Thanks for allowing me the time to reply as i was working through last night to this morning.
I would have preferred this to have gone down a different route however as there is no going back i suppose i must reply.
Background:
Myself, Ronald Strauss and Brandon Pigeon were of mobile patrol, we were currently stationary within Agios where we received a notification that a house was being broke into just down the road, as ive been to numerous house break-ins and by the time we get there the men have already vacated the area this time we thought lets get this boy in the act and get him done. Keeping in mind that when we had the situation under control if the supsectknown as Simon Ross) had a good story we could see what we could do for him.
Events:
We arrived at the locus and was met with a man which we seen to be breaking into the locus (the property seen in the video). Upon initial examination we seen Simon with what we presumed was a firearm this was later confirmed to be the case. We arrived at the scene knowing that most house breaking s turn hostile very quick and are usually setup. Knowing full well this might be the case we didn't take any chances and we were going to go in, get the situation in control and then hear the story if there was one.
When i had arrived i had seen the Simon breaking into the house with a gun on his back this being the case i stated can you please place your hands upon your head, i did not say at any point at this time that any force would be used on himself i just wanted this man to comply then we could hear the story. After i stated this Simon replied to myself saying "why the fuck you initiating on me i have multiple armed rebels in the area if anything does happen to me" i did sort of expect this response to him however if Simon had just stated there is a misunderstanding here officer let me explain we could have continued with a role play scenario however he went with the typical line of i have got mates in the area line. I said to the Simon "What is initiation" as i felt it just ruined the scenario entirely and burned all the bridges of a possible role play scenario coming out of this. To which he then said "your one to fucking talk" at this point i noticed the armed rebel Simon was talking about in the building across the street from us i relayed this information to Ronald Strauss making sure to speak in game whilst saying the message on team speak. This situation could have played out so differently if Simon didn't decide to turn round take his gun of his back and start running. Knowing that there was a threat to all our lives already Brandon Pigeon decided to do the first
real initiation with sir your going to be tased as Simon was in the process of running and drawing his firearm. Like i previously stated this could have turned out differently if when we had control over the situation Simon provided us with a unique story this however was not the case.
Brandon then tased Simon and i managed to get him in restraints we had one suspect in cuffs now we needed to deal with the other man. when trying to apprehend the other suspect he ran into a building and took a zefir out and started shooting me through the wall. Officers in the area then switched the magazines that they had loaded and was able to take the male down. After this scenario we secured the area and waited for medics to arrive so we could deal with the suspects and not just leave the scenario which is just poor RP we stayed and got the men up. We then conveyed them to the HMP Altis where they were told about their rights and asked if they would like any food or water we also confiscated the firearms by placing our guns in the vehicle and then taking the guns off them placed into our vehicles and then re equipped our ones to maintain roleplay. After the situation we received no message of team speak which is sort of a common courtesy however i known it is not required as i previously stated i wish this went down another road instead of me making this essay on a scenario.
Replies:
It was just how poor the entire situation was after this too which lead to the report
if you do feel this was the case which i feel it is not, then i would say its not just one party to blame as in my previous reply there is multiple chances on your side to progress the roleplay.
also in regards to your report youve stated it was the first cop onto the scene and that was myself as such i kindly request that you remove Brandon Pigeon from the report as the issue you state is with myself - Gray
His RP was just as shoddy.
At no point have you stated what Brandon Pigeon has done wrong you took a gun out away to kill his friend he done what needed to be done.
So when someone is attempting to do something ‘Out-of-the-box’ and slightly realistic to the Real-life approach it’s an issue? Either the Officers go in passive, passive-aggressive or aggressive. It depends on the situation and the scenario we're going to create.
I would like to echo what Ronald Strauss is saying here we decided this time we would go in control the situation and hear what its about as again we recieve a report a house is being broken into.
with this the RP was absolutely dreadful i was taken TO HMP i was given no proper background checks and asked for any names and was a really boring and annoying situation to be in
I would like to remind you that, that is not the issue we are dealing with on the report it is the incident at the house.
^^ very true you came in didnt say hello what are you doing but straight in by saying right mate put your hands up or you going to be tazed pretty low quality Rp in my opinion
I came and said would you like to place your hand up on your head not once did i go or you will be tased this is a strech of the truth.
Nowhere in this report do I claim to have an issue with being tased...the report is about how poor the roleplay is in this entire situation. If I am to walk up to every police car I see and say "gtfo without a weapon & put your hands on your head or you will be shot"
As stated previously we dont go call to call like this it was the circumstances around this that resulted in this, a change of the typical sir whats this and that whilst your friend sets up to kill us.
And don't give me this bollocks of someone is set up that means they want a gunfight
In regards to this please respect our responses as it how we feel i dont appreciate you calling our opinion bollocks, respect goes both ways Simon.
if I am in a hostage situation and police set up that means they don't want to roleplay and immediately want a gunfight?
A hostage situation is entirely different to a house burglary. We set up to make sure you dont try anything funny in this regard you set up to make sure if it doesnt go your way we die.
I'm sorry but I don't see how you can use this to justify those actions. Last time I checked the military don't go around going from standing up and onto knees when firing a weapon. Someone going against police don't tell them their actions before firing, they just do and thus in game you would expect more than running up to someone immediately and saying effectively hands up or be shot...
Let me put this in a different way, you arrive at a house with a man breaking into it firearm on his back a friend with a gun visible in another building across from you and then the man starts drawing the gun on you what to you do.
“Mentioning that they didn’t had any intentions to Roleplay is also slightly meh… Because you’re clearly setup for something to happening, because your friends are surrounding the property you’re breaking into. If you had RP intentions you wouldn't setup for a firefight. So you can throw that card out of the window.
As to this are you serious? You as police literally have a unit of fraggers which turn up to anything which might potentially go south. Just because AR are present at a roleplay hostage negotiation that doesn't mean they are going to necessarily be used does it? And the same applies here, or can I safely say whenever AR turn up on scene I might as well start a gunfight because you guys clearly now have no intention to RP?
I dont understand your point here, armed response are in place so that if NEGOTIATIONS go south then can be utilised at a house robbery there is no negotiations we assess and control your friend was set up in case it didn't go your way to mow us down with a Zefir.
yeh but that's what this server is not trying to become some cops coming up behind you and knocking you out if that's the case in a GaMe i would've shot you all as soon as i saw you, but obviously if an officer wants to talk to a civilian im pretty sure he woulnt try aggrivate him at first contact?
In a scenario where a man is breaking into a house with a gun on his back and a man is set up and we see this ofc it looks like your ready to kill us, there is literally no reason for you to have been setup if it was a roleplay scenario or no reason for the guns atleast.
Ad yes I did do the usual, which was the exact same thing as what the cop did. That was probably already predicted though, because you can't really start a covo with hands up or be tased and not expect that.
Again like stated this was not the case in the situation i asked politely to place your hands above your head and you didnt comply and started to draw your firearms, nice RP.
I was not given the opportunity to, due to Brandon "hands up now, you are gonna be tased". There was no calming this situation down because quite frankly they either wanted a gunfight or cbf to give much RP.
As above you drew your firearm could have played out differently if you had complied and told us a unique story when we had control of the situation.
his great interaction lasted 17 seconds before you guys decided you cbf anymore and wanted to kick things off.
In a way i think your right with this besides one thing in the viedo at 17 seconds i believe it was
you that killed the scenario stating i have multiple armed rebels in the area if anything does happen to me.
Conclusion:
I would like to thank the staff team and yourself for allowing me to arrange a response before anything was done with this report as again i was working between 2200 hours and 0700 hours. It would have been appreciated if you could have address the issue on a other platform instead of this medium. This is my side of events i cannot speak for anyone else however i would like to thanks
@Ronald Strauss for his account and also
@Brandon Pigeon. Thanks for taking the time to read this and process this report, hopefully i can resume my time here as i love this community.
Thanks,
Gray
