Report a Player - jackovich - RDM (Rejected)

[Thymen]

Your In-game name

Mike Litoris

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

jackovich

Date of the incident

05/07/18

Time of the incident (GMT)

2030

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

I got revived. he kills me way to fast, and he "initiated" with something that is basically the same as "hands up or i shoot". before the vid he alreay killed me.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqq6IDibj6M&feature=youtu.be
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[DELETER]

@thymen can you please provide a longer video from when i shot you the first time.  just so the staff leads know what happen from the start and off. 

 

[Thymen]

Im not really sure if that matters. After i got up im not allowed to continue any combat (5.4) so i just try to leave. but then i got killed. all this is vissible in this video. so I think its not related to what hapened earlyer

 

[DELETER]

It does matter. Since you where already told back then if you drive off you will be shot at. And in that situation you allso complained  so yes i think is does matter for leads to see the hole situation and not just showing when you get reviev reload you gun and start run away as soon the medic reviev you.

 

[Matt]

As this is a report against a member of staff this report will be handled by staff leads/management.

(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).

@Thymen Why do you feel the above rules has been broken? 

 

[Thymen]

oke i will give timestamps for in the video you can find above:

6:27: "get that gun on you back" wich is not enough to start a gunfight right? so far so good

6:38: "get that gun or your back...

(one second later)

6:39: "or im gonna shoot you with a 5.8 kalib.. *shooting starts

Conclusion:

I have been given around 1 second to comply. I would class it as low quality rp and therefore rdm wich I will quote from the rdm rule:

 "Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM."

I also want to add that i contacted him multiple times to ask if we could solve this on ts because in my opinion he broke a rule. but he just replied with "nah i didnt break a rule". Even just asking if he can juast talk about the situation was not option. I think as a "member of staff" this is also not a verry good job. +he did in my opinion the same thing earlyer on before the vid. the fact that he did it two times was the reason for me to report it

 

[Matt]

Had they not killed you once already? Can you please provide video of the initial killing so we can get some context please?

 

[Thymen]

I can give you a video but it will take some time but With all respect I don't understand how that context/footage can be relevant. No matter what hapened before, when I get revived I cant continue rp. therefore 1 of us had to reinitiate. Also more than 5 minutes went by. also a reason he had to reinitiate. So then he did lq rp and shot me out of the car.

 

[Matt]

(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).

I see no mention of any time frames in the rule above, I see them roleplaying with you for a good 7 minutes before they shoot you, would you say they didn't give any roleplay at all? They shot you once for trying to flee, I see you complaining to them while you're downed about it, why was them shooting you the second time any different?

What did you think would happen when you jumped in the car?

 

[Thymen]

I quote the rule about revive 5.4:

"[SIZE=medium](5.4) When you are revived/downed:[/SIZE]

You may not actively enter or continue any combat situation for the next 15 minutes.

[SIZE=medium]Your character retains all knowledge of the time before they are downed.[/SIZE]

While you are downed you may not divulge tactical information to anyone. The exception to this is information spoken in direct chat in game. Please be mindful that you are heavily injured and should act accordingly."

"You may not actively enter or continue any combat situation for the next 15 minutes." therefor when im down and get back up there has to be re-initiation. and he did that giving me 1 second to get out of the car.

 

[Matt]

Where is the word 'initiation' or 're-initiation' used in the rules? Because it certainly isn't used under any of the RDM or fail roleplay rules. What the rules do mention is giving quality roleplay, I'd say they probably did give you quality roleplay. Would you consider lying on the floor complaining and passing notes and then trying to run off while surrounded by armed assailants who clearly want a chat with you as quality roleplay?

You're right, you can't actively enter a combat situation so why did you force yourself into one rather than giving yourself up under the overwhelming odds? Do you find yourself unable to lose? A sore loser maybe?

So I'll give you a final chance to state your case as to what was done wrong in the supplied video and then I will make my judgement. 

Maybe try answering some the of the questions I've already asked you:

(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).

I see no mention of any time frames in the rule above, I see them roleplaying with you for a good 7 minutes before they shoot you, would you say they didn't give any roleplay at all? They shot you once for trying to flee, I see you complaining to them while you're downed about it, why was them shooting you the second time any different?

What did you think would happen when you jumped in the car?

 

[Thymen]

What did you think would happen when you jumped in the car?

I would drive away.

Still he shot way to fast (1 sec of time to comply), and he immediatelly shot at me instead of the tires. I would class this as low quality rp. Quote on the rule:

(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).

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Where is the word 'initiation' or 're-initiation' used in the rules? Because it certainly isn't used under any of the RDM or fail roleplay rules.

I think it is in 5.4

[SIZE=medium](5.4) When you are revived/downed:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]You may not actively enter or continue any combat situation for the next 15 minutes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Your character retains all knowledge of the time before they are downed.[/SIZE]

While you are downed you may not divulge tactical information to anyone. The exception to this is information spoken in direct chat in game. Please be mindful that you are heavily injured and should act accordingly.

This means that before any combat there has to be re initiation right? I can not enter or continue any combat situation, so for a new combat to happen someone has to initiate. I would have stopped the car if he said something about it. But he gave me so little time i could never comply. and he also could take out my tires.

+more then 5 minutes went by. this is the second reason there needs to be reinitiation

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about the notes:

I did the notes with "//" so its not ment for rp. to be honnest im not sure if it is allowed but I see everyone using it.

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I quote you:

You're right, you can't actively enter a combat situation so why did you force yourself into one rather than giving yourself up under the overwhelming odds? Do you find yourself unable to lose? A sore loser maybe?

There was no need for me to stop since they only asked me to put my gun on my back. When I was at the car he said:

"come here back right now or im gonna shoot you with a 5.8" is the same as "stop or i shoot"

[SIZE=medium](7.1.3) Killing someone must be carried out with high quality roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. Executing another player must also be carried out with high quality roleplay, the only exception to this rule is if both you and the victim are engaged in a gunfight together. [/SIZE]

So instead of shooting me when i was at the car he could have said that he would take out my tires

 

[Matt]

I can't honestly say the above rules have been broken. They gave you high quality roleplay, shot and killed you once. Instead of them executing you and that being the end of it they allowed the medics to revive you, they chatted to you while you were downed but instead of returning this you typed out messages complaining about the situation before. Once revived you said very little, decided to be cheeky and tried to make a getaway while surrounded by the people who'd only shot you a few minutes prior. You get shot and then quite clearly seek revenge and file this report because their final sentence wasn't of the highest quality, which I'll probably agree could have been better.

You've heavily misinterpreted rule 5.4, there is nowhere in that rule (or any other apart from the VDM rule) that even mentions the concept of requiring an 'initiation'. The rules state you must give high quality roleplay and you shouldn't engage in 'random deathmatch'. There were nothing random about them shooting you, they gave you quality roleplay and thus followed the rules.

I do feel there's an air of revenge involved in this report but shall not take action but we will be keeping an eye on future reports from you.

Report rejected.