversation between us then and no warning shots, as you can see in the video provided, I then re gained control and landed to try and get the names of the individuals in order to submit this report, I'n this time they decided it would have been appropriate to rob me which they did technically legally but very poorly, they gave me no chance to speak to them and gave me exacly 10 seconds to complie, this isn't why I am reporting though, its because of them disabling my heli whilst it was flying without any initiation.

I asked the individual who killed me to come to teamspeak with me, after much frustration of talking to him he really didn't understand the rules and kept complaining that it was the servers fault that it doesn't specifically say that ur not allowed to disable helicopters, I then asked him to join the support channel where we spent around an hour talk with the lovely Sonder who was incredibly helpful and understanding, Hekster uploaded his side of the evidence which proves he clearly broke server rules, Unfortunately I did hit my recording button but for what ever reason it didn't record, this didn't matter as Hekster was uploading his side anyway, after the admin reviewed the evidence he agreed ed with me but unfortunately he couldn't impose a punishment because he is not a high enough staff level but he did try and get a higher admin to come and talk to us but was un successful. Sonder I'm sure can testify that this did actually happen, during our speaking with Hekster he clearly stated many times that if I where to have to file the report he would simply take down the video proving he was in the wrong , he would do this because he knew I didn't have my point of view, that is why the evidence I have submitted is from the offenders point of view and not mine, because he said he was going to take down the video I quickly recorded the video so I have evidence.

I believe its incredibly unfair how he has treated the staff and me in this situation , he was very rude towards me and the staff member trying to help and although that is not agents the rules treating others with respect is just generally expected.

I did briefly mention to him that I would be open to compensation after the fact that he had clearly been proven wrong by me and the staff member, but he did not seem to want to comply with this.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://youtu.be/eErMl8WelEA
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 
@MrLongSlong Please stop crying and inventing. We had a talk with Sonder on teamspeak and everything was clear and we were free to go and the end of our conversation, beacuse the admin with higher permission level was busy. There were no frustration, complaining and moreover also I wasn't rude. I think that admins should judge a evidence not your story telling. I also will attach my yt video because your screen recording has really poor quality. I am also open to compensation, I told you that on TS3 but unfortunately you wasn't listening to me but prefer interrupting... but I am open to after admin judgement, that was what I said then. 

PS you should become fabulist ;)

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8 hours ago, Hekster said:

@MrLongSlong Please stop crying and inventing. We had a talk with Sonder on teamspeak and everything was clear and we were free to go and the end of our conversation, beacuse the admin with higher permission level was busy. There were no frustration, complaining and moreover also I wasn't rude. I think that admins should judge a evidence not your story telling. I also will attach my yt video because your screen recording has really poor quality. I am also open to compensation, I told you that on TS3 but unfortunately you wasn't listening to me but prefer interrupting... but I am open to after admin judgement, that was what I said then. 

PS you should become fabulist ;)

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After you left the teamspeak Sonder told me that he wasn’t able to get the admin to come and talk to me, that didn’t mean your innocent and didn’t break the rules,he told me that I should submit a report and I have done.

 
How can I defend myself in this situation when the staff member Sonder connected with whole problem removes comments which are very important? For now we shouldn't listen to you MrLongSlong because how can we trust somebody who always twist someone's words in his favour? Also referring to deleted Sonder's comment, some of people think that killing person before talking is lack of RP but you need to realize that somebody wearing white cotton vest and pants should listen to orders of two armed guys with long firearms. MrLongSlong had 12 sec to listen our orders, wasn't it enough? You don't know what we had on mind then, we wanted to talk with him after he would listen to our orders so it's only your problem. 

I am attaching the gmail notification where we see Sonder's comment

 
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@MrLongSlong I did not tell you that you should submit a report, I told you that you COULD submit a report. All I said as the closing statement of the chat was staff cannot hand out bans through TeamSpeak, you have to go through the Report a Player process nonetheless. If you twist my words again, I'll have to edit out every part where you mentioned me and got stuff wrong. 

I really wish I could have stayed out of this report, as I really did not have anything to do with it, but now that you've twisted what I said, I just have to step in and correct you.

@Hekster The reply I put in was a hidden reply for the staff that will review this report. Lets just keep it as that.

 
Sonder said:
@MrLongSlong I did not tell you that you should submit a report, I told you that you COULD submit a report. All I said as the closing statement of the chat was staff cannot hand out bans through TeamSpeak, you have to go through the Report a Player process nonetheless. If you twist my words again, I'll have to edit out every part where you mentioned me and got stuff wrong. 

I really wish I could have stayed out of this report, as I really did not have anything to do with it, but now that you've twisted what I said, I just have to step in and correct you.

@Hekster The reply I put in was a hidden reply for the staff that will review this report. Lets just keep it as that.
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I don't think you have understood the context in which I was mentioning you told me to submit a report, I was talking about me asking whether I had to submit a report to get any form of justice/compensation and you replied that I would, I did not mean it in the way that you originally purposed.

As well as this , You can't really wish you stayed out of this report, You where a key factor to me getting evidence etc if you had expressed this to me when we where talking about the report then I would have not have included that part, but in doing so would have felt like I was lying because I wasn't including a large part of what happend.

Hekster said:
How can I defend myself in this situation when the staff member Sonder connected with whole problem removes comments which are very important? For now we shouldn't listen to you MrLongSlong because how can we trust somebody who always twist someone's words in his favour? Also referring to deleted Sonder's comment, some of people think that killing person before talking is lack of RP but you need to realize that somebody wearing white cotton vest and pants should listen to orders of two armed guys with long firearms. MrLongSlong had 12 sec to listen our orders, wasn't it enough? You don't know what we had on mind then, we wanted to talk with him after he would listen to our orders so it's only your problem. 

I am attaching the gmail notification where we see Sonder's comment
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You have misunderstood the reason for reporting, I am reporting you because you shot at my helicopter disabling it with zero communication/initialisation from you or your friend ( as proven by the video ), I don't care that you killed me after I landed, that not the reason for the report.

 
Dear Admins and Hekster,

This is Rutkowski.

Firstly, let me get everything on the right track.

Everything that is not a violation of rules, is also not a subject to a ban.

Rules and every civil law determine limitations, not what is exactly allowed.

Current rules does not mention immobilising aircraft carriers.

We are not enterprises, nor companies. We are private persons, and we shall be treated as ones.

Secondly, let's define RDM, hence MrLongSlong does not possess a necessary knowledge to define RDM.

According to the rules:

https://www.roleplay.co.uk/rules/                Updated 07/06/2017

[SIZE=medium]"(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at [/SIZE]

someone




 
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[SIZE=medium]without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Countdowns[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]This rule is not applicable in the red zone."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]We did not shoot or intend to kill you at any given moment throughout our robbery roleplay action.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]The evidence clearly states that our only, and I repeat with full confidence, the ONLY purpose of shooting at the helicopter was to make it land which has successfully finished.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Going up to the air does not make you immune, that's not how RP works.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]The video clearly shows, that the helicopter's hull was untouched and the only target of shots was the rear rotor. (So you could safely land, and that was exactly what happened later).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]0:28 second of Hekster's video shows that I was not able to shoot anything but a rear rotor. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]1:55 second shows our next move after target didn't want to land and continuously avoided RP confrontation. You can also see that helicopters hull is intact and in anyway do I want to kill the target (look at the trace of bullets). I could have shot the main rotor and kill the [/SIZE] MrLongSlong, 

[SIZE=medium]but that was not my goal. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]2:08 I am fully engaged in roleplay, shouting like some secret service member as if he saw an enemy approaching the president, while he continuously shortens the distance complaining about a ban in game, -yes you read it right, ban in a game - that's bannable.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]We gave that moving piece of sandals 12 seconds. It didn't understand.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]~~~~~~~~~~[/SIZE]

What is probably the most important, is the fact, that he [SIZE=medium] obtained "his" evidence after lying to Sonder that he was uploading his video. Which was a lie because he had no video. Upload never happened. He tricked everybody. He lied everybody without a blink of an eye.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]In real life, evidence that was obtained by breaking the [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]law does not count. That's an important[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] thing to remember.[/SIZE]

Evidence of the defense was exposed only because of the abusement performed by MrLongSlong which was purposefully aimed at Admin and us.

Those documents would not be exposed unless that huge and disappointing fraud.

Therefore there would be no subject to the eventual ban, because of the lack of any evidence. I personally believe we are innocent.

Funny thing is that he is correcting Sonder about everything, twisting his words, building his own reality.

Liar, twister, and dodger. Those are the words that describe you, MrLongSlong. Those are facts.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Conclusion:

Helicopter, not person.

Something, not someone.

No rule about something.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

If we get banned, I am going to fill a lawsuit against MrLongSlong, and you are going to have a facial expression like that of your profile picture.

I will also not hesitate to add, that it all happened here, on that website. That information would be enclosed.

I am going to seek for help at Intellectual Property Office , as you took Hekster's video which has a full copyright protection and he did not give you a permission to copy it and store it on your computer. I am going to report it to the UK Police Crime Department in London, where I've been living recently. We will also see each other in a court of law.

I hope that doesn't happen.

Please accept the assurance of my highest consideration.

Yours sincerely,

Rutkowski

Addendum:

Introduction  

Copyright law originated in the United Kingdom from a concept of common law; the Statute of Anne 1709. It became statutory with the passing of the Copyright Act 1911. The current act is the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

Types of work protected

  1. Film  

    video footage, films, broadcasts and cable programmes.
The Copyright (Computer Programs) Regulations 1992 extended the rules covering literary works to include computer programs.

When rights occur

Copyright is an automatic right and arises whenever an individual or company creates a work. To qualify, a work should be regarded as original, and exhibit a degree of labour, skill or judgement.

Who owns a piece of work

Normally the individual or collective who authored the work will exclusively own the work and is referred to as the ‘first owner of copyright’ under the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act.

Restricted acts

It is an offence to perform any of the following acts without the consent of the owner:

Copy the work.

Rent, lend or issue copies of the work to the public.

Perform, broadcast or show the work in public.

Adapt the work.

The author of a work, or a director of a film may also have certain moral rights:

The right to be identified as the author.

Right to object to derogatory treatment.

 
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07ZglosSie said:
This is Rutkowski.

Firstly, let me get everything on the right track.

Everything that is not a violation of rules, is also not a subject to ban.

Rules and every civil law determine limitations, not what is exactly allowed.

Secondly, let's define RDM, hence MrLongSlong does not possess a necessary knowledge to define RDM.

According to the rules:

https://www.roleplay.co.uk/rules/                Updated 07/06/2017

[SIZE=medium]"(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Countdowns[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]This rule is not applicable in the red zone."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]We did not shoot or intend to kill you at any given moment throughout our robbery roleplay action.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]The evidence clearly states that our only, and I repeat with full confidence, the ONLY purpose of shooting at the helicopter was to make it land which has successfully finished.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Going up to the air does not make you immune, that's not how RP works.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]The video clearly shows, that the helicopter's hull was untouched and the only target of shots was the rear rotor. (So you could safely land, and that was exactly what happened later).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]0:28 second of Hekster's video shows that I was not able to shoot anything but a rear rotor. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]1:55 second shows our next move after target didn't want to land and continuously avoided RP confrontation. You can also see that helicopters hull is intact and in anyway do I want to kill the target (look at the trace of bullets). I could have shot the main rotor and kill the [/SIZE] MrLongSlong, 

[SIZE=medium]but that was not my goal. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]2:08 I am fully engaged in roleplay, shouting like some secret service member as if he saw an enemy approaching the president, while he continuously shortens the distance complaining about a ban in game, -yes you read it right, ban in a game - that's bannable.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]We gave that moving piece of sandals 12 seconds. It didn't understand.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]~~~~~~~~~~[/SIZE]

What is probably the most important, is the fact, that he [SIZE=medium] obtained "his" evidence after lying to Sonder that he was uploading his video. Which was a lie because he had no video. He tricked everybody. He lied everybody without any a blink of an eye.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]In real life, evidence that was obtained by breaking the [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]law does not count. That's an important[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] thing to remember.[/SIZE]

Evidence of the defense was exposed only because of the abusement performed by MrLongSlong which was purposefully aimed at Admin and us.

Those documents would not be exposed unless that huge and disappointing fraud.

Therefore there would be no subject to the eventual ban, because of the lack of any evidence. I personally believe we are innocent.

Funny thing is that he is correcting Sonder about everything, twisting his words, building his own reality.

Liar, twister, and dodger. Those are the words that describe you, MrLongSlong. Those are facts.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Conclusion:

Helicopter, not person.

Something, not someone.

No rule about something.

If we get banned, I am going to fill a lawsuit 

~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am going to seek for help at Intellectual Property Office , as you took Hekster's video which has a full copyright protection and he did not give you a permission to copy it and store it on your computer. I am going to report it to the UK Police Crime Department in London, where I've been living recently. We will also see each other in a court of law.

Introduction  

Copyright law originated in the United Kingdom from a concept of common law; the Statute of Anne 1709. It became statutory with the passing of the Copyright Act 1911. The current act is the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

Types of work protected

  1. Film  

    video footage, films, broadcasts and cable programmes.
The Copyright (Computer Programs) Regulations 1992 extended the rules covering literary works to include computer programs.

When rights occur

Copyright is an automatic right and arises whenever an individual or company creates a work. To qualify, a work should be regarded as original, and exhibit a degree of labour, skill or judgement.

Who owns a piece of work

Normally the individual or collective who authored the work will exclusively own the work and is referred to as the ‘first owner of copyright’ under the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act.

Restricted acts

It is an offence to perform any of the following acts without the consent of the owner:

Copy the work.

Rent, lend or issue copies of the work to the public.

Perform, broadcast or show the work in public.

Adapt the work.

The author of a work, or a director of a film may also have certain moral rights:

The right to be identified as the author.

Right to object to derogatory treatment.
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This is great, they should have this framed on the front of the website ,

Firstly the video possessed isn't yours the content in the video is property of the game developer, did you ask him to record on his game and use his content? 

 
MrLongSlong said:
This is great, they should have this framed on the front of the website ,

Firstly the video possessed isn't yours the content in the video is property of the game developer, did you ask him to record on his game and use his content? 
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Childish response, you won't get response.

Dear Admins and community,

If I record Trump Tower, the video is mine. Not Trump's.

Moreover, there is my voice in the video, I have full right to my voice, and every track, EVERY track with it is copyrighted. Same applies to Hekster.

Regards,

Rutkowski

 
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07ZglosSie said:
Childish response, you won't get response.

Dear Admins and community,

If I record Trump Tower, the video is mine. Not Trump's.

Moreover, there is my voice in the video, I have full right to my voice, and every track, EVERY track with it is copyrighted. Same applies to Hekster.

Regards,

Rutkowski
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Not that I want to glorify ur pathetic attempt at trying to intimidate me into deleting the report , but I also have full right to me own voice and I did not ( not that I shouldn’t need to seeing as though the server is public ) give you permission to use my voice in the video? Meaning the same applies to you.

 
07ZglosSie said:
If we get banned, I am going to fill a lawsuit against MrLongSlong, and you are going to have a facial expression like that of your profile picture.

I will also not hesitate to add, that it all happened here, on that website. That information would be enclosed.

I am going to seek for help at Intellectual Property Office , as you took Hekster's video which has a full copyright protection and he did not give you a permission to copy it and store it on your computer. I am going to report it to the UK Police Crime Department in London, where I've been living recently. We will also see each other in a court of law.

I hope that doesn't happen.

Please accept the assurance of my highest consideration.
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Concerning all involved users.

Just to address this since it's been dredged up in what I assume to be an attempt to hit the message home that you're not happy about this.

All issues, perceived or otherwise relating to the unpermitted download and further re-upload of another [Youtube] user's intellectual property, would be subject to the enforcement process laid out by Youtube in their own terms and conditions of use.

Roleplay.co.uk as an entity is not responsible for the enforcement of these terms and conditions and will not do so.

As such, the matter is irrelevant to the report at hand and I am now formally requesting you refrain from using our services (including forums, TS3, discord or any other services or game servers) in your pursuit of the matter. Please make arrangements to establish contact for this matter elsewhere. 

Continuing to discuss the matter mentioned above would be in breach of rule 1.4 as per our community rules and guidelines.

Thankyou for your cooperation.

 
Both Hekster and Rutkowski have been banned for seperate offences but would have been banned for this incident aswell. 

@07ZglosSie You're right there is nothing to discuss. the rule 2.2 Random deathmatch as you mentioned clearly states that "Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play is considered RDM" 
You shot at someone without engaging in any form of roleplay whether it was with the intent to kill or not it's still classed as RDM and you are certainly not given the right to shoot every airbourne vehicle simply because you can't talk to them. 

Secondly You also broke rule (7.1.3) Killing someone must be carried out with high quality roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. Executing another player must also be carried out with high quality roleplay, the only exception to this rule is if both you and the victim are engaged in a gunfight together 

Do you genuinely believe reapeatedly shouting "stop put your hands up or I shoot you" and then one of you shooting him when he's trying to speak too you is high quality roleplay? I'm going to give you a reality check and let you know it isn't, you had an option to roleplay and instead opted into shouting as loud as you could and then killing him before any prober interaction could have been made. 

Lastly from what i've been told @Hekster your attitude in the liason was appalling and your poor attitude is showing in the report aswell. 

As Edgar mentioned regarding the lawsuit threats. the copyright claims aren't related to RPUK in anyway shape or form, if you wish to take down the video that he's posted as you feel it violates the copyrights act feel free to file a copyright takedown through youtube's internal system. 

Action Taken against both Rutkowski and Hekster for rule 2.2 and rule 7.1.3 

Hekster

Steam ID: 76561198025348947
GUID: 9eab9dd1be0a55ff5a60f36a6e48f375

Rutkowski 

Steam ID: 76561198146365265
GUID: df9e5f061544f0fdea7e8b13d0312a3a

 
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