Report a player - Price & whoever was involved on radio in the decision to taze the Balla - GTA RP

[Mazza]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Mason Mack
Reported Players: Price & whoever was involved on radio in the decision to taze the Balla
Date: Mar 29, 2025
Time: 21:15
What best describes this incident: G1.3, G2.12
Please (in detail) describe the incident: Ballas was selling at the hotzone at Mara turf where feds sat and waited and done absolutely nothing other than sitting watching Ballas and some Mara sell drugs. Ballas then left and went back to turf, feds then came to Ballas turf and started setting up all over roofs and allowed them self into the car park. The first clip is a chat on top of one of the roofs where some ballas and some police was together. Dwayne asks the police what is going on and how do we stop this escalating. They made it clear it was to do with selling drugs and Dwayne said we would stop, which sounds all good at this point. It then goes forward not even 5 minutes later which is where my clip now starts and it becomes clear that no matter our actions in roleplay that we would be engaged with. Price decided to state that no matter what if we don't stand aside (which we was already doing, and even if we did move further what is the difference between 10-20 metres) that we would be detained. We asked for warrants asking if this was lawful and badge numbers and neither was shown or barely talked about. I completely understand that this part would be an RP issue but the reason I am stating this is purely for the fact of that no matter what the police and specifically Price was going to do that they was willing to bypass laws to make sure that there was a situation of conflict about to go down. As the baiting rule states "Taking deliberate actions to create a scenario where you get chased or engaged with, especially to cause a firefight." There was a call on Balla radio to potentially leave however I knew that if we was to leave they could potentially be raiding the property which would of led to Ballas losing stuff to an unlawful raid so I decided to go and ask what the investigation would ensue where I was met with they will not be able to reveal details of the investigation which is fair and I also said about a warrant to do any of this and again there was no real answer. This is then when Price talks to somebody on radio and they come to the conclusion that Tom Deck needed to step off of his bike and this is where I feel the baiting rulebreak happens.

In QE it was mentioned that they had been following Tom for 40 minutes (definitely some time to make a move in that 40 minutes). My issue with choosing this moment in the clip where it happens is that no matter the outcome there was going to be a firefight. They have unlawfully entered private property with no details and warrants to conduct an "investigation" and then all of a sudden to needing Tom Deck to get off of his bike. It's unbelivably lazy and forced to go ahead with their plans there and then. The police are a faction that should deal the utmost high quality RP and I believe that there was chances to make a move at Mara turf or on the way to Balla turf, and if they didn't feel there was then that's fine but there is also chances after tonight which is where I'm trying to make a point. Most importantly police have the most resources at their disposal and I think that a situation like this should not have to happen on the spot. If Tom Deck was the most wanted criminal in the city or had 50 million charges against him and he is extremely elusive or they never get a chance to make a move on him then fair enough but he isn't the most wanted criminal and he doesn't have 50 million charges. Now I believe the right move to make here as the police force would have been to potentially set up some kind of sting operation over the next few days, maybe get the police active around prime time, find the hotzones, put a marker on Tom's cars or anyone they may want, look for the right opportunities to complete their operation with good RP. Not bully their way onto a gang turf with no details or information, contradict themselves and not follow laws. It is completely lazy RP from Price and whoever else was involved and to me no matter what there would be a firefight by tasing a Balla infront of the rest of his gang inside his own turf.
Link(s) To Any Evidence: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/jYX7WIT7iuBhgCBag?invite=cr-MSxVeFUsOTkyMjAzNQ
https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/jYXfa4I8Shcml5e4J?invite=cr-MSwydDksOTkyMjAzNQ
(edited to add 2nd clip)

 

[Price - Robz]

The decision to strike was based on preparation, location, and containment. After tracking movements across multiple locations, the most feasible option was your compound. Within the roleplay, I even directed you all to one side to make the execution smoother. Once officers secured surrounding rooftops, we acted.


On the allegation of "baiting"—how can we bait you when we had a clear target? We identified who we needed, waited for an advantageous location, and executed accordingly. If anything, let’s discuss why you find it acceptable to sell in front of officers while being watched. Each time police intervene, the response is threats and shootings, so criticizing our roleplay as "lazy" feels misplaced. You’ve even attempted to "tax" officers for driving through your turf—borderline ridiculous.


The person we pursued committed a serious crime inside the police station, warranting maximum force. I will review any footage I have or wait for other officers’ POVs to highlight the full extent of the roleplay.


Throughout your clip, the primary objective was to "spray down" officers. More dynamic roleplay opportunities were available, but your fixation on shooting cops overrode them. You had the option to leave, yet you chose escalation. Your own member acknowledged being seen selling, meaning an arrest was inevitable.


"Baiting" and "poor roleplay" are weak arguments when people knowingly commit crimes and then get upset about the consequences. This has been a recurring pattern.

 

[Stuart]

Thank you for taking the time to make a report @Mazza

Few questions I have with the above to try and get some understanding here

We asked for warrants asking if this was lawful and badge numbers and neither was shown or barely talked about. I completely understand that this part would be an RP issue but the reason I am stating this is purely for the fact of that no matter what the police and specifically Price was going to do that they was willing to bypass laws to make sure that there was a situation of conflict about to go down.

With this yes this is a roleplay issue if someone doesn't provide a badge number or a warrant however you can hear in your own clip at 1:18 where the badge numbers we're asked for and Price did say after they have finished with the investigation they would be provided, However within a roleplay sense you knew who Price was. So could you explain here what you mean by "Price was going to do that they was willing to bypass laws to make sure that there was a situation of conflict"?

I knew that if we was to leave they could potentially be raiding the property which would of led to Ballas losing stuff to an unlawful raid

I'd like to know why you believe this would of happened? If an unlawful raid did happen for example would that not too be a roleplay issue?

My issue with choosing this moment in the clip where it happens is that no matter the outcome there was going to be a firefight.

There didn't have to be a gunfight, One person was tased by your own words that was being watched for around 40 minutes or so, So could you explain why you did decide to pull a gun and attempt to shoot police?

They have unlawfully entered private property with no details and warrants to conduct an "investigation" and then all of a sudden to needing Tom Deck to get off of his bike.

This would be a roleplay issue and not a rules issue.

The police are a faction that should deal the utmost high quality RP and I believe that there was chances to make a move at Mara turf or on the way to Balla turf

Whilst yes factions should provide high quality roleplay, The way you are trying to paint this is that it's all on the police? Shouldn't whitelisted gangs do the same? Do you have video of what happened at Mara?

@Price - Robz Do you have any footage from mara turf or any from your side in this whole situation too please?

 

[Mazza]

The decision to strike was based on preparation, location, and containment.

I mean that's got to be a joke right mate? Preperation maybe, I wouldn't know your prep but location and containment was actually considered and you still went for it?

the most feasible option was your compound.

Honestly I do struggle to see how this is so and it does seem worrying if that's the case. What's the rush?

I even directed you all to one side to make the execution smoother

At the point of asking badge numbers a Balla clearly said we will move over if you give your badge number, you still didn't do so, so did you actually want us to move or create a bigger situation?

how can we bait you when we had a clear target?

I really don't want to keep quoting every sentence but seems there's a lot of answers. If the target was so clear the other officers clearly had no clue and it seemed to take you a while to do the identifying so doesn't seem that clear in my opinion.

If anything, let’s discuss why you find it acceptable to sell in front of officers while being watched.

People are making a living mate, we don't get paid just to turn up to work. Turning up just to sit there obviously they will carry on, if a move was made then they wouldn't be selling would they.

You’ve even attempted to "tax" officers for driving through your turf—borderline ridiculous.

Come on it's clearly a joke, Police have never paid "tax" and nothing has ever come from them not paying "tax". You should try to have a laugh sometimes mate.

The person we pursued committed a serious crime inside the police station, warranting maximum force.

Honestly I don't disagree warranting maximum force but maximum force doesn't mean it's gotta be done right here right now and by any means necessary, I feel like that's just the excuse to cause the shit show what happened. Maximum force would be warranted on any occassion you would see Tom and just because he's in your sights at that moment doesn't mean it's right to do so. I do wonder though, I would assume you wanted to get a nice smooth arrest with no firefight right? And you expected this to happen after tazing him infront of us while just before trying to threaten arresting every Balla that wouldn't do what you said. Doesn't seem like it adds up personally.

Throughout your clip, the primary objective was to "spray down" officers. More dynamic roleplay opportunities were available, but your fixation on shooting cops overrode them. You had the option to leave, yet you chose escalation. Your own member acknowledged being seen selling, meaning an arrest was inevitable.

It clearly wasn't, calls to shoot was made after you decided to come onto our turf like you own the place and again threatened, didn't answer questions and bypassed laws while doing so. There was no other roleplay opportunities available other than one which was to leave, and I stated in the original post why that wasn't taken (due to the position you put us in). And to the last point, you're right he had been selling but creating a mass firefight in gang turf full of gang members you think makes sense? Why are you so eager? Where is the patience? Police are more than capable to conduct longer term RP with the resources they have which is the point I'm trying to make with this report, you know you will have other opportunities but you forced this route to happen. You wasn't even close to completing what you've said you set out to do and it so obviously clear that it was only going to end in a firefight.

"Baiting" and "poor roleplay" are weak arguments when people knowingly commit crimes and then get upset about the consequences. This has been a recurring pattern.

Mate nobody is upset, we want roleplay that makes sense. Not roleplay that is forced upon us with poor lead up and little to no common sense through out.

 

[Mazza]

Hello Stuart,

With this yes this is a roleplay issue if someone doesn't provide a badge number or a warrant however you can hear in your own clip at 1:18 where the badge numbers we're asked for and Price did say after they have finished with the investigation they would be provided, However within a roleplay sense you knew who Price was. So could you explain here what you mean by "Price was going to do that they was willing to bypass laws to make sure that there was a situation of conflict"?

So in regards to this point as I've just replied to Price above, the Balla asks for the badge number and we would do as he asked, it's 4 numbers that he knows off by heart but he wanted to antagonize us by not doing so, as I said again before if he actually wanted us to move over why not do one simple thing as we asked? In terms of the bypassing laws to make sure there was a situation of conflict, he has come onto private property with a full gang of members there with no warrant.

I'd like to know why you believe this would of happened? If an unlawful raid did happen for example would that not too be a roleplay issue?

As I said mate it is a roleplay issue, but in roleplay if an unlawful raid happened we wouldn't be seeing any illegal weapons or drugs ever coming back, this explains us not leaving turf and basically having to defend it, again leaving us no other opportunities to do anything other than fight.

There didn't have to be a gunfight, One person was tased by your own words that was being watched for around 40 minutes or so, So could you explain why you did decide to pull a gun and attempt to shoot police?

Stuart, if a member of the police had any kind of weapon pulled on their colleague, what would they do? At the end of the day we're pretty much the biggest gang in the city right now, we have no knowledge of whats going on, we've been railed up in our own turf, armed police set up on roofs aiming assault rifles at us, the real question is why would I or any of the other Balla members not pull a gun and attempt to shoot police to defend what we see as our home? What would happen if we come to the police station and done this or we came to someones house and done this? Everyone in this same situation is going to defend their people and their property.

This would be a roleplay issue and not a rules issue.

As I've said it's a roleplay issue but where is the line where it crosses over in to being a rule issue? The issue isn't that they've not abided by the law its the fact that they've done it to create a mass gunfight that was obviously going to be unsuccessful and again as the G1.3 rule states "Taking deliberate actions to create a scenario where you get engaged with, especially to cause a firefight."

Whilst yes factions should provide high quality roleplay, The way you are trying to paint this is that it's all on the police? Shouldn't whitelisted gangs do the same? Do you have video of what happened at Mara?

I don't feel I'm trying to paint it that way I feel that's exactly what happened. We tried to de-escalate it on the roof, we tried to de-escalate it by asking for the badge number and moving aside. I'm assuming by you saying "Shouldn't whitelisted gangs do the same?" you are saying we done something wrong? What is it that you think we done wrong? I do not have a video of what happened at Mara, I don't sell drugs so I wouldn't usually be at a hotzone, I asked multiple of the Ballas that was there and they said nothing really happened, Police just sat and watched and at the end of the zone a couple of the boys saw some of the Police decamp with tazers but nothing was said from any of the Police.

 

[Price - Robz]

@Stuart These are the two clips I have so far—I’m still looking for the rest since they’re in other folders.


Clip 1:

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Shows me and another officer confirming the target wasn’t on their turf. After that, we were requested by TFC to assist at Marabunta, where they were openly selling in front of police.


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Confirms they were blatantly selling in front of officers with no regard, essentially baiting. Once dispersed, I used the opportunity to go after the wanted individual for PWITS and another offense committed in the station (I can send that directly, along with NPAS intelligence showing them selling at multiple locations before returning to their turf). The evidence against the group was already overwhelming, and their actions only reinforced it.


Regarding police presence on "turf"—officers still have a job to do, just like when Grove shot at police and action was taken. Also, the "badge number" argument doesn’t hold since you know my name and others on the force. You would’ve gotten the info if you’d waited.


Lastly, I’d appreciate it if you and your members kept OOC comments out of active RP scenes. If there’s an issue, take it to TS or DC after—it’s unnecessary and just disrupts the scene. We’re all adults, let’s keep it professional.


https://gyazo.com/0a5e70f2e5fedef208fbc598ab6aaab2

 

[Stuart]

Thank you for providing the additional videos from your POV and @Price - Robz Helps build a bigger picture of the full situation and what lead up to this and in turn helping with an outcome to the report on top of what was originally provided.

So in regards to this point as I've just replied to Price above, the Balla asks for the badge number and we would do as he asked, it's 4 numbers that he knows off by heart but he wanted to antagonize us by not doing so, as I said again before if he actually wanted us to move over why not do one simple thing as we asked? In terms of the bypassing laws to make sure there was a situation of conflict, he has come onto private property with a full gang of members there with no warrant.

In this yes yous did ask for the badge number however it is also mentioned that they needed a warrant to simply be in the area and also not listening to the officers. From watching Price and other officers we're trying to get you to move back from them so it didn't escalate in forms of being cuffed. With the badge number it is a roleplay issue as a whole however it was stated you would receive this once the investigation was finished.

Answer me this, If someone commits a crime in front of the police what do you expect them to do?

As I said mate it is a roleplay issue, but in roleplay if an unlawful raid happened we wouldn't be seeing any illegal weapons or drugs ever coming back, this explains us not leaving turf and basically having to defend it, again leaving us no other opportunities to do anything other than fight.

You wasn't asked to leave fully by the police, However you we're asked to move away from the officers. Assuming a raid was happening and it actually happening are two different things. Knowing what the balla's we're doing before hand however you must of knew there would be repercussions. I know if I was selling in front of police wearing items I always do I'd expect something in return for me being so brazen.

Stuart, if a member of the police had any kind of weapon pulled on their colleague, what would they do? At the end of the day we're pretty much the biggest gang in the city right now, we have no knowledge of whats going on, we've been railed up in our own turf, armed police set up on roofs aiming assault rifles at us, the real question is why would I or any of the other Balla members not pull a gun and attempt to shoot police to defend what we see as our home? What would happen if we come to the police station and done this or we came to someones house and done this? Everyone in this same situation is going to defend their people and their property.

Indeed, I somewhat get where you are coming from however we know from the get go you wanted to shoot police before this even happened. Within your own video at 1:20 you can hear price stating you will get the badge number after they have finished their investigation. Within 10 seconds you decided to ask for permission to "Shotgun him". Saying now well "They pulled a weapon first" "They we're the ones who escalated this" wouldn't make much sense given what can be heard.

From the way you are outlining everything comes across that you expect a raid to happen however from your own POV the police we're only looking for one person. If a raid was happening then all Balla members would be cuffed and more officers in and around the compound no?

As I've said it's a roleplay issue but where is the line where it crosses over in to being a rule issue? The issue isn't that they've not abided by the law its the fact that they've done it to create a mass gunfight that was obviously going to be unsuccessful and again as the G1.3 rule states "Taking deliberate actions to create a scenario where you get engaged with, especially to cause a firefight."

You can clearly see there was no baiting from the videos Price has provided and they had a reason to be there and one person they we're looking for. I cannot say 100% on this is what can and cannot happen since all situations and roleplay and it's unfair to limit roleplay expectations and the way this can happen.

Are you trying to tell me Price and the police was the ones trying to cause a gunfight and not yourself by asking if you can shotgun them? It seems like your mind was pretty set on what would happen before the police took any actions to have Tom come off his bike.

I don't feel I'm trying to paint it that way I feel that's exactly what happened. We tried to de-escalate it on the roof, we tried to de-escalate it by asking for the badge number and moving aside. I'm assuming by you saying "Shouldn't whitelisted gangs do the same?" you are saying we done something wrong? What is it that you think we done wrong? I do not have a video of what happened at Mara, I don't sell drugs so I wouldn't usually be at a hotzone, I asked multiple of the Ballas that was there and they said nothing really happened, Police just sat and watched and at the end of the zone a couple of the boys saw some of the Police decamp with tazers but nothing was said from any of the Police.

I'm saying if you are trying to hold one side accountable and saying "Well police are whitelisted they should do better", Well in the same strides shouldn't whitelisted gangs? The way this report has been painted is police are the ones who wanted a gunfight by any means and let the roleplay aspect decline, However from pointing out in the videos provided we can see it was yourself who wanted to shoot Price and the other firearms officer when they we're roleplaying with you and not really in an aggressive manner. Roleplay should be the first thing in all of our minds.

Going from you asking other members, Didn't anyone say well we we're selling in front of the police and well now here we are, This is our doing and the police are now here. I'd like to know why you wanted to shoot them before anything even happened after what happened at Mara.

Lastly, I’d appreciate it if you and your members kept OOC comments out of active RP scenes. If there’s an issue, take it to TS or DC after—it’s unnecessary and just disrupts the scene. We’re all adults, let’s keep it professional.


https://gyazo.com/0a5e70f2e5fedef208fbc598ab6aaab2

Finally this, OOC isn't a place for getting a jab at others it's used for help and or to ask people to come to a liaison after a roleplay situation has finished. I'll leave this hear as a warning on hopes it stops.

 

[Mazza]

Confirms they were blatantly selling in front of officers with no regard, essentially baiting.

Not sure about this one chief, as I said people are making money, not purposely doing it to be chased or engaged with, there is a difference in mindset here.

From watching clip 2 I do respect that as soon as you pulled up on scene at Mara you did try to make a move which all of the other officers had to failed to up until that point.

Regarding police presence on "turf"—officers still have a job to do

I have no doubt that Police have a job to do and this isn't my issue I think the majority of situations always makes sense but this did not to me. My point which I will state again as it's not seemed to be touched on at all still is what is the rush? Why did Tom need to be tazed off of his bike there and then on that night just because he was in your sights? Why not wait until tomorrow or another day when it would 90% more likely would have made sense, maybe catch him on his own or with less Balla's around, maybe in a public place or at a selling spot. How did it make sense to go forth with plans when you must know that we aren't going to let you take a member of ours right in front of us? It is not out of the ordinary for Police and Ballas to butt heads and you out of everyone should know Ballas would react this way.

Also, the "badge number" argument doesn’t hold since you know my name and others on the force. You would’ve gotten the info if you’d waited.

Again with this one it's not about if we know you or we would have gotten the info if we waited. It's a respect thing, if you want something done that is already pushing your luck (by just entering turf and calling out demands) then why when we give a counter - give us this one thing and we will do your one thing, you decided the best option would be to say wait until after? Especially something as simple as your badge number, it's like you were trying to purposely not respect our wishes to rail us up.

Answer me this, If someone commits a crime in front of the police what do you expect them to do?

I expect them to do their job and that is trying to arrest a suspect or suspects in the safest and appropriate way possible. I don't think PWITS alone is enough to even come close to rolling onto a gang turf to arrest someone with all of their members around. And going forward from that as it wasn't just PWITS and it was known that Tom had shot someone inside the Police station as well then surely him and his group (which should already definitely be known) will be super high risk meaning if you harm one of their members there's most likely going to be a firefight.

Knowing what the balla's we're doing before hand however you must of knew there would be repercussions. I know if I was selling in front of police wearing items I always do I'd expect something in return for me being so brazen.

Of course Stuart I'm not saying I don't expect repercussions, I've been around long enough to know that but I've also been around for times when I've been caught with my pants down on my own or when I'm alone with a few other members and I've had no chance and Police have executed a good plan where they win the situation using good strategy and patience instead of "if it goes south just respawn or go to hospital".

Within 10 seconds you decided to ask for permission to "Shotgun him". Saying now well "They pulled a weapon first" "They we're the ones who escalated this" wouldn't make much sense given what can be heard.

from the get go you

Definitely wasn't from the get go as it happened just after he blatantly denied a request that was more than reasonable. Also after him stating pretty much "we will detain all of you" (which is escalating the situation), doesn't really make sense to say this to a gang, maybe to civs but not to a gang. As for the previous quoted message, my mindset behind this is if he wants to be unreasonable and disrespectful while trespassing I will take his life, I clearly switched from shouting on to whisper meaning no Police could have possibly heard me so I don't think we can call that escalation in terms of the whole situation and you're only hearing it because I've provided my clip, it was more so preperation as for whats about to happen and to let other Balla members know that wasn't in ear shot to be ready and what the Ballas on the frontline's mindset was. After that little chat it become very clear very quickly that no matter what there was going to be conflict. As I said before when it's as easy as just respawn or go to hospital people don't take into account the effect the roleplay has on criminals that put endless time into building their character up.

Are you trying to tell me Price and the police was the ones trying to cause a gunfight and not yourself by asking if you can shotgun them? It seems like your mind was pretty set on what would happen before the police took any actions to have Tom come off his bike.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Like I've just said mate, it's easy enough to say this after hearing my clip and of course I'm going to be ready once it became clear it was only going one way. The main fact is that I didn't shotgun him and no Police heard me saying about shotgunning him so it had no bearing on the situation. It continued as if I hadn't said it and he was still tazed.

The way this report has been painted is police are the ones who wanted a gunfight by any means and let the roleplay aspect decline

I mean it's not really good roleplay as a Police officer to bypass laws and trespass to complete your operation is it? Because even if we went to report an officer, the situation is still going to happen.

However from pointing out in the videos provided we can see it was yourself who wanted to shoot Price and the other firearms officer when they we're roleplaying with you and not really in an aggressive manner. Roleplay should be the first thing in all of our minds.

Definitely not aggressive but disrespectful 100%. I think roleplay should definitely be the first thing in everyones minds and maybe roleplaying from a Police point of view "if we go forward with this I think it's likely to be unsuccessful so let's look for other ways on how we can get our man" would definitely be thought of. I do think if this situation would have happened and Tom was managed to be arrested and got out of the situation I also think this would make a massive difference and I wouldn't have reported this.

Going from you asking other members, Didn't anyone say well we we're selling in front of the police and well now here we are, This is our doing and the police are now here. I'd like to know why you wanted to shoot them before anything even happened after what happened at Mara.

Firstly I've stated my mindset behind asking to shoot above. The thing is if we're going off of strictly what you have said here which is what we was doing in RP it's extremely hard to sit back and say well PWITS entitles Police trespassing onto turf and tazing and arresting one of our members in front of us while also being disrespecful. If situations was different and Ballas had been doing other criminal stuff as a group that could possibly warrant this in our minds it would be more understandable and maybe them things would have been talked about between us but as I say for selling drugs to then having assault rifles aimed at you inside your home is very contrasting.

Finally this, OOC isn't a place for getting a jab at others it's used for help and or to ask people to come to a liaison after a roleplay situation has finished. I'll leave this hear as a warning on hopes it stops.

I agree and people should know OOC isn't for this, it does show it wasn't just me that saw baiting in this situation but it should not be placed in OOC.


With all this being said I'm happy to leave this for staff to review now, I'm still happy to answer any questions you both may have @Price - Robz, @Stuart (not sure if you're responding from Police POV or staff but either way happy to answer any more)

 

[Stuart]

Why did Tom need to be tazed off of his bike there and then on that night just because he was in your sights?

This wouldn't need to be answered within the report since this would be a RP issue and not a server rule break.

With all this being said I'm happy to leave this for staff to review now, I'm still happy to answer any questions you both may have @Price - Robz, @Stuart (not sure if you're responding from Police POV or staff but either way happy to answer any more)

All my responses are one from a staffing perspective since I'm the one going over this report.

I expect them to do their job and that is trying to arrest a suspect or suspects in the safest and appropriate way possible. I don't think PWITS alone is enough to even come close to rolling onto a gang turf to arrest someone with all of their members around. And going forward from that as it wasn't just PWITS and it was known that Tom had shot someone inside the Police station as well then surely him and his group (which should already definitely be known) will be super high risk meaning if you harm one of their members there's most likely going to be a firefight.

They had every right to be there from a roleplay aspect and made sense. Commit a crime and the police as you've stated will do their job. This has happened due to what happened at Mara from Price's video. I'll not touch on hypotheticals on the "Police station" argument since it holds no bearing in the report.

Of course Stuart I'm not saying I don't expect repercussions, I've been around long enough to know that but I've also been around for times when I've been caught with my pants down on my own or when I'm alone with a few other members and I've had no chance and Police have executed a good plan where they win the situation using good strategy and patience instead of "if it goes south just respawn or go to hospital".

Agreed, There have been plans in the past that I've overwatched too, Some don't go to plan however it's part in what may and may not happen within Roleplay. Not every situation is the same.

Definitely wasn't from the get go as it happened just after he blatantly denied a request that was more than reasonable. Also after him stating pretty much "we will detain all of you" (which is escalating the situation), doesn't really make sense to say this to a gang, maybe to civs but not to a gang. As for the previous quoted message, my mindset behind this is if he wants to be unreasonable and disrespectful while trespassing I will take his life, I clearly switched from shouting on to whisper meaning no Police could have possibly heard me so I don't think we can call that escalation in terms of the whole situation and you're only hearing it because I've provided my clip, it was more so preperation as for whats about to happen and to let other Balla members know that wasn't in ear shot to be ready and what the Ballas on the frontline's mindset was. After that little chat it become very clear very quickly that no matter what there was going to be conflict. As I said before when it's as easy as just respawn or go to hospital people don't take into account the effect the roleplay has on criminals that put endless time into building their character up.

This was only stated that everyone would be cuffed should they not move back a bit. There was an option of what could happen should the first not be listened too, However from your own words you did wish to shoot before being told no. The whole "I'll take his life" Why is that even a first thought? Shouldn't roleplay come first over oh time to pull my gun and shoot you. There we're many other routes this could of gone however pulling a gun seemed the easy option.

It wasn't clear there would be conflict but I think when we get into situations like this we all want to be "On top", But that shouldn't be the case over well "I will win this roleplay". It should be about enjoyment and the long term goal, We seem more focused on short term strides but of course all actions come with consequences within a roleplay aspect.

I do hope that simply respawning or going to the hospital will become the norm, As this is a poor attitude to have towards a roleplay server and enjoying all aspects of roleplay no matter the outcome. Lets hope we don't see this.

I mean it's not really good roleplay as a Police officer to bypass laws and trespass to complete your operation is it? Because even if we went to report an officer, the situation is still going to happen.

This again is a roleplay issue and not a server rule issue, If you believe police bypass laws there are many avenues within roleplay you can address this.

Definitely not aggressive but disrespectful 100%. I think roleplay should definitely be the first thing in everyones minds and maybe roleplaying from a Police point of view "if we go forward with this I think it's likely to be unsuccessful so let's look for other ways on how we can get our man" would definitely be thought of. I do think if this situation would have happened and Tom was managed to be arrested and got out of the situation I also think this would make a massive difference and I wouldn't have reported this.

This can go both ways, If there we're only two police for example I'm sure this wouldn't of happened at the time it did, However seeing the police pulled up to arrest one person doesn't that mean there would of been more to ensure one was arrested. Unsure how tom being tazed and arrested would of made more of a difference within the report as the two rules being reported are for "Baiting" and "Poor Quality Roleplay".

Firstly I've stated my mindset behind asking to shoot above. The thing is if we're going off of strictly what you have said here which is what we was doing in RP it's extremely hard to sit back and say well PWITS entitles Police trespassing onto turf and tazing and arresting one of our members in front of us while also being disrespecful. If situations was different and Ballas had been doing other criminal stuff as a group that could possibly warrant this in our minds it would be more understandable and maybe them things would have been talked about between us but as I say for selling drugs to then having assault rifles aimed at you inside your home is very contrasting.

We seem to be focused on the police being at Balla's over what happened as a result to them being there, Price has provided why they we're there to begin with from them doing "Criminal stuff as a group" at Mara i.e selling drugs. The police showing up was from Balla's own actions and this should of been common knowledge as normally it doesn't slip my mind what I've done to have a police officer chasing me for example. As I've said in this report, We need to think of the bigger picture.

Did other members communicate in roleplay that this was the reason for them being here? Did Tom for example say if he did something that would have an impact on the gang? Many questions could of been asked within a roleplay setting however it doesn't seem that this happened leading to one side being confused about what is happening and why.

With all this being said I'm happy to leave this for staff to review now,

No problem, With this being said I will go below and provide an outcome for this report.

In relation to the first video where other balla members are already talking to Price and the other officer, You come in and there is a small exchange to where the badge number would be provided and informed this would of happened after the investigation. Price did ask for everyone to go to the back gate to where no one seemed to listen and seemed to shrug it off and just go in different directions.

Now looking onto the "Baiting" claim, "Taking deliberate actions to create a scenario where you get chased or engaged with, especially to cause a firefight". Looking for the reason police showed up and them trying to get others to move away before tasing Tom because he refused to get off the bike and said "Go kill yourself" before trying to ride off so in turn he was tased. This overall was a consequence of his own actions not baiting for a gunfight.

In relation to the Poor roleplay claim, We can only see a small portion of the conversation when you pulled up as other Balla members we're present talking to police prior. Whilst yes you didn't get the badge number there and then you we're informed this would be provided down the line. Was this the first interaction with the police? No this was the third, First being at Mara, Second being on the roof in your own videos provided and the third on Balla's turf.

There was build up to being there and a reason for this as shown through this report. Could more roleplay of happened from both sides? Maybe but if we take the situation for what it is, Police was trying to get Balla's to follow their orders and you yourself did want to shoot pretty early on in your own video here. Yes the situation was getting a little heated as you believed the police has no reason within roleplay to be there but as mentioned there is many ways you can address this within roleplay and them being there isn't a server rule break.

Moving forward I would say that communication is key, As you mentioned you don't sell drugs so had no idea what happened at Mara. If this was communicated maybe a plan could of been hatched based on this and roleplay being extended with more back and forth from both sides.

With all that being said I will be going ahead and denying the report however I do hope moving forward we all have more enjoyable roleplay experiences as this as mentioned should be what we focus on first and foremost.

Denied.