Report a Player - Robberyman McRob (Jamz) Cucaracha (Capt C) - RDM

[Kai]

Your In-game name

[LOV] Kaius

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Robberyman McRob (Jamz) Cucaracha (Capt C)

Date of the incident

05/23/2016

Time of the incident (GMT)

1721

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

[LOV] AntonW was flying his helicopter and as he was low on fuel he decided that he needed to land at a fuel station to fuel up. He decided that it would be easiest to land his helicopter at one of the nearby fuel station to refuel it. A car he was flying above for a while for fun followed him and shot warning shots at him when he tried to land. He then tried to relocate to another fuel station further down and the car decided that it would be fun to follow him and shoot even more warning shots at him.

After that they continued follow him back towards kora fuel again so he decided to call in help from his fellow gang members. He then landed his helicopter with backup from LOV and wanted to talk to these lads and ask them why they shot at him, and why they were following him.

Once the helicopter was on the ground two armed guys jumped out of a hatchback (sport), and we started talking to them. We had no intention of starting a gunfight with them, all we wanted was compensation for scaring out helicopter driver. This is when one of the lads said he had 150 Pounds on him and asked if that would be good. We agreed that it would be more than enough. (We also got a lockpick)

We were having some small talk until one guy decided that he wanted to start trouble even after we said that they could be on their way. As he initiated AntonW pulled his gun up and was just about to say “do you really want to do that” when both of us were shot dead before they could even finish saying what they were saying. As you can see in their video, AntonW did pull his gun up, but he didn’t fire his weapon until he got shot at, and was killed. As for me I was following every command I was given, yet I was shot dead within 4 seconds of getting told to put my hands up.

(AntonW typing now) As for the resolving of the issue we went into their channel to sort it out. We thought we were in the right and they strongly believed that they were in the right. After a bit of arguing Jamz joins starts explaining something. Here is when I did a small miss step because I wanted to put in a short comment on what he said before I forgot what I was going to say (I forget stuff very easily and I have a hard time concentrating as I have ADD) and I interrupt what he was saying by whispering “we never got the opportunity”, I apologized by saying “im sorry”. He then says “how rude” leaves and the rest of the people in there (Capt C, Woof and crumbs) starts saying how we are salty because we died and how the whole thing is a joke before they aswell leave the channel leaving the matter unresolved. I also sent messages saying that im sorry after he left in a pm on team speak.

PROOF:
Conversation with Jamz: http://prnt.sc/b7jqrq
Conversation with Capt C: http://prnt.sc/b7jqti
10 sec AntonW POV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auFHk4X50dY&feature=youtu.be
2 min AntonW POV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ibSqfSmAdY&feature=youtu.be
30 sec Capt C POV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKyQUsIoD0w&feature=youtu.be
Capt C’s loggins: http://prnt.sc/b7l9r2
Jamz’s loggins: http://prnt.sc/b7l9l4

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auFHk4X50dY&feature=youtu.be

This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Jamz]

Hi there, 

Unfortunately, you have clearly decided to report us even after we had spoke about this in Teamspeak and your gang members continuously interrupted myself when explaining our side. This is the reason I left the channel, and this is the reason that I said, "How rude" to [LOV] AntonW [Hersir] here.

As explained to you in Teamspeak, we wanted to rob the person in the helicopter however, within roleplay and our characters, decided to stall you whilst we waited for our "backup" to arrive to assist, (as we was clearly outnumbered).

Once we saw you and your friend lower your rifles and we had our guys setup around the local area (sneaky hidey spots) we initiated on you both and your friend decides to walk behind me, which is obviously a combat positional advantage, and points his rifle at me. Due to us already holding you both up and making it clear that we was robbing you, I took this as a threat to my life and you was shot for this alongside the man Capt C was holding up.

If AntonW was not so rude during the Teamspeak conversation we was having, this could have been resolved, however why must I spend time listening to you without saying a single word, if all you guys are gonna do is speak over me. He even says "sowwy" for it and then closed the chat on me. There was no further request for discussion.

Now, if we look closely at the rule you have accused myself and Capt C of breaking:

(2.2) RDM - Random Death Match Definition: Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban)

It clearly states (which I have highlighted in yellow for you) that for it to be RDM, there must be no quality roleplay. We was giving you quality roleplay, and you decide to get into a combat positional advantage and try and point your gun at my back. If it weren't for me turning around and acting fast, myself and Capt C would have been shot dead. Now, during the Teamspeak conversation, the person whom is behind myself says (paraphrased) "I raised my gun so we could further the rp" in which we replied (paraphrased), "How is making a threat to the people that are robbing you by sticking your gun up at us trying to further RP". 

AntonW did pull his gun up, but he didn’t fire his weapon until he got shot at, and was killed. As for me I was following every command I was given, yet I was shot dead within 4 seconds of getting told to put my hands up.

Regarding this, your yourself was shot dead as you both failed to comply and tried to be smart (however, clearly you was outsmarted). Who knew, you was still standing there with your gun lowered, and could have at any time risen it and shot. We was not going to take this chance.

"AntonW did pull his gun up" - Behind myself in a combat positional advantage state that made me fear for my life, so he was shot.

I do not see how this is RDM, and feel very annoyed that you would jump to a report like this, especially since I personally have been on Teamspeak throughout the entire day, and the only reason the discussion on Teamspeak failed was because your guys was being extremely rude.

May I also add this:

Which your guys was sending mine during the actual gunfight itself. This is breaking rule:

(4.1) Using or broadcasting intelligence on sidechat or teamspeak to influence actions in game. (Punishment is a kick/ban)

However, we decided to not take this anywhere and instead just informed [LOV] monk [Huskarl] not to do such a thing again. He understands

@Capt C might have further information however I believe I have covered the most parts.

 

[Thesoldier]

For the sake of Impartiality I'll ask for other staff to review this as well as myself. 

Other parties involved may bring forward any video evidence only if they have it, and Capt C may give his written/video testimony as well.

 

[AntonW]

Sorry for the time to took me to reply but it took alot of time to render the video and my internet died mid way.

That is a very long reply so I’ll start from the top and work my way down. Fortunaly for us we have the “resolving part” were they called us salty and were saying that this is a waste of time recorded so I will be posting the video of our whole conversation. Honestly yea I am sorry I interrupted you that’s why I said that I am sorry.

VIDEO: 

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(Important part is at the end of the video)

(Also to whoever thinks I shot first, look at capt C’s POV, look at the smoke coming from jamz barrel and look at my barrel.)

Please whoever will be looking at this look at the video, sure I was a bit pissed off and I maybe was a little rude but not so much that you need to leave the channel. Also telling us that we are salty and that this is a waste of time isn’t really the best resolving from your part either. (pay attention to the last part of the video)

Now for the second part

 “[SIZE=10pt]We was giving you quality roleplay, and you decide to get into a combat positional advantage and try and point your gun at my back.[/SIZE]”

I was just walking around after I got VDM’ed as you can see in my video, I had no idea that you were going to start threatening us. Nothing more to say about that. Also your point about how apparently pulling up my gun means that im going to kill you is also irrelevant, just cause I pull up my gun doesn’t mean im instantly going to shoot, hence it doesn’t make it ok for you to spray me down before you could even finish initiating on us or before I can even say anything. You will now never know what roleplay would have come out because you sprayed us down instantly.

Also you have nothing in defense to why you killed kaius, he was just standing there and he got sprayed down by Capt C the second you opened fire at me Jamz. Kaius was complying with the demands and still got sprayed down right after you got done talking, he cant effect the actions i did and still got killed instantly which therefore is fail rp.

Also the part about monk is irrelevant as he acted on his own. We told you this when we were resolving this with you guys, hence the monk part of your post has nothing to do on this ban report. Monk only sent the message to you guy because he didn’t want it to end up in a giant RDM battle. Because this is RDM, especially you spraying down Kaius for no reason at all.

What is always really important is that this is a high quality roleplay community and you as a staff member should absolutely agree with me if I say that we should put more effort into roleplay than what happend in this video

@Professor bobmarleywas contacted as a neutral staff regarding this.

[EDITED 22:45 23/05]

 

[Capt C]

Jamz pretty much covered it all. However you are bending the truth in my screenshot.

The conversation we attempted to have on TS became heated on both sides, so we decided to simply leave you to it and went back to another room and continued playing.

I became frustrated because at the time, I found it ridiculous that you wanted to discuss how we did things wrong, being pedantic regarding my initiation, implying I should have been more specific regarding my initiation (saying put your hands on your head and pointing a gun at you is not enough to get the point across that I will shoot you?).

I was still finishing my initiation with AntonW raises his weapon and starts moving around Jamz, even before my compliance is fully finished, as seen in my video. 

This to me further reinforces my point of view that he was going to spray us down, and the fact that he is trying to resolve it on TS saying he "wanted to roleplay" is something I believe is a lie. Someone who wants to Roleplay does not move in that way, nor raise their weapon when they have been told not to, they roleplay.

As for you Kaius, You did not comply, however neither did you make any movements or say anything. Had you said anything, I would not have shot you, unfortunately due to your partners actions, you were opened up to being shot dead. Dick move, but rebel life and I am sorry. We had a reasonable roleplay session beforehand. 

What REALLY annoys me however, is the fact that I believe you were misleading while trying to resolve.

- First telling us you wanted to roleplay, when videos from all sides show that you were acting aggressively, you didn't say a word, and were obviously about to spray us down. As shown through that aggressive act of non compliance. I simply think that is not true. 

- This is actually what happened for me trying to resolve it. Once we had all left the TS room to allow things to calm down, I messaged you this:

You disconnect a few seconds after my message, however you saw what I said, given you screenshotted it as part of your report, and included the video. I then waited 5 hours for a reply, and received none. 

All I have to say.

 

[AntonW]

- First telling us you wanted to roleplay, when videos from all sides show that you were acting aggressively, you didn't say a word, and were obviously about to spray us down. As shown through that aggressive act of non compliance. I simply think that is not true. 

- This is actually what happened for me trying to resolve it. Once we had all left the TS room to allow things to calm down, I messaged you this:

You disconnect a few seconds after my message, however you saw what I said, given you screenshotted it as part of your report, and included the video. I then waited 5 hours for a reply, and received none. 

One last reply on my part as i dont want this to turn into a flame war. In my video of the "resolvense" and in the sceenshot you posted you can clearly hear/see that you really though that you were in the right and that we were wrong, also you leaving in the middle of our conversation which is shown in my video makes us belive you dont want to discuess this any further as you all left the ts channel.

As for the reply below me, yea as you see in the video a resultion was not reached as you left us in the team speak channel, we even stayed there 10-15 min waiting to see if you would come back which you didnt.

[GOING TO BED]

 

[Capt C]

One last reply on my part as i dont want this to turn into a flame war. In my video of the "resolvense" and in the sceenshot you posted you can clearly hear/see that you really though that you were in the right and that we were wrong, also you leaving in the middle of our conversation sakes us belive you dont want to discuess this any further as you all left the ts channel.

Well we spoke on TS and although a resolution was not reached - we did discuss the issue. 

Having said that, I still find it ridiculous that this report has gone up, and I am very confident that had you won that combat situation, this would not have happened at all.

The dirty tactics such as insta decamp from a car that arrived on scene to spray down Jamz, to messaging one of us DURING the gunfight to stop us fighting, to seriously trying to tell me you wanted to ROLEPLAY when you raised a gun towards jamz when I am mid initiation and move round him... nah thanks

 

[Thesoldier]

Rejected

Farmer Giles, Edgar Ville, and Myself (Three imparial staff members) have all agreed this was not RDM.

Both parties had weapons at the low ready, there was roleplay before hand, and there was initation.