Report a player - Julian Poole (cop) - GTA RP

[OllieR]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Ollie BUX

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: Julian Poole (cop)

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 08/24/22

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1400

What best describes this incident ?: Blatant NVL

Please (in detail) describe the incident: For the last few days we have kidnapped officers and made them say stuff over radio fora bit of fun such as '' RPU are .... '' so on and most officers have found it funny as without knowing we did it to someone streaming and was later sent the clip of the reactions and let them live. However regarding recent roleplay in the city in which a corrupt officer played a double agent we have started executing cops until we locate her. Whilst at Clinton Ave we were refueling and an officer then pulls up. We talk for a second just deciding whether or not to go for it in which we finally do it.

I got off the bike with a shovel whilst the other guy being Dwayne Spike had a sawn off pointed at him. Obviously with how things are in city with pistol bullets although they should be treated as just as lethal IRL people can abuse this system and not worry about tanking a few bullets. Which leads to the huge inflow of shotguns as being the main weapon used especially by people on bikes. I get off the bike and inch closer to the officer as Dwayne pulls around the side of him with a shotgun pointed at him. With the officer fully aware of the situation he was ordered not to press his panic yet he stills fails to comply whilst being outnumbered and someone point blank infront of him and someone ready to open fire. As you can see at the end of the clip we do /me takes keys showing we actually want to make it enjoyable and more sophisticated than people tend to however he just cuts it short by using his panic in order to win the situation whilst out gunned and outnumbered. In my opinion it is a break of NVL as he can clearly see the situation he is in but doesn't want to go along with how it should be done normally.

This then led to lots of officers showing up and us being found in which I had to abandon the vehicle with the officer inside to protect myself something of which the officer lacks. After the situation and once I had got away I tried to contact the officer multiple times as if checked in logs should be apparent. The officer regarding the alpha mike unit did show up and told me his side of things regarding the pointing of taser into a bush and was clear that it wasn't done in an attempt to locate by crosshair. However that officer in the skoda failed to show up even though I made it clear it was the officer at the Gas station in an unmarked skoda as I didn't get his train ticket.

Evidence of asking to come to TS:
https://gyazo.com/790fb8e52a182983b1888778f09a5fde
https://gyazo.com/d8435bc77c7bf6ef3fa73a8b5931a506

Streamer:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1568796923
skip to 01:04:30

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/xTgzBmRTF_Q9G/d1337DdfTNKe?invite=cr-MSxRQU8sNzA2Nzg5NzYs



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

Regarding the streamer POV: I just wanted to show that sometimes we do make it a bit funny for a laugh and allow them to do stuff to live and even though we gave him his radio and other officers told him to panic he still didn't because he could read the room and understand the situation and that shows how it should be done. Bare in mind this was with lower caliber weapons which wouldn't blow your head off in a shot. As shown he type in ooc that it was a funny experience and it's a shame that this officer cut it short because of the win mentality that they all have even though he had no backup around him. 

 

[Julian Poole]

Hi Ollie

Firstly, I can see the effort that you have put into this report and if you genuinely felt that I provided poor roleplay, it was not my intention and I am genuinely shocked by your report.
This is the first time I have had to come to this forum to defend myself and only knew about this when an officer mentioned it to me today.

I have never had any player reports before and genuinely pride myself on providing good roleplay which has never been an issue. I have been in this situation on numerous occasions before again with no issues.

I will explain my side of the story.

I left MRPD with an AM unit (Motorcycle unit) as there was an outstanding stolen police vehicle. I made the motorcycle unit aware that I was headed north to the petrol station to refuel my car before setting off to search for the vehicle.
On arriving at the station, I did notice 2 persons (one being yourself) on a motorcycle at another pump. I will refer to the person on foot as "Person 1" and the one on the motorbike as "Person 2"

I then seen Person 1 run over to me whilst a motorbike went behind me, I believed Person 2 was there to assist as a look-out and to assist with Person 1's escape.
I can see from your clip that Person 2 had pulled the shotgun out as he went around my back, this is not something I seen myself (which is quite clear from your clip).

Person 1 then pulled out a large shovel and said "Don't Panic". Dynamically, I made the decision to panic immediately after this was said based on my following assessment (without knowing there was a shotgun involved):
- I was aware my location was known by colleagues and there were units very close
- A shovel is a large object and I believe that I could have taken a step back and withdrawn/discharged my taser before being hit by a shovel
- I decided against this (taser) for the most likely roleplay scenario would be to hit my panic button as I am putting my hands up, knowing backup is extremely close.

I refer to your comment as follows.. "we do /me takes keys showing we actually want to make it enjoyable and more sophisticated than people tend to however he just cuts it short by using his panic in order to win the situation".

As you can see from the clip, it is clear that I panic very early on, and before Person 1 asks for my keys. During the clip, Person 1 then ties my hands together and then "/me takes keys" where I then provide him with the keys to my police vehicle.
I then proceed to enter the police vehicle in the rear seats where Person 1 drives off in an attempt to hide nearby, where nearly instantly spotted by the motorcycle police unit. 
During the short drive, you mentioned to me that I had a shotgun pointed at me, to which I didn't believe you as I thought you were making an empty remark to make me understand how serious you were about kidnapping me, that was the only time I hear mention of any form of firearm.
Person 1 then runs out of the vehicle and makes off on foot.

The motorcycle unit then releases me from the zip ties where we then complete an area search for the suspects which was negative. 

I note your comment "The officer regarding the alpha mike unit did show up and told me his side of things regarding the pointing of taser into a bush". Once again, we did not know where you were and actually failed to locate you even after an extensive area search.

I had no idea you had attempted to contact me to discuss, not a clue. I can see the first screenshot where it seems you had prepared something to say in /ooc and the second one showing that you said "Can that alpha mike unit and that skoda come to discord Churchill plz".
I did not notice this text at all and not sure how long after the situation you had typed this? Bearing in mind that I was focused on completing an area search with other officers and locating the suspects. 
If it was a while after the scenario, I cannot remember how long I stayed in the city for, so without this information I cannot exactly give the most likely reason, I simply did not know. 

I note your confirmation that the motorcycle unit showed up, but no one made me aware of this. Did you ask him to contact me directly to show up? I assume you wanted me to show up to the police liaison in discord?

Once again, I want to reiterate it was most certainly not intentional to make you feel that I "didn't go along with how it should be done normally" and most certainly did not try to "win the situation". If I was honestly trying to "win the situation" I would have taken a more forceful approach, but I dynamically assessed the way I acted to be the most likely outcome.

I am more than happy to chat through this if you would prefer and once really hope you can see it from my point of view.

Julian

 

[OllieR]

Lets start from before I even wrote this report. I have never reported anyone before on forums but that isn't saying people haven't broken rules which have upset me but it is what was lost due to this NVL. You state you did not see the shotgun but as shown in the clip he pulls it out before pulling up behind yourself. In addition to this, from what I believe to be logic is that if another person is still on a bike and yelling ''Put your hands up'' that suggests although they may not have a melee weapon they are still very much in the fight in terms of firearms but at a further distance. Shotgun infront https://gyazo.com/7084106f9cd6865c03b12b8b89c05007 . As shown it shows a shotgun in his possession at your eye level in which you should be able to see over the boot of this vehicle. As I have stated previously him yelling at you would in itself suggest he is carrying. You claim you had back up just round the corner and that it would be smarter to use a panic button but in that instance when someone has a shovel both of which can be used as a sharp and a blunt weapon is just infront of you along with the shotgun which is more than capable of blowing a whole the size of a football through you. 

Which leads me on to the next point of why I am making this report. Although you had no bodycam of the incident you were still able to know who it was. This not being by voice recognition as Dwayne has never been arrested by you. So how would you know it was him in the first place. If you state the ANPR then I believe that excuse is just shocking due to the fact we drove past multiple other vehicle whilst doing so. Not one point during the situation did Dwayne get chased by the cops which would signal whose bike it is so I question how the information about the details of the plate of the bike was recovered as there was no street cameras in the area. 

I didn't want to make this report however due to what I believe to be a rule break it cost us a lot more than what it should have. You living allowed you to then put a warrant out for Dwayne's arrest however it would never have got to that point if it wasn't for the NVL. I have never personally dealt with you to my knowledge and don't want to throw around the whole cop winning mentality as I have no idea what you are like. However from this instance you are outnumbered and although ordered not to panic you still do cutting off the roleplay due to the fact that officers will swarm the place. To be honest we could have shot you on sight and left you for dead obviously that would involve you playing the injuries and not miraculously surviving a shotgun to the head. However we wanted to make it enjoyable but that was limited due to the fail safe so many cops abuse in the city. Again I want to know how you knew the plate of the bike that drove off straight away and was dumped. 

In regards, to the ooc about 5 minutes after I called you to ooc so I'm not exactly sure how you didn't see but had enough time to make a warrant which had no bodycam on it. I'm not going to go to TS again as I was in there for about 25 Minutes waiting and don't see why I should do it again so rather it just be done over here for the admins to decide on. 

Hope you have a good day and I genuinely don't want to be reporting people.

Ollie    

 

[Julian Poole]

Hi Ollie

Thanks for responding to my comments. 
A few points I want to make. 

Firstly in regards to the shotgun. To me, the screen shot shows my head facing Person 1 and I know the shotgun was not even in my peripheral vision, which is exactly what it looks like in the image you provided. 
 

Lets play devils advocate and say if was in the peripheral, if this was the case then it was probably only there for a split second (probably a tenth of a second) which could have been so easily overlooked if that was the case. 
 

Just to reconfirm my threat assessment during the “hold up”. When considering impact factors such as distance between me and person 1, the distance of person 2 ( I could faintly hear a motorbike engine behind me and heard him travel past me which gave me the assumption he was waiting ready to make a fast escape) as well as the physical threat of close violence by means of a shovel (no other objects believed to be in play). My thought process was that I could quite swiftly pull out a taser, take a jump back, taser person 1 before he gets a chance to swing a big object like a shovel and then jump into the police vehicle and make my escape. I don’t believe the person on the bike would have had enough reaction time to have come within my close quarters. Remember, this is without me knowing there are any firearms involved. 
I did not chose this option as I felt that the MOST LIKELY outcome for the vast majority of cops would have been to just panic and play along with backup very near. 

I now know this is not what you wanted to happen and how you wanted to play it out yourself, but please remember there are other peoples thought and reasonings into how things pan out.

in regards to “Dwayne”, I have no idea who Dwayne is. I don’t believe I had ever encountered you before, and if I had I do not remember. 
Following on from when I was released by officers, I put a call out on the radio which is summarised as follows:

- Confirmed I had been kidnapped

- Passed the descriptions of both persons involved, including sighting of a shovel

- I then mentioned, around 1 minute from passing the previous description, that there was mention of a shotgun from Person 1 whilst inside the police vehicle to me. but I had not seen one (hope this can be checked)

- Another officer, who I do not know, mentioned a persons name who he beloved was responsible as “he has form for possession of a shotgun and I seen him in the city today”. Again, I don’t know who this officer is OR who “Dwayne” is

- An officer (maybe the same one as above) said that he had put a warrant in place for that person (can’t remember if he said “Dwayne”) and for me to fill in the details when I can

- I can only assume that if the bike was added to the watchlist, this was not done by me, it would have probably been because it was in Dwaynes listed vehicles. If this is not the case I have no idea how it was listed 

- I had only added situational details to the warrant and I am certain the warrant system will back up what I am saying here with an audit check  

To summarise, I only passed the descriptions from what I seen of the 2 persons at the time. Including the conversation inside the vehicle when you mentioned a shotgun. 
 

I can also see a few discrepancies in what you initially reported also which were addressed in my previous post. 
 

I have my bodycam on buffer for a length of 2 minutes. I believe I pressed it when I was being let out of the police vehicle so may have just missed the interaction at the fuel station but thankfully you have captured that yourself which proves what I’m saying. 
 

I will look for my footage when I’m home and post it which hopefully can add more value to the situation. 
 

Again I appreciate the effort you are going through with this report as it does show that people are passionate about role play which is great to see!

 I just think we have a slightly different understanding of how a situation was played out and different opinions, which to be fair we are human so is normal. 
 

Julian 

 

[Julian Poole]

Just to add one more point. 
When we talk about differing opinions, the same could be said for actions of the criminal. 
Although I am not experienced in this area, the most logical and likely move a criminal would make when taking a police officer hostage would be to move quickly and get as far away from the city and location as possible, widening the gap between the criminal and the police. 
 

If this would have happened in this scenario, I’m sure the criminal would have got away with the officer. Again, things don’t always pan out in plain narrative as there are other consideration that needs to be made for contingencies. 
Everything isn’t always linear, there must be room for other options. 

 

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[OllieR]

Will make a reply tomorrow as currently have other things to do. 

 

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Good Afternoon @OllieR@KPikey, I hope you are both having a lovely day

Now lets jump into this report. It seems as if @OllieRhas reported yourself @KPikeyfor NVL. After reviewing the footage provided Ollie it seems as if you attempted to hold this officer up with a shovel and demanded him to put his hands up and not to panic, after you say that the officer then panics before putting his hands up therefore ignoring your demands whilst at a clear disadvantage. @KPikeyyou claim to have not seen the gun in the scenario and felt you had enough space between yourself and the aggressor to pull out your taser and combat roll however you were clearly caught off guard as he was standing right beside you with the shovel before giving you a demand not to panic, you then ignored this demand and chose to panic anyway which is a clear breach of NVL despite you claiming you weren't aware of the shotgun. The shotgun in this scenario shouldnt have mattered as you were still at a clear disadvantage due to the shovel. You should value your life at all times when at a clear disadvantage and therefore allowing for potentially interesting roleplay scenarios to play out. I can see you have a pretty clean record so on this occasion I will be issuing you with a warning, if you find yourself in a similar situation in future value your life.

Conclusion

Character ID - 71989

Rules - G2.4

Action - Warning

 

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