Report a player - John Kray - GTA RP

[Paru]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Tommy Anderson

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: John Kray

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 10/25/21

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 23

What best describes this incident ?: Powergaming/poor character separation - using "Dashcam" footage in order to take someone to court despite the RP clearly showing the dashcam had no SD card in.

Please (in detail) describe the incident: TLR at the bottom
So, in relation to the RP Situation that occurred, officers attended a shop robbery, of which John Kray was the Criminal, not entirely sure how he fled from the shop etc, but myself as callsign Zulu 9 joined a short and brief pursuit in this pursuit contact was made with his vehicle accidentally which then caused a crash, the RP situ to this point was absolutely fair, a foot pursuit ensued John Kray was shot at by myself due to him pointing a taser at me in this foot pursuit, still fair game at this point, John was apprehended read his caution etc by the arresting officer, however he claimed to have had a "dashcam" inside the stolen local vehicle he used, to most people that's ridiculous, I accept that fact in RP and say sure, whatever, however John then makes attempts to grab this dashcam of which I refused and told him as far as I was concerned it belonged to the vehicle owner (I used the name Dorris who lives in Vinewood in the RP) as the owner of the vehicle, and that the vehicle would be returned to her, he then asked again for it so on so forth, I hop in check the vehicle say "There's no SD Card in it anyway" John is then taken away and processed, the issue is John has on the date aforementioned opened a Court Case against myself, USING THE DASHCAM FOOTAGE, which is 100% Powergaming as throughout the RP scenario he had no footage at all, I have made attempts with the Judiciary to have the case dismissed as it's initial opening is purely based on "Dashcam" footage that had been powergamed, Staff Lead had also agreed that the footage had been powergamed, I had also warned John Kray via DM's that if he did use that footage for a court case i'd open a report as it was clear cut powergaming, I was ignored in my messages and a court case was opened regardless.

In addition to the above, John Kray appears to be acting as if he's some sort of solicitor throughout the interactions that were had, which shows quite clearly that he suffers from poor character separation, as he made wild and solicitor like accusations the moment he was arrested, this shows that he was crossing borders with his Judge character and his cop character, John Kray at the time was VERY new to the city as a character and had next to no back story with the Police Service.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16mVqIPtHgXVfXzxMUZr43aLVBAKLcSdYXtDPBFce6J0/edit
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

TLR

Gotcha

 

[BenC]

I'm sorry but I don't see **MY** dashcam footage in the case file you have attached. 

I am allowed to say that the dashcam physically exists but the footage doesn't. (As said by Bowen)

The footage you see in the case file is PC Hendrickson's BWV which is perfectly allowed. As extensively discussed with staff, the police solicitor and the Judge's. 

You also can't say that you didn't intend to roleplay out the scene when you did and then just because you've been caught up in a court case you then try to say you're not involved with the roleplay anymore when basically a day after the situation you admitted oog to being involved and you were doing a "sprinkle of corruption" and that "you went out of your way so I couldn't obtain the dashcam" 

--> I also spoke to staff after that and they advised me so I DID drop MY dashcam VIDEO.

As staff stated the physical dashcam is there but the video is not

(I am also willing to solve the issue and if I have taken Bowen's words wrongly I will happily correct myself) but as far as I'm aware I'm allowed to use the physical dashcam



https://streamable.com/n5lzzh

This is the video that has been submitted as evidence in the court case. This is a BWV from an officer. This is completely acceptable as you know.

As per below this is the evidence we have submitted. None of this is powergaming and has been approved by Bowen as far as I'm aware. The dashcam video was excluded after day 1 and it's about week 3/4 at this point

 

[Paru]

My issue is that you took it upon yourself despite being advised that the footage you were going to use was powergaming to then continue this court case FORCING RP, I won't be forced to participate in RP when that RP was 1. Of poor standard and no well played out and 2. Powergamed extensively.

 

[BenC]

My issue is that you took it upon yourself despite being advised that the footage you were going to use was powergaming to then continue this court case FORCING RP, I won't be forced to participate in RP when that RP was 1. Of poor standard and no well played out and 2. Powergamed extensively.

And that's why that dashcam was dropped from the case, so there is no power gaming. Staff has said nothing else is power gaming and they have advised both sides on what to drop and what is "acceptable". Both sides in this case have power gamed at one point and both parties have managed to get through this and simply let it play out in roleplay (after all it is a roleplay server) and I think it would be a shame

The roleplay still occurred and just because you roleplayed as a corrupt cop (which is allowed) doesn't mean you should get away with it just because you decided to suddenly decide not to participate in the roleplay after this has gone to court. You weren't forced to openly be corrupt, you could've acted like the other 8 officers at the scene. You openly admitted to roleplaying this out:



(As per these messages I spoke to staff and realised I was wrong so I dropped the dashcam footage as you asked). You aren't being trialled based on this dashcam, you're currently being sued for the rest of the evidence in the case file attached in the original case which shows an officers BWV showing you roleplaying that there's a dashcam inside a vehicle.

As I said I'm happy to try and solve this and sit down and have a chat to you about it if you would like

 

[Paru]

I tried to resolve this with in DM's on more than one occasion you tried to change the RP Story OOC in order to retain the dashcam footage, all in all i'd rather have a staff member review this report as it can't be resolved despite my attempts to do so, you have a CIV Character who AT THE TIME was VERY new to the city and as such should have ZERO idea about the laws and legislations surrounding the circumstances of your arrest, yet John Kray seemed to have FULL knowledge of the law and even the extent of the law, and that's not on, that's clear cut poor character separation, your character at the time had NO backstory, no build up etc. So for him to know the law is just weird and not even close to realistic.

 

[BenC]

I tried to resolve this with in DM's on more than one occasion you tried to change the RP Story OOC in order to retain the dashcam footage, all in all i'd rather have a staff member review this report as it can't be resolved despite my attempts to do so, you have a CIV Character who AT THE TIME was VERY new to the city and as such should have ZERO idea about the laws and legislations surrounding the circumstances of your arrest, yet John Kray seemed to have FULL knowledge of the law and even the extent of the law, and that's not on, that's clear cut poor character separation, your character at the time had NO backstory, no build up etc. So for him to know the law is just weird and not even close to realistic.

As for my character I explained my back story over discord so that is irrelevant.

Well technically we did resolve your issues as I did DROP and not using the dashcam which you're saying I'm using atm which I'm not as per the case file

But as per staff messages in the case chat I have been led to believe what I'm doing *at the moment with the evidence my solicitor and I have provided* I'm not doing anything wrong however if the staff reviewing this case disagrees with what has been said I'm more than happy to drop this case and resolve this but at this moment in time I have been led to believe I'm not in the wrong at this moment in time.

 

[Bowen]

As discussed with myself in and the parties in TeamSpeak today, This report is being dropped. Thank you letting cooler heads prevail, glad we can all be adults! 

Closed

 

[Bowen]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.