Report a Player - John Dillinger - RDM (Rejected)

[Qrow]

Your In-game name

[TCK] Sam W

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

John Dillinger

Date of the incident

10/01/2017

Time of the incident (GMT)

1145

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

Bringing this report up mainly for clarification a lot of things have been said about initiation and when you can and can not shoot in light of other report outcomes that have been made. I would like to make it clear that I'm not seeking a player ban for this report, but for me it is a community issue. 
I don't believe JD would have done this if he thought he was breaking a rule, as he is very aware of said rules, if he even is.
We're waiting for his truck to pull up at Meth Dealer. He's scouting the area.
I make my initiation, before I can finish the first sentence I take some MK1 rounds to the chest.

My gun is drawn, his gun is drawn, I make an initiation with a demand. I can absolutely see and understand how life would feel threatened. But no RP was engaged in whatsoever. So what's the deal here?

N.B. for some reason my recording has not recorded my voice, but you can see my mic is open in direct channel and i've attached a separate video of the initiation from another point of view that has got my voice on it.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmLtLhCfusY&feature=youtu.be

https://plays.tv/video/59d0cc1663fee31936/john-dillinger 
The second video. 
 
 
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

 

[RuTHLeSS INFO]

Hello,

Sometimes I ask myself what goes through players mind after someone intiating on them like this shown in the video?

There wasn`t any effort in RP from john in both videos shown, and howcome? Was he all tensed up and very nervous during the time?

He reacted as he would in real life from the way I see this....But, I would had like to see more verbal RP coming back.

I hope John takes the time to explain himself and respond to the lack of RP in this incident.

This is a robbery at the end of the day, John was completly nervous during that time since he knew he was being watched but was unaware when he will be intitated on. He had his weapon out the whole time, and his finger on the trigger to protect himself against robbers at any given time. He acted in self-defence prompting his victims backup to attack him even more.

Common sense comes into play during this these types of incidents, just like in Real-Life he would had probaly done the same.  But, this is still a game, and not everything can be identical in real life. We try to promote RP from both parties, especially verbally to satisfy both players during the RP. 

I myself have different opinions when it comes to incidents like this...

 

[Hannah Montana]

Where to start with this one , Ok so im processing meth and see a jet and a hummingbird in the sky and I know this is a TCK tactic as i was a general in this gang for along time two and a half years to be precise . 

As i approach the dirt road i message a UNMC guy for help as i believe im about to be robbed as i noticed the same heli fly over me as i went through Paros , He was unable to help as he was in Kavala but he said he passed the message thrrough command . 

I waited a little but couldnt wait anymore as it weas close to the restart and would ultimately lose my meth if i did not sell , I then have a scout around and decide to go in for the sell as i do so i hear behind me a rustle in the trees and a armed man approach me who then tells me " alright buddy i  want you're hands up " whilst pointing his weapon at me the whole time . 

At this point i shot and killed him to protect myself and due to me being on high alert anyway after ive been watching people watch me in the skies for the last 10 mins.

I get that this is a RP server and sure maybe i could of said a little more but it was my understanding after talking to different staff members on different ocassions that the server is starting to sway away from the " what will happen if i dont " standing as the weapon is the threat to life . 

I would like to make it clear that I'm not seeking a player ban for this report

I believe that this report has been made maliciously against me due to recent events within the copper kings which i will not go into publicly but if a member of staff wants to talk about it in teamspeak then i will gladly chat about it . 

 

[Qrow]

I believe that this report has been made maliciously against me due to recent events within the copper kings which i will not go into publicly but if a member of staff wants to talk about it in teamspeak then i will gladly chat about it . 

i'm a new member of TCK, joined about a week ago. The report is about that which, before this incident I would have seen as clear RDM at the meth dealer and where the line is drawn on this issue. I meant what I said in the report, and I personally am not seeking anything other than an affirmative Ok/Not Ok resolution of this issue for myself, the members of my gang and the wider community.  

 

[Hannah Montana]

i'm a new member of TCK, joined about a week ago. The report is about what before this incident I would have seen as clear RDM at the meth dealer and where the line is drawn on this issue. I meant what I said in the report, and I personally am not seeking anything other than an affirmative Ok/Not Ok resolution of this issue for myself, the members of my gang and the wider community.  

And you need to make a player report to do this , why didnt you go to staff help to get you're answer , I stand by what i have said this is a malicious report against me for things that have gone on within the copper kings which im not going to talk about publicly . 

Also this is not RDM it is in no way RANDOM and they key word here is RANDOM , you initiated on me and went to go into a defensive position around the side of my truck so your sniper had a clear shot on me . 

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[Qrow]

And you need to make a player report to do this , why didnt you go to staff help to get you're answer , I stand by what i have said this is a malicious report against me for things that have gone on within the copper kings which im not going to talk about publicly .

To clarify John, I did speak to staff. The staff I spoke to are of the opinion that this is RDM. I understand that you have a different opinion and as I said above, I do not believe that you would have committed it knowingly. Which I why I made this issue public. 

 

[Hannah Montana]

To clarify John, I did speak to staff. The staff I spoke to are of the opinion that this is RDM. I understand that you have a different opinion and as I said above, I do not believe that you would have committed it knowingly. Which I why I made this issue public. 

That makes no sense and we are going around in circles , There was so many other avenues available to you to ask this question other than a player report , you could of eaisly posted a question in the altis chat section or better still you could of came to me and resolved the issue like adults , do you know how much time i spend on a daily basis in team speak or in staff support with people who break rules , absoultely hours of my time through the day is spent this way , I stand by what i say that this is malcious and you want me banned . 

I have no more to say on this matter and lerave it to staff to decide the outcome of the report , Thank you for you're time . 

 

[Qrow]

Common sense comes into play during this these types of incidents, just like in Real-Life he would had probaly done the same.  But, this is still a game, and not everything can be identical in real life. We try to promote RP from both parties, especially verbally to satisfy both players during the RP. 

I myself have different opinions when it comes to incidents like this...

Which is why I was bringing this up in this manner.

(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM.

Its from this rule that I draw issue with and I feel like this rule is in place to prevent what happened there with no communication whats so ever. I'm not looking for the "Or what" sort of bait or anything a long those lines. 

I'm not disputing common sense, but within the perameters of the game there's little to stop someone walking around with a rook drawn any time they feel nervous / are doing any form of run. Then when they get initiated on / given a demand putting 3 in someones chest. A rook is a legal firearm and as long as you're not doing anything suspicious no one is going to stop you. 
I'm not advocating making it easier to rob people, no one likes having their time wasted and their efforts thwarted it is generally an unpleasant experience but I feel like 2.2 is basically irrelevant if this is okay.  I don't personally enjoy trying to rob people, its a far cry from my favorite part of the game but it is part of the game and I'm sure like me, others don't want their head blown off every time they open their mouth with a gun drawn. 
My gun was raised, because I am aware that John is armed but I had no intention of shooting John when I initiated and had we RP'd that would've become very clear that I wasn't after his life. Just like in real life. 
People do bad things in RL. There are a great number of people that use a firearm to forcibly obtain money from others, with no immediate intention of using that firearm. Just as there are people that do have that intent. I concede the likelihood of being shot is higher when your faced with a firearm, but you can't initiate without one so that's a little cache 22. 
I imagine police officers drawing straws on who has to take a bullet this time to detain a perpetrator. 

I feel the rule might need to be rewritten in this case. The first thing I did when the incident happened and upon consulting other people was check the rules update forum. If we're not talking RDM due to the self defense explanation, does it become some sort of fail RP as indicated by the latter part of 2.2.

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I've never played with John in TCK. I've met him in game maybe 4 times, twice on the end of his gun, once on the end of mine and once when we've helped him. Once on teamspeak.
The issue John has with TCK or that TCK has with John is none of my business.
I have heard Johns side of some of his issue, but I haven't gone looking for the rest of the story. I haven't heard anything else about it from the members of TCK and i'm not influenced by It as it has nothing to do with me. 


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I feel like the conversation might only deteriorate further from here so I'm going to leave it here.
Thanks, 
Sam. 

 

[Hannah Montana]

I would like to make it clear that I'm not seeking a player ban for this report

 

[Hannah Montana]

After a discussion with sam on teamspeak this issue has been resolved , There was a misunderstanding from myside and i see that now , All i can say is im now fully understand what i done wrong and it wont happen again 

 

[Qrow]

After a discussion with sam on teamspeak this issue has been resolved , There was a misunderstanding from myside and i see that now , All i can say is im now fully understand what i done wrong and it wont happen again 

Thank you John. 

As I said before,  I didn't put this up to get you banned. The way this has gone I know we both feel like that is an inevitable outcome. As such I would like to state that I consider the issue resolved.
However I would like the report to remain up with staff input on resolution if possible in line with my wishes to make sure others don't make the same mistake and we end up in some kind of Roleplay.co.uk La La land. 

 

[Samatlewis]

Right... Well consider this locked pending staff investigation..

 

[RuTHLeSS INFO]

Report has been settled between both parties peacefully, and therefore now closed.