Report a player - John Wittenberry - GTA RP

[Timo Langston]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Tim Lang
Reported Players: John Wittenberry
Date: Aug 12, 2024
Time: 01:24
What best describes this incident: Common sense and Avoiding RP
Please (in detail) describe the incident: I would like clarification on this as to me this is not in the spirit of RP at all and is very frustrating to deal with.

We (Cypress) had got word that John Wittenberry was inside Pillbox Hospital so made our way there as quick as possible to try and catch him and have some hostile RP with him as for just over 2 weeks our group has had beef with Cutlass with around 6 gunfights within that time. Recently it has become increasingly harder to find Cutlass members and it seems that when we do they aren't around for very long. As a player that enjoys RP it has become very frustrating to not be able to RP with the opposing side as they will not give us the opportunity to. I can understand the hiding within the server as that in itself is an RP issue, but to find out that when we do find someone like we did in this situation they log off as soon as they are out of our sight is far from a RP issue and its extremely frustrating.

In the liaison I mention a previous situation we had yesterday where we discover John is inside Marabuntas shop and he has 2 phone calls with fellow Cypress member Danny Mclovin where it was mentioned that we were going to come and get him. We later find out he has logged off inside of the shop while we were traveling to his location. This situation was not reported as although in my mind it is against the spirit of RP I gave him the benefit of the doubt as we were not actively on scene so to speak. After my liaison with John he seems to not understand my point a view and instead mentions that a rule has not been broken and while I can see by the letter of the law it has not, it still seems to be totally against what this server is about and that's Roleplay.

I'm stuck with a hard choice, I want to RP but what am I meant to do when the players I have beef with abuse the fact they can log off as soon as I am in the vicinity using the fact that words have not been spoken to them to justify it.

If someone can clarify that this is acceptable or not that would be great as I would like it to be highlighted so this sort of thing can stop happening and I can continue to enjoy actually Roleplaying with the characters I/We have beef with.

Evidence 1 - Full situation

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Evidence 2 - Liaison with myself and John

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[Macca]

Good Afternoon Tim and to whichever staff look at this report, hope your days are going well.

Prior to logging off, I was not involved in any Hostile Roleplay. You've carefully prepared the report to make it appear as if something was going on when there wasn't. You're making it impossible for me to log off without being reported and you mentioned Roleplay multiple times but just showed a clip of you hovering around pillbox?

I'm also very curious as to why you starting driving through bushes as well Tim, could you maybe give me some insight to this please.

 

[Timo Langston]

Hi John, yes you are correct and I am not disputing that you were not spoken to or involved in any Roleplay at the time you logged off. Although there wasn't any active Roleplay at the time, you were well aware that we (Cypress) were there and once we had seen you we were going to engage with you.
However as I have clearly stated in the report: 1. I am asking for clarification & 2. I feel it is not in the spirt of Roleplay to be logging off once seeing us all the while knowing we are looking for you (Cutlass members). Following that I would like to ask why you chose to log off and how long were you on the server previous to this situation at Pillbox.

In some situations John it is impossible to log off without being reported, there is a whole rule surrounding that. Alas this is not what I am going to discuss in this report.

You are again correct I do mention Roleplay multiple times as I feel you have taken actions to avoid it on more than one occasion now. My clip shows me going to Pillbox ready to grab yourself to which point you see us (Cypress members) and run out of sight to log off all the while knowing that we (Cypress members) are looking to grab you (Cutlass members).

I find it interesting that you are so curious about me driving through bushes as this is a strategy I have seen be used by Cutlass so maybe you can ask them for some insight into this instead of bringing it up here.

Following on from our liaison and seeing your response today I will only be responding to points that are appropriate to this report and of course any staff member that has any questions.

Thank you.

 

[Macca]

Hi Tim, you've stated that "you wasn't spoken to or involved in any roleplay at the time I logged off", this is correct, in roleplay I'm not in any form of cutlass attire nor am i noticeable to anyone from my understanding, how am I meant to know in roleplay that you know this is me at the time?, that's a question id like you to answer for me Tim, bare in mind I'm in a populated place on the server where people are in and out of constantly.

I feel it is not in the spirt of Roleplay to be logging off once seeing us all the while knowing we are looking for you (Cutlass members)

Again Tim in roleplay how am I meant to know that cypress are looking for me knowing that's me in Pillbox, like I explained a bit further up I'm in no form of cutlass attire or clothing, I'm wearing white and black, a outfit id see on a normal person/civilian on the server.

Following that I would like to ask why you chose to log off and how long were you on the server previous to this situation at Pillbox.

I had went to Pillbox because i had gained some injuries to myself, i had went to lay in the bed and get the injuries to a certain percentage before they would start to heal themselves, they had healed and i decided to get up and go to lower pillbox where I went and logged off, i was in no form of roleplay, I don't see a valid reason why I cant log off, again i may sound like a broken record when i say this but how am i meant to know cypress are there for ME? no form of roleplay has happened, to my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong I'm able to log off when i feel when I'm not involved in any sort of RP, as much as you feel like i was avoiding the roleplay how am i meant to know any form of roleplay was about to happen?

To be honest Tim its probably a good job i decided to call it a night, i don't really fancy getting RVDM'd.

 

[Timo Langston]

Hi John,

Regardless of if you know whether or not that we know its you I would expect after seeing us knowing full well we (Cypress) are after you (Cutlass) that you would make an attempt to leave the scene though Roleplay and not just by simply logging off. As to me that is within the spirt of what this server is all about, Roleplay.

You seem to be echoing the same thing throughout your latest response about "how am i meant to know cypress are there for ME?". Even though you admitted to knowing Cypress are looking for Cutlass. This is shown in the evidence I attached on this report.

"as much as you feel like i was avoiding the roleplay how am i meant to know any form of roleplay was about to happen?" I'm so glad you said this because again in the liaison you admitted to knowing Cypress are out looking for Cutlass and this leads perfectly into the Common Sense part that has been reported. I would say that common sense suggests if one group is looking for another and you are part of one of those groups that when you see members from the other group you would expect some sort of Roleplay to happen. As you can see from the evidence it was indeed about to until the realisation that you had logged off ripping that Roleplay away from not only us but yourself.

Thank you.

 

[Nikolai]

hello peoples, this report has been sitting for long enough i would think, so let us get it closed.

long story short, no one will be banned/warned/whatever, @Timo Langston i do get your frustration of the incident, but in all honestly, John wasn't engaged in any RP with you(or anyone else) at the time he logged off, meaning he's more than allowed to log out if he wants to.

this does bring me to a secondary point that i would like to make clear to all the lovely people reading this report.

just because this report got denied does not mean you can log off right infront of people wanting to engage in RP with you just because they never spoke to you prior.
it's all based on context, on this report the context is simple John was at pillbox getting treatment for wounds, he finished getting treatment for said wounds, went to lower pillbox and logged off without anyone(from the videos atleast) speaking to him
that does not equal "gang x is at gang y's turf looking for members, Y member notices whilst he's at turf, get spotted and thenruns in and logs off inside y gang house/compound" < that is completely different and will be dealt with in a separate way compared to this, case by case as we always say.

thank you for the report timo, have a nice day

Denied