Report a player - OCG - GTA RP

6AN6 · Sep 2, 2024

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Kane Kash
Reported Players: OCG
Date: Sep 2, 2024
Time: 00:00
What best describes this incident: NLR
Please (in detail) describe the incident: Cutlass fought against OCG in Paleto. Cutlass down multiple OCG members at the beginning of this fight. The fight remains in Paleto throughout its duration. OCG who were downed were taken to hospital along with a couple who remained. OCG have Cutlass member "Adam Mono" in their car during this fight. The OCG members who were downed return to the fight violating NLR. I can verify at least 3 OCG members (Baz, Mazza, ID:873, Blondie) returned through clips but I'm positive there were many more, I'm sure logs will show. This breaking of NLR is very common with OCG and turns it from being a Roleplay server to something similar to COD zombies. I believe a level of fairness should be applied during these situations but instead, OCG showcases a win mentality that isn't fun.

Cutlass vs OCG Paleto - PART 1
BAZ
MAZA
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Cutlas vs OCG Paleto - PART 2
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Baz · Sep 2, 2024

Just writing on my behalf here, not gonna reply after just short and sweet anyway.
Clip one yes I was clearly downed in that situation, upon this my members took me into hospital while here, I sat inside and waited my initial 15 minutes, we then decide to group up and leave, this is when I called for a staff member to clarify NLR.

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After the shootout the boys saw you head towards pops diner side of paleto which is north, this is when we all decide to meet up and go back to the city where we would regroup and hold turf so we can all get involved again as seen in this clip. We all agreed to refueling, bullets and meeting at turf. Clearly thinking that Cutlass had left paleto.

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Finally while OCG had regrouped well after the 15 minute timer OCG were ambushed on the way back to city from the opposite direction to where cutlass were last seen.

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Paramountxz · Sep 2, 2024

I had been downed by Mono at the hunting shack and had been taken to hospital. Once up and out of the hospital, I jumped in one of our cars hoping to get away because my car was left at the hunting shack and Cutlass attempt to attack us outside of the hospital.
"Due to your injuries, you must not re-enter the combat situation that caused you to be downed, unless an aggressor forces you into combat."

We were waiting for people to get up out of the hospital due to a mishap that caused Blondie to go down, trying to avoid Cutlass at all costs. We even went and resprayed Matt's car and stayed away from the situation until we were all mobile and ready to take Mono's body back to our turf.

Even though I was forced back into combat, I believe I waited for enough time to pass before actively shooting Cutlass again.

6AN6 · Sep 2, 2024

I included the fact that OCG had a Cutlass member in their vehicle throughout the fight because I knew you'd attempt to cover up the NLR as something else. You specifically walked out of the hospital and joined other OCG members in an active combat situation, and you reinforced this by attempting to convoy away with Cutlass member "Adam Mono". You purposefully placed yourself in a position where you would re-enter a combat situation, violating the rule "Deliberately placing yourself in a position that would re-enter you into that combat situation is not allowed".

In regards to Paramountz, you've provided short clips with no audio, which confirms to me that you're attempting to hide information. However, you have confirmed that "Blondie" breached the NLR rules, therefore I will add him to the list. This happens repeatedly with OCG, and to be honest, it's becoming more than a joke.

+Blondie

Baz · Sep 2, 2024

You knew I’d attempt to cover up something did you Kash? I have covered all my points and been open about the whole thing and won’t go into it further detail. But what I will add is get off that high horse of yours and stop tarnishing OCGs name because you’re not happy about the way a situation has played out “this is happening repeatedly” no it doesn’t Kash, I won’t spin the report or get into details but practise what you preach please.

Mazza · Sep 3, 2024

Firstly I don't get why you're throwing sly digs around with no substance behind it "This breaking of NLR is very common with OCG and turns it from being a Roleplay server to something similar to COD zombies." if you feel we broke NLR before then you should of reported it, not chucking accusations into this report to try and benefit yourself.

So, from my point of view my response is similar to the 2 above but I will try to give some more info where I can and a timeline to my best knowledge.

I get up from bed after first being downed - 00:02
Shots at Jeff and Matt in Jeff's clip - 00:10
Last shots are fired until the ambush starts - 00:11
The time I had noted that my 15mins recovering was up - 00:19
My clip starts - 00:21
Ambush starts - 00:22
Going down second time - 00:32

From the time of me getting out of the hospital bed to when the ambush starts I had not engaged in any combat. When the shots were going down from 00:10 - 00:11 I placed myself in a position where I could not be shot at. We believed that Cutlass had probably left Paleto as they hadn't been seen for a while (11 minutes straight) and considering they knew exactly where we was it doesn't seem this was still an active ongoing gunfight. This is why we regrouped and decided to try and go back to turf. After the fact and looking at this report, to me it seems that Cutlass knew we would pick our people up from pillbox and then ambush it to which we had no choice but to fight back, knowing this would lead to a report on the forums. Not sure why it would take so long to make a next move considering they knew where we was.

Also, the clip you've posted of me going down the second time is a 11 second clip to which I go down 3 seconds into it. It's perfectly cut to benefit your story but if 20-30 seconds prior was included it would show your member shooting at my car and hitting me. We believed all of Cutlass was down at this point which is why I was driving past and then I was shot at.

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Kyle Kamara · Sep 3, 2024

Hello @6AN6 I just have some questions before looking into this incident more;

As stated in the 'Report a Player' Wiki page, at the top, we ask people to attempt to solve the issue like adults via a liaison. Now, while it isn't mandatory, it is always recommended. So, did you call anyone to QE afterwards to talk about it? If you haven't, was there any reason you chose not to try and resolve the issue with the other party?

Now also looking at the evidence you've provided is there any particular reason why many of these clips fall below the requirements listed on the above-mentioned 'Report a Player' Wiki page which I believe you should be well aware of "Any clips must include 3-5 minutes of unedited footage before the alleged rule break occurs so staff can understand the context and lead-up." as it stands looking at the evidence there is a long time that is unaccounted due to these clips not including the full scenario where you are accusing people of breaking rules.

6AN6 · Sep 3, 2024

As staff, you are undoubtedly aware of how challenging it is for me to demonstrate that several members returned with the resources I have at my disposal as a common player. I've included clips that demonstrate kills and deaths during the OCG member's unquestionable return, but as you are aware, it would depend heavily on the log to explain this. I could identify and add longer clips to go along with OCG members who dropped repeatedly during the fight if you could provide me with more information on their deaths. I'll upload more clips after I get home from work this evening because it doesn't seem like "The only exception to the clip-length requirement above is in cases of indisputable evidence of a blatant rule break." is applicable in this instance, where multiple deaths of the same OCG players occur in the same spot during a short fight.

Kyle Kamara · Sep 8, 2024

Hey, @6AN6 thank you for taking the time to report this incident.

I believe I've given this even more time now, and yet you have not provided an update with either longer evidence to support your claims or answering my question about liaising with the reported party.

As you should be well aware on the Report a Player Guide there are multiple requirements but before we get to that it mentions Attempting to resolve the issue before taking matters to the forums "you can attempt to solve the issue without getting Staff involved. While this is not mandatory, it is greatly encouraged and failure to do so can hinder your report." I did previously ask if you attempted to call the other party to liaise about the situation or why you hadn't done so to which you've failed to give me a response.

Now considering as I had previously mentioned the majority of the evidence was below the minimum requirement of 3 minutes you've decided to bring up one of the other requirements of "The only exception to clip-length requirement above is in cases of indisputable evidence of a blatant rule break." Now while that is there it is for the staff team to decide if something is a blatant rule break, not yourself so that is why we ask for more context when we need it.

Now looking into the actual report it took me some time to correctly piece all the information that I had available together Now at first glance I can take a guess and say that the main thing you are looking at reporting people for is specifically G4.5 with the specific mention of "Due to your injuries, you must not re-enter the combat situation that caused you to be downed, unless an aggressor forces you into combat. Deliberately placing yourself in a position that would re-enter you into that combat situation is not allowed." At first glance, I can say there does look like there are a few members of the group 'OCG' who were apart of the fight and have gotten themselves involved in the situation after coming out of the hospital but from the added context in the replies provided by 2 OCG members I have deemed the members of OCG who've gotten themselves back into the situation was forced into it as per both the stipulations of G4.5 unless an aggressor forces you into combat

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