Report a player - Reece Dunn & Southside - GTA RP

[Willis]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Willis White
Reported Players: Reece Dunn & Southside
Date: Jan 20, 2025
Time: 00:10
What best describes this incident: (G1.2) Random Death Match (RDM) + (C2.2) Exploiting
Please (in detail) describe the incident: Around midnight, a mass gunfight broke out at Pillbox involving multiple gangs. G6 assisted the two or three police officers online in securing the injured inside and in front of the lobby. Given the limited number of officers available, I went around each bed to search the injured, confiscating any firearms, and releasing them without charge (the best police could do under the circumstances). After dealing with the last suspect, I met Roger Carpenter (DSU) in the garage, where he handed me the remaining items to take back to Mission Row. At this point I was carrying close to ten firearms.

I got into my fully blacked-out Audi RS3 and followed Roger out of the garage. Immediately I noticed someone with a rifle nearby. Seeing Roger drive forward I reversed back and closed the garage door, hoping to wait out the situation. While sitting at the back of the garage, I heard a couple of shots, waiting longer with no comms, before I realised what was happening I was bleeding out. I was completely confused as I had no idea what was going on. Although I heard shots outside no one communicated with the police and I later learned from Roger that all he heard was "hands up, hands up" before being shot.

I was then taken hostage, brought to a shady location and had a large portion of my inventory stripped from me. I’m not here to complain about what happened after that as I received decent roleplay despite the group’s clear intent being focused on what I had on me. I was eventually handed over to The Lost leading to a wild and chaotic experience that, while gruesome, ended my night on a high note with excellent roleplay. Unfortunately by the time the situation with The Lost ended it was well into the night. We arranged to meet in QE the next day and when I did Mazza who was upstairs during the start of the situation kindly got in touch with Proxy, who had killed me.

I’ve included two video links in this report. The first shows my perspective where at 4:20 you can see us leaving the garage and what followed. The second link shared by Reece Dunn (Proxy), shows his own perspective.

I’ve highlighted two rule breaks in this report as I believe they are both relevant.

The first is a (G1.2) Random Death Match (RDM). I was attacked without any form of engagement or quality roleplay. There were numerous other ways to gain the weapons I had without shooting someone in the head who posed no threat and without saying a word. Following a public gunfight, it would have been widely known that there were very few officers online at the time. If I had been surrounded and engaged properly I likely would have surrendered. From what I understand, Roger didn’t receive proper engagement either and was similarly killed without any meaningful interaction.

The second is a (C2.2) Exploiting which I have added for Reece Dunn specifically. After extensively reviewing the footage, I could not understand how I was headshot while sitting in a fully blacked-out Audi RS3. The car’s windows are so tinted that it’s impossible to see through them. I had been sitting in the back of the garage away from the commotion for a short time and completely out of sight. Reece’s footage only raised more questions. Even if it is possible to shoot through the garage window, his footage shows him aiming at me through a wall, firing quickly with minimal visibility of the car and immediately fleeing as though he knew I was down. The speed and precision were far too accurate, even for someone with significant gunfight experience.

I am not much of a "fragger" but others have suggested that this could involve ESP or other exploits, possibly with his recording equipment set not to capture it. However, I’ll leave this to those with more experience in dealing with such matters which is why I’ve escalated it to this report.

I must also apologise as I have recently been playing with my microphone and have forgotten to update OBS, hence my voice is not picked up. The only part I spoke after talking to Roger was by hitting my radio button a could of times mentioning only seeing someone with a gun then amongst Howards talk who had gone to a completely different situation. Later, when bleeding out for a while, I shouted to a medic that appeared, for help before he was chased away, hence the group could have overheard me when they broke in at the same time running up to my car.
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[Reece Dunn]

Hello Willis,
I thought we had a good conversation in liasion with eachother but thought i'd leave my note on the situation for whomever deals with it.

For some context as to why we were sat at pillbox we had earlier during the night had a run in with Grove when going to drop off one of our injured members which lead into a shootout as we had earlier on robbed members of Grove to then be let go at dodgy doctor. During this incident one of the Southside members went down and was taken into pillbox by police, being able to do nothing further at the time being we went to deal with those Grove we managed to pick up from the situation aswell as tend to the injured of our own.

As this situation had concluded we got information from Daley, whom was grabbed by police at pillbox that he had his weapons taken off him aswell as the grove members whom was caught at the same place, with this in mind we were set on getting the stuff back from one of the arresting officers, this lead to us loitering around pillbox in order to try and gain knowledge as to what officer had the equipment stored on them. It was at this moment you and Roger was seen inside the garage passing something to eachother, which we were lead to believe were the weapons we were looking for. And before we were able to set up a plan of getting inside to grab you both you started driving out of the garage, which lead to the first car being demanded to stop. Now I cannot answer for exactly what was said to Roger as I was not the one interacting with him, but from the information I got through radio he failed to do as told and managed to run over one of our members, leading into him getting shot. As mentioned to your personally in liasion I with this information only reacted and decided to shoot you as I had no knowledge of what you and Roger managed to pass onto eachother information wise which could've been relayed to more officers leading to only more police showing up to the scene, something we ideally did not want.

Now from the way you explained your side in liasion I can see how you were unsatisfied with the way you got shot as from your POV the situation sure did get cut short, something both me and Mazza made sure to apologize for as we had no intention of cutting anyones roleplay short, we're here to create roleplay that is enjoyable for both parties and I hope that from the medical RP you recieved from us later on you feel you could atleast get some form of roleplay in that may have been lacking from the start of the situation. This is something we'll have to take with us as a group moving forward to try and ensure that if a simular situation occur again we can execute it in a higher regard to roleplay where you in this example dont feel shut out of the experience.

As for the C2.2 mention I'll say the same thing that I told you in liasion, you were sat in a stationary car and was not seen exiting the vehicle, for anyone that have had a lot of gunfights in cars this is a rather easy shot to take as you more or less learn where a driver is seated in a car, whether the windows are tinted or not.

Regards,
Reece

 

[Willis]

both you started driving out of the garage, which lead to the first car being demanded to stop. Now I cannot answer for exactly what was said to Roger as I was not the one interacting with him, but from the information I got through radio he failed to do as told and managed to run over one of our members, leading into him getting shot. As mentioned to your personally in liasion I with this information only reacted and decided to shoot you as I had no knowledge of what you and Roger managed to pass onto eachother information wise which could've been relayed to more officers leading to only more police showing up to the scene, something we ideally did not want.

Now from the way you explained your side in liasion I can see how you were unsatisfied with the way you got shot as from your POV the situation sure did get cut short, something both me and Mazza made sure to apologize for as we had no intention of cutting anyones roleplay short, we're here to create roleplay that is enjoyable for both parties and I hope that from the medical RP you recieved from us later on you feel you could atleast get some form of roleplay in that may have been lacking from the start of the situation. This is something we'll have to take with us as a group moving forward to try and ensure that if a simular situation occur again we can execute it in a higher regard to roleplay where you in this example dont feel shut out of the experience.

Hello Reece,

Thank you for taking the time to reply and understanding my view of the situation. You mentioned you heard what happened with roger over the radio and that he got shot. I just have a couple of questions regarding this. Initially I would like to ask if you know who passed you this message over the radio so we can include them in this discussion and if it was the same person who shot him, if not who it was who did? It seems like Roger may have not even had enough time to have told me what happened unfortunately. I would also like to understand your thoughts to what happened, did Roger pose a direct threat to your gang here? Did you consider this as engaging in a firefight with the whole police service? Did you think I put your own life was at risk? Did you think this was realistic?

If anyone has any video of what happened from your side it would greatly help give a better view from your side and what happened to Roger.

I appreciate the apology and that you attempted to make up for what happened through the medical later on, most of this could have been avoided altogether especially after your group saw how few police attended your gang fight or the wards thereafter. We are here to roleplay in the end of the day not to create endless gunfights.

As for the C2.2 mention I'll say the same thing that I told you in liasion, you were sat in a stationary car and was not seen exiting the vehicle, for anyone that have had a lot of gunfights in cars this is a rather easy shot to take as you more or less learn where a driver is seated in a car, whether the windows are tinted or not.

As I stated before how I was headshot confused me, and viewing the footage only left more questions than answers. My only thought was what I saw was not natural, something did not quite seem right which I have never seen before on the server even for someone experienced in gunfights. To me it looks like you aimed at where I was through the wall, you shoot me through a very small horizontal area in the window, you immediately knew I was 100% dead even radioing it in afterwards when there were no indications of it what so ever.

Do you use any sort of overlays on FiveM? Anything that assists / changes gunfights?

 

[Reece Dunn]

Hello Reece,

Thank you for taking the time to reply and understanding my view of the situation. You mentioned you heard what happened with roger over the radio and that he got shot. I just have a couple of questions regarding this. Initially I would like to ask if you know who passed you this message over the radio so we can include them in this discussion and if it was the same person who shot him, if not who it was who did? It seems like Roger may have not even had enough time to have told me what happened unfortunately. I would also like to understand your thoughts to what happened, did Roger pose a direct threat to your gang here? Did you consider this as engaging in a firefight with the whole police service? Did you think I put your own life was at risk? Did you think this was realistic?

If anyone has any video of what happened from your side it would greatly help give a better view from your side and what happened to Roger.

I appreciate the apology and that you attempted to make up for what happened through the medical later on, most of this could have been avoided altogether especially after your group saw how few police attended your gang fight or the wards thereafter. We are here to roleplay in the end of the day not to create endless gunfights.

The message that got passed over radio was more or less just a confirmation that Roger in this instance had been gunned down as he plowed into one of our members in what I would guess and attempt to escape the scene, which is aswell as not listeing to the demands what lead to him getting shot. Now I would assume his plan of escaping would be due to not knowing we had more members further down the road keeping an eye out incase other units were to show up during the situation. I'm not sure who it was that passed on this message as the situation escalated rather quickly, nor would it have changed the outcome as to why he got shot in this instance, I can try and see if there's possibly anone with a different POV from this situation that may give a little more insight as to what went down prior to you getting gunned down.

You're not wrong in mentioning that there was little police showing up to the initial situation at pillbox, however as it was put on what I would guess was a lockdown (seeing as how the front and back doors got locked) after we have no idea of knowing how many would actually be inside or not, there may aswell have been multiple units on standby inside as there were multiple gang members getting treatment. I would say with this in mind aswell as the situation that we had just moments earlier the tension was still quite high, which may or may not have lead to rushed decisions. I would like to point out though that from the footage you provided yourself it seems as you were trying to get onto another radio frequency to call for backup to the location, which was one of the points I tried raising during the liasion as to why the shooting "kept going" once it had already started with your fellow officer being gunned down. Not by any means trying to "swoop it under the rug" as I do agree we defo could've done more to provide a more enjoyable situation on your end, just want to make it as clear as possible for whomever is dealing with this what was going on in our minds with all that had occured previously the same night. Let's just say tensions this evening was kind of at an all high.

As I stated before how I was headshot confused me, and viewing the footage only left more questions than answers. My only thought was what I saw was not natural, something did not quite seem right which I have never seen before on the server even for someone experienced in gunfights. To me it looks like you aimed at where I was through the wall, you shoot me through a very small horizontal area in the window, you immediately knew I was 100% dead even radioing it in afterwards when there were no indications of it what so ever.

Do you use any sort of overlays on FiveM? Anything that assists / changes gunfights?

I could sit here trying to argue my point as to how I and everyone I have spoken to see nothing out of the ordinary with the clip as in our eyes the shot is nothing special, the car was stationary afterall giving me more or less unlimited time to line up a shot, had I needed it. However, that won't change your opinion on the matter and i'll just choose to repsect your view upon it and leave it for someone else to judge as I don't suppose we'll be seeing eye to eye on this matter.

Now as to me calling out the "kill" or w/e you'd like to call it, as mentioned in my previous reply as well as I touched on briefly in the liasion we had been sat crouched outside the garage door for quite some time watching you and Roger, this meant that we knew neither one of you were wearing any HA, which means a shot to the head = dead. Now to the point of there being "no indications" of you being downed, after I had shot you there was not a single movement made by either driving/exiting the vehicle, well, let's just say anything at all that would indicate you still being up, something which was confirmed to us upon entering through the doors as you were heard calling for the paramedic as we approached your car.

Now onto your last point, I do use an external crosshair when I play, hudsight to be exact. I guess you could argue this gives an advantage when it comes to lining up shots as I always have the "centre" of my screen marked, however this is something a good majority of the server use and from what I know there hasn't been anything said yet that doesn't allow the usage of them anymore.


With that said, have a good rest of your day/evening, if there's anything else you'd like to discuss feel free to ask.

Regards,
Reece

 

[Merek]

Hi @Willis & @Reece Dunn,

I appreciate the very mature and well-worded messages. Before this becomes walls of text for whichever staff member deals with this, would you be open to another liaison to try and come to a resolution?

 

[Reece Dunn]

Hi @Willis & @Reece Dunn,

I appreciate the very mature and well-worded messages. Before this becomes walls of text for whichever staff member deals with this, would you be open to another liaison to try and come to a resolution?

Hello Merek,
I'm able to hop into a liasion to try and resolve the situation if Willis feels up for it

 

[Willis]

Hi @Willis & @Reece Dunn,

I appreciate the very mature and well-worded messages. Before this becomes walls of text for whichever staff member deals with this, would you be open to another liaison to try and come to a resolution?

I would be happy to another liaison however ultimately I would like to leave this report up for a staff decision. In the end of the day the majority reason of this report is to create awareness of these scenarios happening and prevent them in future.

 

[Willis]

We had a quick chat in QE again but didn’t realise a staff meeting was happening at the same time. If you think it would help to talk with staff present, please let us know.

I’ve explained that I think both sides have been clearly laid out. We both understand the situation could have been handled differently, and at this point, I don’t feel there’s anything more to add that would be beneficial. I do appreciate Reece’s understanding and being of sound mind when dealing with this.