Report a player - NSC - GTA RP

[DS Jeremy Dent]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Jeremy Dent
Reported Players: NSC
Date: Jan 1, 1970
Time: 19:25
What best describes this incident: RDM/Execution
Please (in detail) describe the incident: Whilst deployed on a dog patrol it transpired over radio that a large convoy of NSC vehicles was headed to grove street. Multiple units attached them selves to this and head headed to the area, Upon arriving there was an abundance on vehicles on scene so in efforts to disrupt any criminality and prevent loss of life, Police employed their presence with loud sirens to discourage any hostile activity. there was a few back and fourths between the officers and members of NSC to the effect of them telling police to "stop taking the piss". as the video goes onto show an NSC vehicle begins to fire at something in grove gas and then i got shot by a different vehicle with no substantial prior RP. I Believe this to be a direct breach of (G1.2) and (G7.3) and finally (G7.5) Thank you in advance for reading this.. People involved we're called to QE but after waiting over 5 minutes in QE at least 15 minutes after the shooting, Nobody showed up!.
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[Mr Reznikov]

Dear Jeremy Dent

Before answering your report of what happened. I'm going to explain our point of view regarding this situation as i was involved.

Within this situation NSC was going to Grove street in large numbers as we are currently fighting Grove. Upon arriving at Grove Street. We was getting ready to get into the safe house and set up on there turf. This is when 4 police vehicles turned up with the lights and sirens asking us to leave the area. During this you can see that we wasn't going to leave the area and again was warned to do so. Due to the present of police at Grove, this didn't give us much of a choice to do anything as this isn't the first time police have tried to stop us and told us leave. As we have more numbers then police at the situation, we started to engage with police and said that we wasn't leaving and that police should instead or things was going to get heated up. Now understandably this is going to be hostile towards police and making threats to police as we have a much bigger force at the time.

Reports came through our radio that police was trying to impound vehicles at Mage Mall and not even 5 secs after that, shooting was heard from there. Multiple people from NSC rushed over there to find out what was going on. This is when we heard shooting from grove street. Now this has turned into an active RP situation with Police and NSC so we chose to fight back after shooting from NSC and police from Mage Mall which lead to NSC shooting at police on Grove Street. From there on, police and NSC was both shooting at each other reasoning why you have been shoot to stop your from leaving and not to report what's going. Once the area was cleared we taken 3 officers and started to leave the area. At this time you have asked NSC to go to QE. Multiple people from NSC stated to you "You will have to wait", " We are in an active RP situation so please wait" and so on. Knowing this, we can not just stop what we are doing and tell police to stop shooting, following us and RPing because you want to go QE as you wasn't the only person involved.

*NSC vehicle begins to fire at something in grove gas and then i got shot by a different vehicle with no substantial prior RP*

Now from what i can hear that there was lake of communication over the radio from police that was involved that NSC was shooting due to police. Understandable, from your POV this information wasn't given/happened, which has left you not knowing what is going on, so your unable to react correctly. Due to this, in my opinion that we haven't broken G1.2 & G7.3 as an on going active RP situation has started with police and at this point have started to shoot at police at the current situation due to the prior engagement with police at Mage Mall.

(G7.5) - Police Sirens
When the Police put on their sirens lights to pull you over to attend a scene this does not mean RP has been initiated on their point, if you shoot without engaging in RP then this is classed as RDM.

G7.5 has no relations to this RP situation as police was not conducting a traffic stop on an individual person or more.
Knowing you was in an active situation at Grove Street, Police engaging with NSC and NSC engaging as well. RP as already been initiated by other officers who was also there and NSC and themselves. With that said, lack of information by officers of what was said and what was going on isn't NSC's fault. You being there and can hear shooting from Mage Mall and Grove should of raised suspicions of what was happening/what's going on. I believe a local was shooting at Grove Gas because of the shooting that just happened between NSC and police from Mage Mall. Just after that was said. Another officer can be heard confused if he was being shoot at by Locals or NSC, which in fact he was being shoot at by NSC.

People involved we're called to QE but after waiting over 5 minutes in QE at least 15 minutes after the shooting, Nobody showed up!

Now putting myself in your shoes. I can understand your furcation of what just happened. Wanting to know what happened and why you was shoot at. I would ask to go QE as well. But, with that being said. NSC was still in an active RP situation dealing with police and RPing with downed officers who was getting medical. taking them to dodge and trying to not get seen by police as the was actively looking for us with multiple other vehicles and even NPAS.

You was told multiple times in OOC that we will come to QE after this situations and be happy to talk. We can not just stop what we are doing, tell police to stop and stop RPing the situation because you kept asking for us to come to QE. It doesn't work like that. Understanding what is going on with the situation. You should have been patient like the other officers that was involved and waited in QE until the situation was over so we can talk and come to understanding like the other officers did in QE after we spoke to them.

I feel like you have rushed into this report out of frustration without thinking it through and given those that was involved a chance to talk in QE and understanding all the facts. If you would still like to talk. Im happy to bring those that was involved into QE to discuss everything that happened so you have a better understanding of all the facts.

 

[DS Jeremy Dent]

Hello Mr Reznikov and thank you for taking the time to reply.. I'd like to start by making it clear that i do not expect any player to stop what they are doing at any point and come to Qe. My message in the "OOC" stated "can those involved at the grove sit come to Qe when quite ready" At no point did i receive a single response in the ooc chat that any of you had acknowledged it. I will be completely honest in saying that i am not interested in any type of liaison, This is not out of rudeness or a lack of respect. You can clealy see from my POV how terrible it was.. Where is the RP? why does it have to be shoot first speak later? all this does is serve to remove a person from a situation.. There are so many different avenues you could have gone down to make this one hell of a fun sit for everyone involved.

reasoning why you have been shoot to stop your from leaving and not to report what's going

At this point, The minute police become under fire, panick buttons would have been pressed and information would have been relayed, I know you are aware of this.

we wasn't going to leave the area and again was warned to do so. Due to the present of police at Grove, this didn't give us much of a choice to do anything as this isn't the first time police have tried to stop us

So leave the area? In what reality would any gang decide that it would be in there best interest to stay? from the sounds of this your group mentality was one of "We have guns and ammo and have come to fight, If we cant beef grove then lets just play with the police untill something happens". You could have all left and re-assed your options.. I'm also questioning why you'd expect not to be challenged by the police who are in fact doing there job disrupting crime and preventing mass injuries/deaths.

we started to engage with police

So what you telling me here is the fact that because police are carrying out lawful duties in trying to make you leave the area, you've all thought it appropiate to just call it open season? I'm guessing you are aware that tow trucks wouldnt just manifest them selves and start taking cars, which just leads me to believe your looking for a reason just for a gunfight. RP should always be primary to which i recieved none.

RPing with downed officers who was getting medical

Using officers as vending machines after at least one of them has "/me Dead from headshot wound" is also a Terrible standard of RP"

Please do not take these comments as vicious or offensive as that's not what im trying to do or be, I am simply 1 voice in many that has had enough of this fragging mentality. We are all here for RP and as group like yours who is either whitelisted or trying to achieve a whitelisted status then i would expect a standard far superior to this. I am also not interested in a back and forth on the forums so this will be my only reply unless other evidence comes to light that needs addressing.

Best regards and have a very merry christmas
DS Dent

 

[Huntz-OG]

hello.

I was at this situation and to my understanding you lot pulled up before any interaction has happened between us and grove you've turned up right behind with lights on straight away telling us to leave and we've asked you to leave as nothings happened and your lot response was we ain't leaving anywhere so we have tried to decide what to do which in turn your lot have decided to start trying to impound our vehicles as maybe a way of trying to get us to leave which in turn has turned into our lot shooting.

as for the vending machine comment I feel like you just want people out of the community as we didn't even take everything and was STILL trying to RP with the officers we had and for the you can't be asked to go and speak in QE comment wouldn't you like to at least talk to someone to explain yourself if it was to be the other way round I believe everyone should get a fair chance to say their peace like we did with the other officers and they felt like they had a better understanding with how it went on with why they got shot etc, so you just cancelled that opportunity for that to happen.

I would also like to add we don't have this "fragging mentality" otherwise every interaction you have with us would be shit and I don't feel its fair to say that because sometimes some situations can't be helped in some cases but again that's why QE is always a good way to go about stuff so you can see their side etc and hopefully come to a better understanding on the whole thing, every one has bad times like not just crims police also do the same thing and I'm not shifting blame just stating that it does happen that some police also have a "fragging mentality" but TBH sometimes its down to to personal perspective but again just need to find out both sides first.

also looking back at your clip you equip your pistol when the cars was bibbing their horns so I'm not sure what you was planning to do with that pistol ??

have a good day.

 

[bobby holden]

hello all,

I am going to be adding some footage from my perspective to assist the staff in make a informed decision.

I had not long got on duty and on the radio I heard something happening at Mega mall so after listening in for a short period I had decided to assist, shots were heard being fired and I believe no warnings given, but myself and others thought it was pissed off locals in the area, I had then gone to the ally way near grove I thought I saw a car in front of me shooting just as I was looking away so I turn back just to confirm. after seeing the person in the car shoot again I radio through and just as I attempt to hit my panic I was shot and incapacitated.

I did attend QE with some members of NSC and I believe 1 other person from the police side once the situation had finished as I had some questions about being shot at with no warning or anything and about the what I felt Poor RP. however during the liaison they said they had warned someone so I was happy to put it down to 1 I either arrived after the warnings or 2. this information wasn't relayed back to other units, this was only due to not being able to prove otherwise.

other footage after this initial situation is to help with the OOC side of things and the Vending machine accusation, this was also brought up in the liaison on how I had felt by the situation and I still left the QE unhappy. but understanding of the whole situation.

NSC were still in a active situation keeping a eye out for police whilst attending to some injured whilst been asked in OOC to join QE, so during the situation I had joined as I was left for a large amount of time and just confirmed that NSC were still busy in a situation so I didn't think they will be attending at this time.

I hope the videos liked do help staff make a informed decision as it gives some context to prior and during the situation, that is my sole intention.

kind regards, B.Holden

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[PC Wyatt Carter]

hello.
i was also present at this situation, after i got reports of said situation happening i decided to come down to area and see what was actually going on and as i pulled up not even past the petrol station i was shot in the head from nowhere dumped into one of your cars and taken to a dodgy doctor. given how i was downed i was trying to the rp the fact i was shot in the head and passed away with /me no pulse/me no pulse shot in the head etc which your guys seemed to completely ignore to just bring me up to my feet and take all my stuff anyways which really is vending machining me. and after which i asked in looc why you lot did that and ignored me which left zero response at all so from from my side i was shot in the head and downed for no reason and taken to said dodgy and vending machined for also no reason while the group completely ignored my rp, but thats just my side from this

have a good day.

 

[Huntz-OG]

Wyatt you got shot as I thought you was coming to back up the officers that we ended up in a shootout with and you just saying /me no pulse etc is trying to cut all RP together as you was getting medical treatment and the dodgy managed to get you up in which you didn't even try to act your injuries just sat there trying to chat shit to us calling us "wet wipes" and other shit, vending machining you would be asking to drop everything you had for some reason you had which I only asked for like 3 things I'm pretty sure and you was trying to not even Rp as to me you was annoyed that you got brought to your feet by the dodgy.

 

[Ronniie]

Hello Everyone, Hope we're all well,

Just going to give my POV (I'm ID 7) as I can see there's so much missing context here & its already hard enough for staff reading to make heads or tails of what's gone on.

So starting from grove st, where NSC had taken over grove's turf in a retaliation for the conflict that is happening this is where 3 - 4 police cars arrive, at first we was holding the area down but decided it would be best to try an avoid getting things aggravated even more than it was. so we decided to get down from roofs & other spots around the area & got in our cars to leave, this is when we get a call over radio that police are impounding the cars behind mega mall, they was told not too let you impound those cars & so the officers was shot they was both killed instantly so you would not of received a panic alarm but You knew what the outcome of impounding those cars was going to be yet it was funny to "really piss them off" Not sure why you'd try add to the hostile environment when your there to prevent the loss of life & too prevent crime?

Anyway, Multiple members of NSC warned officers to leave the area, they didn't listen! There was just further threats like "this wont end well",

Moving on from the shooting & on to the aftermath I.e the doctor & taking you else where, as you can see from your POV (I'm the one with the helmet armour), I'm trying to cover Mr Dents injuries but from the very start of him getting put into a car downed he just hits me a /me no pulse - /me suffers from HS wound?(You can see my /LOOC's in your POV) Now Mr dent was shot with a revolver out of his car so the just use the "I've been headshot" was a tad far fetched imo & was just was way for him not interact with us, there would of also many ways Mr Dent could of gone around his part but he gave us nothing to go with.

Moving on to why you got zipped and put into the car as explained in QE we had members surrounding the area & other police units had been sighted 200 meters or less away you can hear the sirens & NPAS so we was securing you as you knew who we was, what we had done & didn't want to risk the potential forensics etc so we put you in the car as you can hear me talk on my radio "Someone put this officer in their car" to prevent you getting away and informing other police of what had happened.

Do I think the situation could of been better? yes, but it could of been better from both parties we joined QE with two or three of the officers & explained our side but Mr dent was not present despite one of the officers reaching out to him via discord to let him know that the liason was taking place.

But to use terms such as *Vending machine rp* & *Fragging mentality* is really a throw & again imo just shows this report is because your pissed off that it didn't end well for you rather than us like intended.

 

[DS Jeremy Dent]

Hi Ronnie hope all is well

This will be my only reply and that is too correct you on your information, at no point was I taken from my car and dodgied. I remained at the scene as my vehicle was locked. This report also has not been made because “you was pissed off”. I actually have come to expect this level of RP from certain groups so I at this point it no longer phases me, this report however was made to address the fact that myself and other officers have been executed with Very poor standards of RP and the report will address those issues with the help of staff. My intention is not to remove people from this community as without crims, police RP would be drastically boring. My sole intention with this report is to improve standards as a whole and hold people accountable for Poor RP standards.. you state that we’ve been warned so in your eyes because 2-3 of you have warned us this means that you have the authority to KOS us? Sound like 3..2..1 bang to me.. at no point have I accused any of you of fragging however I’m merely stating that this is becoming a frequent dynamic amongst some “OCG’s”. That being said I can agree that impounding cars would serve as cause to wind you up hence why I did not join in those actions.. there are ways and processes you could have utilised to make this scenario enjoyable but you as a group chose to escalate it to the highest form within less than 7 minutes of the situation occurring.. with this being a serious role play server I still to this day struggle to understand why gangs think it acceptable to have a battle royale in the middle of the city but alas I’m going off topic.. with the extra evidence that has now been handed over there is no further need for debate here.. I will leave this to be handled by the correct people.

All the best
Dent

 

[Huntz-OG]

you follow us straight to grove street before anything kicks off and immediately turn on your lights telling us to leave you had no idea what was going on we could of been going there to squash the "BEEF" for all you and your officers know and immediately tell us to leave and say your not leaving so you guys got told to leave in which your lot response was we ain't leaving anywhere so we started warning you all and obviously the officers got shot trying to impound our cars in turn we thought you all was going to react to it and again you equip you pistol getting ready before anything even kicked off so you was weary about the situation.

 

[Charles Vane]

This does seem like a scenario where this could have been spoken about OOC after the event and not straight away of course whilst the roleplay is still going ahead. It could have probably been identified as something which both sides could have gone "yeah we could have done better here" and left happy or neutral. However now were here and i am going to be looking at this from a quality of RP point of view not a box ticking exercise of RDM.

So, yes. A cop was shot the complte opposite side of Mega mall 20 seconds before Jeremy Dent was also shot down on grove gas. So, could we say that was a active shootout between police/NSC from that?

Usually, i would say we couldnt tell that 100% because we dont have the information on the starting of the shootout, if its been communicated or what. However from this comment here:

they was told not too let you impound those cars & so the officers was shot they was both killed instantly so you would not of received a panic alarm

from @Ronniie it clearly tells us that they knew he never had time to panic or alert others. So we cannot confirm that and we cannot confirm if that was RDM. However from the POV of the other police at Grove Gas and from the admission there. Its clear to see you knew police had no knowledge of this behind MegaMall. And its clear that even after the shooting within that 20 seconds between the two you would have had plenty of time to make something very clear to the officers that clearly had no idea what was going on the other side of megamall that they should leave.

Hostile situations are fine. However you need to ensure that your playing fair and quality roleplay is provided before firing that gun. If you put yourself in the perspective of that cop and most of the other police at GroveGas you would also be fuming and no best pleased with whats happened, thus making them also do things like "no pulse" because they would be simply bummed out by no roleplay being provided when you had ample time to do so. So the whole scenario from a police POV would have looked like pure RDM, there drove around in a boot. Stripped of gear took away and killed again or left ziptied. Its not quality roleplay. Its not thinking of the other side having fun making it much more of an enjoyable experience for all.

So, Andrian Reznikov who was the first kill over on grove gas who shot Jeremy will be getting a 24 hour ban for RDM as no quality roleplay was provided when you have said you knew the other officers had no chance to notify others of a problem.

This could have been avoided by ANY one of you stepping up at grove gas and making the police aware of another level of escalation. But nobody did. As for the dodgys, like i said before. Make it enjoyable for the other side. Then people wont come to a report and throw around sayings like "vending machine rp".

Cheers