Report a player - Jeep - GTA RP

[Joshua]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Raymond Folwer
Reported Players: Jeep
Date: Mar 1, 2025
Time: 22:00
What best describes this incident: RDM
Please (in detail) describe the incident: As myself and Ponty were responding to a separate incident on a police patrol, we came across what appeared to be a road traffic collision in the middle of the city, we spotted a downed police officer - later found to be hank summers. At the time a police officer had been taken hostage, so we approached to find out what had happened.

Hank Summers told us in character that he had been shot by members of the Cypress gang, but as we had a number disadvantage, we chose not to bite, as clearly shown on the videos below, we loaded the injured officers into the two vehicles and planned to leave, during this time, a member of Cypress took Clare Clancy out the back of the unmarked traffic vehicle, and loaded her into another vehicle, Ponty then chose to act and attempt to stop this, doing his job as a police officer.

At this point, we had one detained, two injured police officers, I exited my vehicle and took my weapon off its sling to show force, we walked towards the vehicles, to which then Jeep pulled out a firearm and shot myself and Ponty without any high quality roleplay.

To be clear, I couldn't care less about being killed and dumped, but i do care about being provided decent high quality roleplay before being killed, instead I was shot and killed within a minute/minute and a half of being on scene, whilst not presenting a threat to the group that had obviously just shot police officers. I think there was a better option here to hold us up, threaten us, release Clare Clancy and be on their way. Even shooting us cold in the street I would have thought was fine, I would have just liked a few more words or threats first that would have made the shooting more enjoyable for myself and Ponty.
Link(s) To Any Evidence: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/jNp6XBxAGgCkRajhZ?invite=cr-MSxHV1YsNTUyODAwNzAs - Arriving on Scene https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/jNp7OY7SmOa-CF9mR?invite=cr-MSxBSUYsNTUyODAwNzAs - Jeep RDM

 

[L1L]

Hello @Joshua!

With the QE after this incident in mind, wich part of this do you feel was ''random'' from my end?

 

[Joshua]

Attacking another player without engaging in any form of quality roleplay is considered RDM. - Directly from the rules G1.2


The shooting was not random, but no high quality roleplay was provided to myself before the shooting.

As a group lead, and a community leader, I would expect you to know this and set the example to your group and other players within the vicinity.

I feel you failed have failed in your responsibility as a community leader to set the example to other players and prove that you provide a consistent high level of roleplay.

"Players who are business owners, organisation leaders or high ranking police officers/NHS personnel. These players should be a leading source of quality story lines and consistently strong roleplayers. Thus will be held to a higher standard under our rules and guidelines. If you wish to become a community leader, you should consistently create roleplay scenarios of a high standard for yourself and others." - G1.7

 

[L1L]

Hey, thanks for the response. I'm a bit confused, as from the liaison, I was under the impression that the responding officers (yourself, Ponty, and Scott) weren't fully aware of what had happened before arriving at the scene?

Just to clarify, you arrived at an active situation where my character had shot two officers only seconds (maybe a minute at most) prior. Based on the context you mentioned yourself in the report, it would have been completely reasonable for us to open fire as you turned up. However, we chose instead to try and fool you, giving you the chance to check on the downed officers and bring them to the NHS.

From there, Ponty decided to attempt an arrest mid-situation, which—considering everything that had led up to that moment—prompted my character to act and shoot.

I think Ponty summed up the issue well during the liaison. It felt like police didn't take enough time to assess the situation before engaging, which led to misunderstandings, mistakes, and ultimately left you exposed to unknown threats.

And honestly, it's important to remember that not everyone can be the "main character" in every scenario, especially when responding to an active and hostile scene. I completely get that it's frustrating to be killed without knowing the full context, but you made the decision to enter the scene without having all the details. With officers on the ground already, telling you they'd just been shot, it shouldn't have been too surprising that you ended up in the same situation.

Regarding some of the other points raised in the Liasion—like there being fewer officers online to back you up, or the suggestion that I should have tried to take you hostage instead of shooting—I do understand why that might seem like the better option. But from my character's perspective, there was no way to know if more police were en route. When Ponty cuffed one of my members, I made the split-second decision to act and protect my crew. We gave demands, but ultimately I saw that as our best shot to get him out safely.

I also think it's unrealistic to expect, as a third party arriving late to an active scene, that players should pause the action to give you the full backstory of what led up to that moment, especially in this case where it would have been self-incriminating.

That said, I really felt we had a good liaison where everyone involved found common ground and understood why things unfolded the way they did. There were mistakes on both sides—whether it was OOC comments, cuffing issues, ramming, or dumping—but I thought we all left with a better understanding for the future.

I'd also like to offer another QE session between just the two of us. I think tone and intention can easily get lost over text, and I'd much rather chat in a voice channel to clear the air properly.

Let me know if you're up for that! @Joshua

 

[Ram]

Hello, @Joshua
As per the FiveM Report Requirements:

• Any clips must include 3-5 minutes of unedited footage before the alleged rule break occurs so staff can gain some idea of context and lead-up.

Could you please provide a longer clip that includes the lead-up to the incident?

 

[Scott1994_]

I was a police officer that was in this situation, So from my point of view. We was dealing with a panic that we had no idea what was going on as the panic went off as we arrived on scene there was a officer on the floor who said that they've been shot by the people around us, as we was out numbered and officers was dealing with a different situation we decided to try and just grab our officers and get out of there. The person in cuffs decided to try and get in a vehicle so Joshua tried to stop him, where jeep decided to shoot ,other officers has been warned to leave to before Joshua tried to stop the PIC but may not been there when this was said. in my opinion and what we said in the QE it was a misunderstanding and each side could of done better.

 

[Joshua]

I will find time to reply to this tomorrow

 

[Joshua]

Hello, @Joshua
As per the FiveM Report Requirements:

• Any clips must include 3-5 minutes of unedited footage before the alleged rule break occurs so staff can gain some idea of context and lead-up.

Could you please provide a longer clip that includes the lead-up to the incident?

Unfortunately all I have is attached to the report @Ram

I was a police officer that was in this situation, So from my point of view. We was dealing with a panic that we had no idea what was going on as the panic went off as we arrived on scene there was a officer on the floor who said that they've been shot by the people around us, as we was out numbered and officers was dealing with a different situation we decided to try and just grab our officers and get out of there. The person in cuffs decided to try and get in a vehicle so Joshua tried to stop him, where jeep decided to shoot ,other officers has been warned to leave to before Joshua tried to stop the PIC but may not been there when this was said. in my opinion and what we said in the QE it was a misunderstanding and each side could of done better.

Thanks for the input Scott, but i wasn't the one who tried to stop Claire getting away. as stated above it was Ponty.

And honestly, it's important to remember that not everyone can be the "main character" in every scenario, especially when responding to an active and hostile scene. I completely get that it's frustrating to be killed without knowing the full context, but you made the decision to enter the scene without having all the details. With officers on the ground already, telling you they'd just been shot, it shouldn't have been too surprising that you ended up in the same situation.



I also think it's unrealistic to expect, as a third party arriving late to an active scene, that players should pause the action to give you the full backstory of what led up to that moment, especially in this case where it would have been self-incriminating.

At no point did I mention 'main character' so i am unsure where this has come from.

I've already stated above, just as I did in the liaison. I have no issues with the shooting, but I do not feel enough High quality roleplay was provided to myself or Ponty for the shooting to take place, in what was a very quick escalation. There were plenty of other options that you could have taken to have Clare released from custody, but instead you chose to shoot us and dump us.

Whilst you as a character may have previous with the police, and be used to more numbers coming (having not know if anyone had panic buttoned or communicated), I feel the player should still ensure that there is adequate and high quality roleplay to ensure standards are upheld on the server.

I will be not replying to this further unless I am asked too by a staff member, if the clips are not adequate for the report, I understand, but this is all i have as I record in 30 second segments.

 

[L1L]

Apologies, @Joshua ,


I just want to clarify I didn’t mean the ''Main character'' as a dig or anything personal. Looking back, I realise my comment came across a bit unfair. What I was trying to get across is that, in my opinion, you were joining an already active (and hostile) situation, so naturally, the type of RP you'd receive might not play out as calmly or structured as you'd expect.


I understand you were hoping for at least “a few more words or threats,” which is fair feedback. But from my perspective, I’ve got a guy in front of me with a much stronger weapon, officers on the floor shouting that they’ve just been shot by me, and the likelihood of more police turning up any second. So when I saw the opportunity to act, I took it.


Just to add as well, we did make sure that at least one of the officers in the situation survived (the others, unfortunately, were unresponsive) so that there was still room for the police to continue RP from it.