Let's start off with the facts as well as timestamps in your video of what happened and what was said in this situation:
- We get spiked as we're being chased by rebels [2:11]
- We begin to repair our vehicle as Cool decamps out of his vehicle pulling his weapon out and the following dialogue occurs [2:20]:
- COOL: Officers how are you, I'm apart of OG and I want to rob some cops so I would like you to please place your hands on your head otherwise lethal force will be used against you [2:22]
- Ant: Why would we place our hands on our heads - lethal force, why the fuck would you shoot us? [2:29]
- COOL: If you don't surrender that's what we're going to have to do [2:35]
- Ant: I mean, can we not talk about this (cut off as you start speaking at this point) [2:40]
- COOL: Last warning stop running or I'm going to have to fucking shoot you [2:41]
- Ant Arni, using his far more superior weapons knowledge & combat ability, manages to break Cool's leg but sadly Cool manages to kill Ant with the much superior weapon
So, now let's analyse this situation including both the facts (stated above) as well as your opinion on the situation:
- As cops we're already being chased by rebels and then we get spiked just after an 'island tsunami' struck, meaning that the spike strips weren't there as an accident or being forgotten by a clumsy officer, but they were placed (and placed by rebels considering no cops had got out of their vehicles here since the tsunami)
- We're being chased by rebels, we're spiked by rebels, and then an armed rebel jumps out of his vehicle right next to us - it's pretty obvious what their intent is especially considering another armed quilin drove past the us on the way here too - I'm not going to leave ourselves unguarded while my colleague is repairing the vehicle so I pull my weapon out and start jogging around to keep myself on alert as well as making sure any other enemies in the area would struggle just that little bit more to tap me in the head if anything happens
- 'please place your hands on your head' - this is the order he gives us . Being two trained members of Armed Response along with another armed response vehicle just behind us (which they knew about way in advance considering it was it drove past them and turned around before us) we weren't just going to surrender to such a small number of threats, only 1 being directly visible to us right now. 'otherwise lethal force will be used against you' - this is his threat. He tells us he is going to murder us if we don't comply with his order, which for reasons already given we are not planning on doing, so I decide to attempt to negotiate with Cool to:
Stop this operation for them so that there doesn't have to be a fight
- Stall so that if it does turn into a fight more officers are in the area so as to eliminate the threat with the least amount of damage to the police force (increase our chances of survival)
[*]This is where I respond to your request and your threat - I ask you why you would shoot us, after all there's 4 of us close together, why would we comply? Do they just want a fight (it's a rhetorical question - I don't want this thread to turn into back & forth this is just something that is going through my mind at the time and not something I actually want an answer for)? Are they seriously expecting us to put our hands up from that? This is me trying to stop you from killing us by roleplaying - it's not anything magical but you claim that this is the only thing that I said which is completely false (see quote below) considering in this one sentence alone I say more, and I say more later...
All that was said back was "Why would you wanna shoot us"
[*]This isn't you justifying your actions - you are again just making your request and making a threat again - nothing indepth or creative here, just... a 'meh' response that doesn't add anything at all to the situation that I can work with to roleplay. If anything, I believe that you are more at risk of being called out for poor roleplay than I am considering the fact that at least I'm trying to do something creative with the little opportunity you're allowing me, whereas you're just repeating the same unenthusiastic, uninspiring 'roleplay'. This whole report is based on the fact that I didn't roleplay enough to shoot you, or specifically that I didn't counter initiate (which is never a requirement... you've just said you're going to kill me I'm in full right to defend myself - you're being silly if you thought this was ever a rule for situations like this, especially when you almost immediately say 'last chance', meaning you're literally not letting them roleplay with you...).
[*]Here I say '
can we not talk about this' - I literally ask you to roleplay this situation with me rather than turning it into a fight which it inevitably leads to (where I fire the first shot, but that's on the next point). Your claim that this is 'poor RP' is, I believe, completely invalid - here I'm trying to turn this into a conversation where where something interesting can come out of without, as I've already explained, us complying.
[*]To me asking whether or not we can talk about this situation, you respond with '
last warning stop running or I'm going to have to fucking shoot you' - you state that this is your final warning; by this you mean that you aren't going to say anything else to make me put my hands up, and if I do anything
but put my hands on my head (including trying to
talk to you) - you confirm this by saying and once again threatening my life 'I'm going to have to fucking shoot you'. Now, you might mention that in this case your request was for me to stop running rather than to put my hands on my head but I'll argue otherwise considering you said 'last warning', implying that this warning carries on from your previous warning(s) and in addition to putting my hands on my head you now also want me to stop running.
[*]The situation started tense, and the dialogue started off with an instantaneous request and threat to life. Throughout the dialogue I try to turn the conversation into something we can maybe have some fun with or at least drag out the conversation so it's not a fight straight away but I don't get the chance, as the dialogue ends with a 'final warning' leaving me little opportunity to do anything - you might as well be saying 'if you say anything else you're going to die'. I see only two choices here, considering talking is not one of them, and that is:
Put my hands on my head
- Defend myself appropriately considering the situation, that being by shooting the person who has constantly threatened me and my colleague
In conclusion to my analysis of the situation, I believe that I tried to RP the situation to the best of my abilities considering the circumstances and I strongly believe that if he thinks that I'm in the wrong for not roleplaying it anymore, he should only blame himself considering the corner he''s backed me into leaving me no more opportunity to talk to him.
Now to analyse some of what was said in the report itself:
He could have easily stopped running around for cover and stopped to talk to me or holstered his gun and we could have had a relaxed chat instead of me being scared for my life.
I could have easily stopped running around for cover, just like you could have easily not tried to take us hostage? I see this point as completely irrelevant. He also says '
we could have had a relaxed chat instead of me being scared for my life' - what kind of 'relaxed' chat are you hoping for in this situation? Need I remind you that multiple rebels were chasing us, you immobilised our vehicle, jumped out with a highly illegal highly dangerous automatic assault rifle and then threatened our lives?
The officer with Arni at the time even wanted to surrender. He clearly stated he was going to surrender as soon as he was done repairing.
What an officer says and what an officer does doesn't always need to be the same... I see no rule that says that as a police officer we must never lie and I can tell you that we had no intention to surrender.
And quite possibly one of the most serious parts of this report and hopefully the one that as a community we can get the most out of:
The situation overall just displays how he clearly doesnt want to roleplay and he just getting ready for a gunfight constantly getting cover instead of talking and actually roleplay.
No no no... I'm glad we have taken the liberty to make assumptions now because I am now going to make some assumptions on you:
Are you here to roleplay or
ruleplay? It seems that every situation we are in, hell even if the situation doesn't involve you whatsoever, if you have something to complain about, you'll complain about it. I've spent more time in liason with you now then I have with my friends in your gang, which says a lot. You have such a negative view of other people on the server, especially the police (and
especially members of AR), that it results in you looking for the smallest of flaws that you can get people in trouble for when at the end of the day, we're all human. There's been countless situations where you guys could have been reported by people in the police, things which you would have definitely ended up reporting for if it was the other way around, but we just get on with it because at the end of the day, I don't think you guys are here to purposefully break rules you just occasionally do break rules, just like anyone else - sometimes quite severely, but you slip up, and we accept it (for the most part). I'm not saying that I slipped up in this situation, because I was dealt a bad set of cards and I did the best I could with them, I'm just saying... Next time you're going to report someone for 'poor rp' at least let them try and RP and try and RP yourself.
For example, just yesterday
you ran two cops over and hit a stationary vehicle (
video) while trying to escape from the police and we didn't so much as receive an apology. Did we end up reporting or even trying to bring you to teamspeak for this? No! If this was the other way around though, don't try and tell me you wouldn't have reported them because that video looks pretty bad/intentional to be honest. I don't bring this up as something to get you into trouble, I could have already done that if it were my intention and it really isn't, it's just there to serve my point that you don't need to turn every little rule 'break' into a big deal just to get people in trouble. I strongly believe that you guys have some sort of vendeta against not only the police force, but perhaps specific people in the police force or a group of people and this report is associated with that (a revenge report, if you will).
In conclusion to the entirety of my response, I really don't want to turn this into a back and forth thing so unless asked by an admin to respond I really won't be wasting my time doing so.
Edit: After reviewing the evidence a bit more I notice that you have Ryan's stream open in your browser (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuyK09iCatU&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=Cool) - he was the one in the car with me that got spiked. I think it's important for the staff looking at this report to notice this considering Ryan was dead & logged off when we were resolving the situation (so there was nothing interesting happening on his stream while we were resolving), therefore he must have had the stream open while the situation was on-going or even before that while he's playing the game - seems a bit dodgy, what I'm obviously implying here is that cool may have been stream sniping but I guess he can defend himself to this allegation if he so chooses.
In addition, I noticed that one of the main reasons he is justifying calling me to liason in the second video is because I didn't '
counter initiate' - since when has this ever been a requirement? The rules don't state it and neither have my over 2 years of experience on the server. As long as the roleplay is to a high quality & you've done everything you can for the situation not to turn into a fight I see no issue with shooting someone without 'counter initiating' - I feel as if
you are only trying to make this seem as a rule so that the 'initiator' isn't caught off-guard after threatening the life of someone he is demanding something off of.
Finally, the situation that you say is 'pretty much' the same as this one is in fact
nothing like this one. The fact that you say this implies to me that you will say anything to try and get me into trouble no matter how much of a short string you're holding onto. The man in the situation you are referring to doesn't say a word after you threaten his life, which is completely different to my situation - if you honestly believe these situations are similar, well... embarrassing really.
At the end of the day, you threatened my life, I tried to roleplay with you, you denied my roleplay and reiterated the fact that if I were to do anything but complete your demand I would die (including trying to speak with you). You don't let me roleplay, and then you report me for not roleplaying. Hello? I've never even had so much as a warning point for 'bad rp'.
