Report a Player - OG Charles Vane - RDM

[U N C L E]

Your In-game name

SUR. Uncle Adam

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

OG Charles Vane

Date of the incident

09/29/19

Time of the incident (GMT)

21

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

Myself, Paramedic BigJimmy and SUR. Devin were going to respond to a situation that had finished due to the timing of the incident. We deemed safe to fly over and help the wounded. As arriving at the first patient we were told to leave. We did so and then heard the person get executed. We went 1K away to the next person and I tried throwing him in and leaving but was encountered by Charles Vane they also shot my patient who was in my heli without RP ( Baring in mind this was a K away from the other death so I don't need to worry about that shot as a medic.) Who instantly said you got shot at and should leave. I didn't hear nor see tracers due to my earplugs being in and radio chatter ect. We then had a to and throw of insults whilst I was trying to repair my heli ( Also even if he did shoot and I didnt hear, there is no reason to kill me as a medic because I am not a threat and cannot be a threat to him). He called me privileged and killed me whilst I was benched.

(2.12) NHS Medics -The NHS are here to help and revive people and have less than 10 slots on the 130 slot server. It is a bannable offence to kill a medic, take their vehicle, take them hostage or rob them.

Pretty sure the video explains it all.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://plays.tv/video/5d91217ab877a95ab8/what-happend-
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Charles Vane]

Before i even properly respond to this im going to request you upload a full video atleast 3 mins prior to us all turning up there.

Im certain that will show the admins all they need to see about you trying to help your friends in an active gunfight. Bearing in mind the barn we were breaking into/fighting at was about 400m away from you there.. abusing your role as an NHS member knowing your "untouchable" well im afraid you crossed the line with a rebel in an extremely hostile situation. So yeah. This is roleplay and i believe everything i did was within roleplay according to the situation we were in. Dont think a medic should be hurling abuse like that at a heavily armed gang of rebels in an active firefight...

The fact wicker was killed by greeny 1 second after you died clearly shows its not safe and its not 1k away. 

Also

Im sure there was something where reports have to be within 24 hours of the incident? Whats the delay been about? This video was uploaded 3 days ago but is only here now? 

 

[U N C L E]

Before i even properly respond to this im going to request you upload a full video atleast 3 mins prior to us all turning up there.

Im certain that will show the admins all they need to see about you trying to help your friends in an active gunfight. Bearing in mind the barn we were breaking into/fighting at was about 400m away from you there.. 

The fact wicker was killed by greeny 1 second after you died clearly shows its not safe and its not 1k away. 

Also

Im sure there was something where reports have to be within 24 hours of the incident? Whats the delay been about? This video was uploaded 3 days ago but is only here now? 

1) I didn't see them until the whole scuffle, Just because I am friends with a few altis response doesn't make me friends with them all. Also the person I was helping I didn't even know and isn't apart of their gang. Also it was well over 400m bud, I remember at the time me checking just in case because I didn't want to get spanked for helping someone within 1KM from a gun shot. 

2) Devin will have to find if he still has all the recordings.

3) I gave this to CMO's and they told me to wait to see what is happening and not to share it with anyone. They wanted to give you a talking to. which i do not agree with and then came to this point. Hence why it took more than 24 Hours. 

* You have 24 hours to report the player, any report out of this time frame may be denied. *

I don't believe in anyway. In any circumstance you can defend yourself from this action. Especially from someone who is ranked at the position of NHS like you. 

 

[Charles Vane]

Okay, well its lucky i have some stuff recorded. Seems we have to record every second on the server nowadays. Your heli was directly shot at. 

Lets see devins video then and get some truth out.

Also let me remind you CMO's are not admins. 

Hopefully the video can also show the CMO's that you all broke multiple NHS handbook rules and clearly had the wrong attitude as a NHS member. 

 

[U N C L E]

Okay, well its lucky i have some stuff recorded. Seems we have to record every second on the server nowadays. Your heli was directly shot at. 

Lets see devins video then and get some truth out.

Also let me remind you CMO's are not admins. 

Hopefully the video can also show the CMO's that you all broke multiple NHS handbook rules and clearly had the wrong attitude as a NHS member. 

Even if you did again! I did not hear nor see these shots. So rightfully you cannot just shoot an NHS member (Different if Rebels) also I don't have a gun so why the need to shoot? Discredit me as a NHS member all you want but I didn't kill an NHS member which is a server rule break and not an NHS rule break.

I went to them because I thought they had the power to punish you, regardless if I was wrong that is the reason it took more than 24 Hours.

If in the video I broke any rules of NHS which the CMO's have seen then so be it. 

Also when you told me to leave it was something close to '' I suggest you fuck off'' At the first victim. This isn't a threat to my life and I chose to leave out of determination to save the other person. This is going off of memory now but still Id love to be enlightened by your video. 

 

[Charles Vane]

l Id love to be enlightened by your video. 

What is it with you people reporting me acting like i havee to show video haha??

All my video will show is that you lot were breaking NHS rules and abusing your role as a medic. 

Also once again this has nothing to do with me as an NHS member so why on earth would they be able to punish me?

You lot are on a complete witch hunt against me so it seems.. 

Its all good. Get the 3 minutes before and ill get mine when im back from work and we can paint a better picture of the situation. 

 

[U N C L E]

What is it with you people reporting me acting like i havee to show video haha??

All my video will show is that you lot were breaking NHS rules and abusing your role as a medic. 

Also once again this has nothing to do with me as an NHS member so why on earth would they be able to punish me?

You lot are on a complete witch hunt against me so it seems.. 

Its all good. Get the 3 minutes before and ill get mine when im back from work and we can paint a better picture of the situation. 

Where is this video you wanted to hand to me? Whatever you believe and what is can be two different things. 

My report is because clearly you are taking the rules into your own hands and killing a medic. Even after you executed the patient. 

 

[Charles Vane]

and ill get mine when im back from work

Strangely enough i have a job.. maybe you will see it in 72 hours the same as this report. 

Chill

The video we need is yours/devins showing full context to the situation. My videos not necessary unless i want to send it to CMOs

 

[Aiden]

Im sure there was something where reports have to be within 24 hours of the incident? Whats the delay been about? This video was uploaded 3 days ago but is only here now? 

You are indeed correct.

You have 24 hours to report the player, any report out of this time frame may be denied.
https://www.roleplay.co.uk/guide/support/report-a-player/

3) I gave this to CMO's and they told me to wait to see what is happening and not to share it with anyone. They wanted to give you a talking to. which i do not agree with and then came to this point. Hence why it took more than 24 Hours. 

* You have 24 hours to report the player, any report out of this time frame may be denied. *

I don't believe in anyway. In any circumstance you can defend yourself from this action. Especially from someone who is ranked at the position of NHS like you. 

As none of the CMO's are staff members it should be noted that their advice means very little when it comes to the report a player process, this is a rules issue first and an internal NHS issue second. The advice you have taken may have actively hindered your player report, because from an outside perspective it looks like you have been holding onto this video for the better part of 3 days in order to stick the metaphorical knife in after the decision the NHS has made does not satisfy you, given the highlighted section above.

 

[U N C L E]

Okay? Well sorry for the inconvinence. Didn't see that but either way. I don't record that is why I used devins. This shouldn't matter because its the killing not the rest of it. @Charles Vane 

https://gyazo.com/841a7355f9a4bfa02123e2c09edd8a51 AdamK was the first shot, We didn't go to the other guy because it was too close and the third guy Dwarf or whatever the name says was 1K away. Just to answer that.

@Aiden I didn't realise the CMO's didnt have the power until after and I wanted to give them the respect of time to figure out what they wanted to do. But in hinesight I felt uncomfortable not reporting him due to this action in my eyes being a pretty massive rulebreak. Even so if its 24 hours. He legit killed a Medic point blank. No matter the duration of time there can't be a way this is accepted? Also I sent the info to Gordon the day it happened and he didn't give any help onto reporting or not. So I left it with the CMO's for the time being.

 

[Charles Vane]

https://gyazo.com/841a7355f9a4bfa02123e2c09edd8a51 AdamK was the first shot, We didn't go to the other guy because it was too close and the third guy Dwarf or whatever the name says was 1K away. Just to answer that.

You do realise on your own gyazo there you can see your less that 1km away? on the middle person there is a map marking which says shots fired.. 

 

[U N C L E]

You do realise on your own gyazo there you can see your less that 1km away? on the middle person there is a map marking which says shots fired.. 

You do realise on that Gyazo we aren't flying from the other patient yet? . This was before AdamK was executed. 

Just showing how far Adamk is from the other body you shot me at. 

those shots were also 5 mins before we came to adamk. Maybe the normal calculations of a medic never applied to you? 

 

[Charles Vane]

those shots were also 5 mins before we came to adamk. Maybe the normal calculations of a medic never applied to you? 

Thankyou for your cocky response. Now back to reality, here is my video of the situation:

https://plays.tv/video/5d94e9d15b518a408e

So from the video, we see these medics landing. Being told to leave, and also shots being fired by hammah. Then i go down the hill and they fly around 700m away from that place and go to the next place where again, there friend.. one of AR is they do not appear to want to help him where they are?? why? probably because there fully aware that this whole area is an active firefight.. please remember rebels do not have a "wait 5 minutes and you cannot shoot" rule. That being said the medics throw someone in the heli, and you can even hear in the video that we have our suspicion that he is quite simply helping his friends. Maybe Adam is not in Altis Response, however as he has already admitted he is friends with some of them and probably wants an invite. 

Now, i fully accept that i broke 1 rule in this situation, shooting a medic. The fact i have been reported for RDM is bollocks. If this was a rebel/cop/poseidon who loaded someone into a heli an an active gunfight, they would be shot on sight also. He was hiding behind his NHS uniform and thought he was invincible. Same principle would apply. 

The rule i did break and would accept punishment for is shooting a medic, quite obviously. My argument to this is that, my roleplay and i believe roleplay should be versatile, it should be fresh and it should be different. Yes, i shot the medic but as shown in my video i believe he was abusing his role in the NHS to help people he knew. If he didnt know them then he is just plain ignorant to the role in the NHS. At the end of the day i believe that everything i did to Adam, shooting him and shouting abuse too him was a product of his own actions and he should realise that as a medic it is about more than just "helping your friends" and he should be staying neutral. Something he definitely was not, he was not professional.

I believe that this is all down to the new wave of "roleplayers".. they see the rules on the forums and they follow them.. way too closely. There was a time when situations would be judged on if it was deemed necessary within the situation and if the person actually deserved it. There just ruleplaying. The same as when people get reported because they didnt say the line "hands up or i will use necessary force"  Quite frankly, i believed these medics were taking the piss and deserved to be killed in that situation. 3 more of our people died in that gunfight because we all had to group on on medics who should not have even been there and GREENY killed them all. Just because medics were taking the piss. So im sorry i broke the rule of shooting a medic, bit i think people need to start playing the server and having fun and realising that in some situations things will happen which might be a bit strange. But IF YOU SPOKE TO ME AFTER i could have explained why i did it and maybe you could have seen it from our point of view?.. 

Instead, he was in the middle of a firefight between two gangs, picking sides and trying to assist people on the sly. We were a group of rebels with guns and he chooses to shout that kind of abuse at me/us. If there was a "value of life" type thing that is something he defiantly was not doing. But what was protecting him? His NHS uniform. Abusing his role. 

This along with the fact he has already said that he tried to get me in trouble with the CMO's in the NHS first just shows that these people are on a complete witch hunt to get me in trouble. As Aiden already said, he was not happy with the CMO's result so here he is 3 days later with a report. 

The last thing i would like to say is can people please start giving a bit of substance in there reports and not half hearted videos which dont show fuck all to do with the actual situation. Your video shows nothing in relation to the situation and im sick to death of having to record every time i come on this server for fear of being banned/reported. Its pathetic, this is an adult community so if you cannot act like on then just leave. 

Now pick apart my response quoting little bits of information as you please, yes i broke a rule. Shooting you.. but you deserved it. 

Cheers

 

[U N C L E]

Thankyou for your cocky response. Now back to reality, here is my video of the situation:

https://plays.tv/video/5d94e9d15b518a408e

So from the video, we see these medics landing. Being told to leave, and also shots being fired by hammah. Then i go down the hill and they fly around 700m away from that place and go to the next place where again, there friend.. one of AR is they do not appear to want to help him where they are?? why? probably because there fuclly aware that this whole area is an active firefight.. please remember rebels do not have a "wait 5 minutes and you cannot shoot" rule. That being said the medics throw someone in the heli, and you can even hear in the video that we have our suspicion that he is quite simply helping his friends. Maybe Adam is not in Altis Response, however as he has already admitted he is friends with some of them and probably wants an invite. 

Now, i fully accept that i broke 1 rule in this situation, shooting a medic. The fact i have been reported for RDM is bollocks. If this was a rebel/cop/poseidon who loaded someone into a heli an an active gunfight, they would be shot on sight also. He was hiding behind his NHS uniform and thought he was invincible. Same principle would apply. 

The rule i did break and would accept punishment for is shooting a medic, quite obviously. My argument to this is that, my roleplay and i believe roleplay should be versatile, it should be fresh and it should be different. Yes, i shot the medic but as shown in my video i believe he was abusing his role in the NHS to help people he knew. If he didnt know them then he is just plain ignorant to the role in the NHS. At the end of the day i believe that everything i did to Adam, shooting him and shouting abuse too him was a product of his own actions and he should realise that as a medic it is about more than just "helping your friends" and he should be staying neutral. Something he definitely was not, he was not professional.

I believe that this is all down to the new wave of "roleplayers".. they see the rules on the forums and they follow them.. way too closely. There was a time when situations would be judged on if it was deemed necessary within the situation and if the person actually deserved it. Quite frankly, i believed these medics were taking the piss and deserved to be killed in that situation. 3 more of our people died in that gunfight because we all had to group on on medics who should not have even been there and GREENY killed them all. Just because medics were taking the piss. So im sorry i broke the rule of shooting a medic, bit i think people need to start playing the server and having fun and realising that in some situations things will happen which might be a bit strange. But IF YOU SPOKE TO ME AFTER i could have explained why i did it and maybe you could have seen it from our point of view?.. 

Instead, he was in the middle of a firefight between two gangs, picking sides and trying to assist people on the sly. We were a group of rebels with guns and he chooses to shout that kind of abuse at me/us. If there was a "value of life" type thing that is something he defiantly was not doing. But what was protecting him? His NHS uniform. Abusing his role. 

This along with the fact he has already said that he tried to get me in trouble with the CMO's in the NHS first just shows that these people are on a complete witch hunt to get me in trouble. As Aiden already said, he was not happy with the CMO's result so here he is 3 days later with a report. 

The last thing i would like to say is can people please start giving a bit of substance in there reports and not half hearted videos which dont show fuck all to do with the actual situation. Your video shows nothing in relation to the situation and im sick to death of having to record every time i come on this server for fear of being banned/reported. Its pathetic, this is an adult community so if you cannot act like on then just leave. 

Now pick apart my response quoting little bits of information as you please, yes i broke a rule. Shooting you.. but you deserved it. 

Cheers

I hardly deserved it. You are again assuming i'm helping friends? i'm helping the only people I could help at the time and thought I was eligible to help. That is how it is. Unlucky that one of them was my friend and the person I was helping when you killed me AGAIN wasn't someone I know. 

Also cannot hear any shots in your video can you tell me the time? Regardless all of this tit for tat bull. After all this who is in the right and wrong. What you believe happened and what I believe. You killed me because you believe I deserved it even though you cannot kill medics? So you agree you broke the rule. You are adamant that I am friends with these people and will then jump into an active gunfight and risk getting demoted? I followed the rules and it was 1KM from my mark on adamk. regardless all of this. you killed me as a medic after ending the patient. you could of left it there and we both would of been pissed and gone on with our day. Nope you wanted to break a rule in front of everyone. I didn't even know those guys were there until after I was dead. I was purely focused on fixing the vehicle/ saving the person.

I also would never have a liaison with any pleb member due to the two I had consisted of badgering and a group of plebs mocking the situations. I would rather come right to this after trying it with the CMO's and Gordon. This is the place that can get this sorted. where things cannot me misconstrued 

I also agree that giving this situation to the CMO's was the wrong call but at the time I thought they would give you a punishment and not knowing they could not do so since the rules don't fall under them and they cannot do the same as an admin can. Mistakes can be made as we all know but the point i'm making is what you did. Was not a mistake. Even if I broke NHS rules (I don't believe I did) we can pick at each other and never get on the same side of a story. You yourself said you admit that you broke the rule and now I will no longer write anymore to this. 

I would like to know here what will be done. whether it is something or nothing.

 

[Charles Vane]

Am i assuming? Maybe the fact your failing to provide more video would show something we cannot see? Maybe you say something about you helping friends? Because im very familiar with how plays works as i have used it for about 4/5 years now. 

You talk about being demoted and breaking NHS rules... you do realise you broke 2 server rules? 

[SIZE=medium](11.4) Combat Reviving - If combat is in effect, or shots have been fired within the last 5 minutes, the area is not safe to enter for rescuing the injured. Therefore, you cannot revive at this time. This rule is exempt for civilians using defibrillators.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium](11.5) You must not abuse your role as an NHS member to assist your friends in any way.[/SIZE]

I would have never reported or even pushed for these to be looked into but you have forced this hand so now all the cats are out the bag.

Dont moan about back and forth and tit for tat when your the one thats reported me?? I didnt choose to be spending my time here explaining this. However im done now. Ill wait for staff. 

 

[U N C L E]

Am i assuming? Maybe the fact your failing to provide more video would show something we cannot see? Maybe you say something about you helping friends? Because im very familiar with how plays works as i have used it for about 4/5 years now. 

You talk about being demoted and breaking NHS rules... you do realise you broke 2 server rules? 

[SIZE=medium](11.4) Combat Reviving - If combat is in effect, or shots have been fired within the last 5 minutes, the area is not safe to enter for rescuing the injured. Therefore, you cannot revive at this time. This rule is exempt for civilians using defibrillators.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium](11.5) You must not abuse your role as an NHS member to assist your friends in any way.[/SIZE]

I would have never reported or even pushed for these to be looked into but you have forced this hand so now all the cats are out the bag.

Dont moan about back and forth and tit for tat when your the one thats reported me?? I didnt choose to be spending my time here explaining this. However im done now. Ill wait for staff. 

I will moan because half of your chitter chat is answered and you bring the same thing back up which then makes me do the exact same thing. I only started recording last night and most of the video Devin has, he is in his map. Its pointless. I didn't know there was combat and the point you see me reviving i was trying to throw him in and miss-clicked. I don’t care if you think i was helping my friend* not friends. As a medic you cross paths with everyone and at that time one friend was there that's laughable that you think I just wanted to jump in a fight to help my pal (just to save a gear set, that means pennies to one of the richest gangs on the server). I thought 5 mins after a gun fight had passed with no more fatalities added to the situation with the time stamp on it. It was safe. Sorry I don’t have X ray to see everyone around me. I see a scene i act on the scene. You killed a patient i tried to save the other one. For all i know he could of been your friend, Ghandis friend who knows. I wanted to save him, get a revive towards my prestige and not be killed by a rebel. Again you are seeing my mistakes and painting your story. I'm just saying my side the best I can.  At the end of the day. You and you alone killed a medic and the whole video it just shows you saying “let me at em ill kill the medics” if that's your response to situations that doesn't go your way because a medic is doing what a medic does then i'm sorry. You probably would kill plenty more medics in the future. The admins/ CMO's can judge me how they like. I believe i was in the right still besides hurling abuse at a pleb which I doubt is unusual. 

Also again the 5 min mark would be from 1 km away at Adamk since the middle guy killed himself did he not?

again this is the same things you are bringing up and not taking my answers and expecting more when there really isn’t anymore to it. Thats how it happened. 

You aren’t telepathic and didn't have any right to shoot me. Like I said. Could of killed my patient and gone on about your day by being toxic and killing everyone you see. But nah you wanted to boost your ego after we threw insults at each other by killing me. 

I don’t believe I broke a rule for the coincidence a friend was in a situation, that would then make 50% of my scenarios bannable because I have a lot of friends, so should I see a name that I know and deny their help? No, that’s not how it works. I have answered all your points. I have given my Honest side of the situation. 

its your assumptions and that's all. I'm not assuming you killed a medic, you DID kill a medic. 

Id like a response from an admin because this is literally a roundabout. I cant supply anymore evidence and i still don’t think its needed. The evidence shows him killing a medic and breaking a rule.

 

[Qrow]

Interesting comments from both sides. 

@Charles Vane You know better. With the notable exception perhaps being when you are RDM'ed it is never acceptable to break a rule in response to someone else breaking a rule. That is what the report a player service is for, after all.

In the spirit of roleplay, I would have to agree that this is not RDM as there is nothing random about it. However it is still against the rules under 2.12 as you have admitted.

@Uncle Adam Quite frankly, that you assumed the gunfight was over, or that you might be 1km away is a nonsense statement. The fact that one downed individual bled out and so that meant that the one you were at was 1km from the other one is a ludicrous explanation. It is pretty clear that there is an ongoing gunfight from the evidence provided by yourself and that said gunfight stretches well over a 1km in and of itself. 

To say that Charles  " didn't have any right to shoot me. " is hardly true. You are protected under the server rules, yes, but in context of roleplay you are not some immortal being sheltered from bullets and the attitudes of rebels/cartels and the police alike. Within your roleplay you would do well to remember that. 

From your responses it seems that you were somewhat unaware of the limitations of faction leadership vs staff team, which seems unlikely considering you have been through the process yourself when you chose to appeal a ban, rather than log back onto the server in a case of 2.5. 

Never the less from the outside of this situation it is apparent that there is some kind of mission here to use the powers that be to levy a punishment. When you did not get what you wanted from NHS command, you came here. In contravention of the rules and regulations regarding "Report a player" reports. 

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In summary, I think it would be a fair statement that rules have been broken on both sides. Rules on RPUK are not "made to be broken" and you would both do well to remember that. Regardless of the way you might "Feel" in the moment.
On the basis that this report is outside of the staff teams required time I will be mitigating punishment for either party.
If either of you were to repeat this and be seen by a member of staff or reported again in the timeframe you can rest assured that stern action will be taken. For now, let this be a lesson to both sides. 
 

 

[Qrow]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.