Report a player - Imran Teke (Ballas) - GTA RP

[Ravi]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Marcus Shekel

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: Imran Teke (Ballas)

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 12/08/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: --

What best describes this incident ?: G4.3, G4.5, C1.7, ?C2.3, ?G3.1

Please (in detail) describe the incident: Hello all, I appreciate you taking the time to read this report, it may be a lengthy one. This report contains multiple rules that I believe have been broken so please bear with me and I will be happy to answer any questions staff may have. I will also split this report into 2 situations for ease of reading.

Situation 1:
It’s no lie that tensions are high between Grove and Ballas right now. It is because of this Grove decided at midnight that we would go and sit on Balla turf and see if any Ballas show up.
During this situation, Imran Teke and multiple other Ballas went down in the fight. Imran was incapacitated by Erik Ragnarok, a clip will be linked to this report as well as I am sure logs can confirm. Ballas then decided to take their injured to Pillbox which I hope logs can show. I was in a car with Curtis but unfortunately didn’t get a clip of him telling all Ballas that were injured to go back to their turf after getting out of Pillbox.

Both Imran, along with other Ballas did just that and returned to their turf where there were not only still injured Grove bodies, but they decided to then go back to those injured Grove members and sit with their bodies, eliminating all possibility of those Grove being helped due to the sheer volume of Ballas returning to the situation, thus I believe breaking rules G4.5 - “Due to your injuries, you must not re-enter the combat situation that caused you to be downed, unless an aggressor forces you into combat. Deliberately placing yourself in a position that would re-enter you into that combat situation is not allowed”, as well as C1.7 Common Sense – as a roleplay game, every situation is different and not everything can be detailed within these rules and so it is important to remember this is an adult community and some things come down to common sense. I believe these rules to be broken as Imran and the other Ballas that returned to their turf had been injured to the point that they were incapacitated and received medical treatment at Pillbox and returned to their turf where there was just a gun fight. I believe that they had deliberately placed themselves there, breaking G4.5 as they were still Grove members down on their turf. I am aware it is their turf, but common sense should have told them to go to a different location and wait out the situation that was still ongoing on their turf.


Situation 2:
A little later, nearing 1:40am, there were multiple Grove members sitting inside our safehouse when approximately 10 Ballas pulled up to the turf and started speaking with us through the door. During this fight, Imran was injured again (by Jack Bolina, this can be seen in logs as well as the clip linked to this report) to the point where he was incapacitated. Once all Ballas that were present on Grove Street were downed in the fight (that we believe), 2 Grove members decided to take 2 of the Ballas that had been downed to a dodgy doctor (the 2 Ballas were Dwayne Spike and Charlie Senna, just to clarify, these 2 Ballas are not being reported, this is purely for context). Once the 2 Grove members arrived at the dodgy doctor, shots started out of seemingly nowhere. It turns out that Imran and another Balla (not sure who it was) pulled up at the dodgy doctor seemingly out of nowhere. I believe this to be a breach of G4.3 – when you respawn and NLR applies, specifically “your character must not re-enter the situation that caused you to respawn and must excuse themselves from the situation if they accidentally enter it” and G4.5 – when you have been revived, detailed above.

I believe that Imran in particular is in breach of both G4.3 and G4.5 as after what we believe he respawned within Grove safehouse as all doors were locked, he has then gone and got himself another gun and drove to the dodgy doctor where he then found 2 Grove members with 2 of his Balla members and a gun fight has happened. Imran has then placed Juan Kurt into the boot of a local car, leaving Mario behind at the dodgy doctor, drove back into the city and seemingly logged off (not 100%, but I am sure logs can see when Imran disconnected from the server) which also brings in a possible breach of C2.3 and Juan Kurt was left in the boot of the car that was driven back to the city and left there in the middle of what could be considered an RP situation. Imran then reconnects to the server a short while later (as I am sure logs can show) after what we can only assume is because he had realized he messed up and took Juan Kurt to Pillbox.


There are a few questions that Grove are left with from situation 2, the first being a few suspicions surrounding how Imran knew to be at the dodgy doctor in the first place. As I am sure logs can show, we believe Imran respawned within Grove safehouse. Imran claims in OOC when asked why he was at the dodgy doctor that he was under the impression that it would be considered a new situation (please see screenshot), he then claims in OOC that a call was made to him via radio (questioning the range that his radio would have) that Grove had Balla bodies (I hope Imran’s OOC messages are available to be seen on logs as we unfortunately didn’t get a screenshot of this claim). This leads us to believe that there was either some sort of OOC communication used or that Imran had breached NLR rules as we believe that all Ballas that were connected to the server at the time of the fight were incapacitated and either respawned or with the Grove members at the dodgy doctor, so the likelihood of a Balla that has been connected to the server prior to the fight and would have knowledge of the fight yet not been involved/injured during the fight are very slim. Admittedly, Ballas could be well aware of the dodgy location from previous situations in the day but we question, after respawning, why they would go there having had to “forget” the situation that just happened and having no reason to believe that Grove would have Balla bodies to take to the dodgy, thus strengthening the rule breaks surrounding NLR. Grove made sure that our members injured during Situation 2 stayed well away from both Grove turf as well as the dodgy location as to not put themselves back into the ongoing situation.

It goes without saying that Grove as a whole are disappointed with Situation 2 as we don’t believe there was fair play ensured by both Imran and the other Ballas that broke multiple rules in 1 night. Grove of course have taken a few losses throughout the day and were able to take it on the chin and not feel like we had to break server rules to get a “win”. We were willing to give Imran the benefit of the doubt from Situation 1 that maybe it was just a simple mistake. However, with it happening twice within a short period of time, all that we can see is a win mentality that we (Grove) are trying to avoid during this war as we just want it to be fun for everyone involved and we think there is just a clear disregard for the rules to get that “win” from Imran and his peers.


I appreciate this report has been a lengthy one. Below I will link all clips and screenshots previously mentioned. Thank you for your time.

Situation 1:
Imran being incapacitated by Erik Ragnarok - https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/1I8fovqBttG1HG/d1337p5hhdCo?invite=cr-MSxWbmIsMTY0NDQwNTE3LA

Imran sitting with Grove bodies after returning to the situation - https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/1I8I59uJIVTmyh/d1337HWssfh1?invite=cr-MSxHWEssMTQ1MjUxNjIs

Situation 2:
Imran being incapacitated by Jack Bolina inside Grove safehouse - just waiting on this clip and I will edit this with the link tomorrow if that's okay

Imran being present and starting a gun fight after respawning - https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/1I9nZaULYwxdab/d1337geCFt64?invite=cr-MSw4MzYsMTA3NzI3MzAyLA

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://i.gyazo.com/076d5a59e369b93f2b27246e0e0b9c46.png



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[d1xtr0_ttv]

I’ll explain my side. 
for the first situation, combat was over for well over 15 minutes, I came back to my house to sort out my inventory, and then yes I did go into Gus to talk with the 2 downed grove members. Combat had ended quite the time ago and even when a gorge did come around with a pump, I was on the other side of turf well away from that combat and had no impact on it whatsoever.

Moving onto situation 2

As I messaged father due to the fact that there was close to 45 minutes from me going down to the small fight at the dodgy I was under the impression that this was a different combat situation based on the time frame and it taking place on the other side of the map. 
After my messages with father and him saying he got warned for it I understood where he would come from. But to me at the point it was a completely new situation, if that isn’t the case I can only apologise.

Ill address the metagaming, we had multiple ballas saved and taken to pillbox at the fight on grove turf, by the time I respawned and drove down to the city the call on radio was they have our boys check dodgies, so we went to the one where earlier in the night we had taken many grove to, so we thought that’s the most likely as they already know it’s there. 

Moving onto the G2.3 -

After we drove down from sandy to the city we got to Alta parking, I ran across to the construction site and logged out, I was not in any situation since the gunfight at the dodgy well over 15 minutes ago.
After logging out I remembered that I had placed Juan in the boot while placing the balla bodies into the car, the simple fact that he had been placed into a boot and given no rp was not it and hence why I logged back in to amend that, I did what I thought would be best to fix the mistake of me forgetting he was placed in the boot of the car, as I wouldn’t want that sort of rp done to myself. 
 

I’ve tried to explain it as well as possible. 
Have a nice morning.

 

[Stic]

I don't really like reports, but I will say Me and Father took the 2 ballas up to the dodgy doctor by ourselves because we were the only ones who didn't go down, meaning no-one else could come as for other Grove members to come they would be helping with a Balla body they essentially were involved in downing in the previous fight, breaking NLR. So I feel it would be the same for your side. However, Like a lot rules, I feel like a lot are ambiguous. And in the words of my friend Stuart "Context matters".

 

[d1xtr0_ttv]

I can completely understand where you are coming from Mario, from my pov I respawned and did nothing for quite the time, then got into a gunfight on the other end of the map. If you see where I’m coming from. 
But if it is NLR all I can do is apologies and know it was not something done with ill intent of malice.

 

[Ravi]

Hi Imran,

for the first situation, combat was over for well over 15 minutes, I came back to my house to sort out my inventory, and then yes I did go into Gus to talk with the 2 downed grove members. Combat had ended quite the time ago and even when a gorge did come around with a pump, I was on the other side of turf well away from that combat and had no impact on it whatsoever.

Regardless of how long you had been out of Pillbox, you were downed in the situation AND there were still Grove members on Balla turf, thus making the situation ongoing, regardless of if there were gunshots going off. As stated in G4.5 – due to your injuries, you must not re-enter the combat situation that caused you to be downed, unless an aggressor forces you into combat. Deliberately placing yourself in a position that would re-enter you into combat is not allowed. You deliberately returned to the situation that was ongoing that caused you to be downed and placed yourself into a situation where you could have been re-entered into combat as you had no idea if there were more Grove members still up or not. Just because the shooting had stopped that doesn’t mean that the situation was over.

As I messaged father due to the fact that there was close to 45 minutes from me going down to the small fight at the dodgy I was under the impression that this was a different combat situation based on the time frame and it taking place on the other side of the map. 
After my messages with father and him saying he got warned for it I understood where he would come from. But to me at the point it was a completely new situation, if that isn’t the case I can only apologise.

Ill address the metagaming, we had multiple ballas saved and taken to pillbox at the fight on grove turf, by the time I respawned and drove down to the city the call on radio was they have our boys check dodgies, so we went to the one where earlier in the night we had taken many grove to, so we thought that’s the most likely as they already know it’s there.

Also, the fact that 2 Grove members were at the dodgy doctor with 2 Balla members that were injured in the fight that you respawned from, this would constitute it to being the same situation still ongoing, as it is in situation 1. Common sense should have told you that going to look for Balla members that were downed in a situation that caused you to respawn is a silly thing to do, regardless of if you had been re-informed about it or not. G4.3 clearly states “your character must not re-enter the situation that caused you to respawn and must excuse themselves from the situation if they accidentally enter it”. Having 2 Balla bodies from the situation that caused you to respawn, would constitute to it being the same situation on-going, which you have then re-entered.

I would also like to try and get a timeline of all this happening if you don’t mind, just for everyone’s clarity.

So you respawned in Grove safehouse, am I right in assuming you respawned somewhere up north?

You then go to get a new gun, wherever that may be, as well as visit a wardrobe or clothing store (as seen in the clip you are wearing nothing but the Balla puffer jacket).
Somewhere along the way you get far enough into the city to be in range with other Ballas on radio for them to re-inform you of the situation, to which you (I assume) race to the dodgy of your choice and set up? This just doesn’t add up to me. Especially when you mention that you “respawned and did nothing for quite the time” yet you had the time to do all of this and get set up before Juan and Mario get to the dodgy?

Moving onto the G2.3 -

After we drove down from sandy to the city we got to Alta parking, I ran across to the construction site and logged out, I was not in any situation since the gunfight at the dodgy well over 15 minutes ago.
After logging out I remembered that I had placed Juan in the boot while placing the balla bodies into the car, the simple fact that he had been placed into a boot and given no rp was not it and hence why I logged back in to amend that, I did what I thought would be best to fix the mistake of me forgetting he was placed in the boot of the car, as I wouldn’t want that sort of rp done to myself.

As for the G2.3 rule, I cannot say I am 100% sure on how this rule is enforced so I will leave this up to staff, but logging off after leaving a Grove member you were in an RP situation with (you shot, downed and put this member in the boot) regardless of if you “forgot” or not would concern me of combat logging. Can I also ask about the questions that were being asked between Balla members while Juan was in the boot, something along the lines of asking if Juan was allowed to live when they had him at the dodgy doctor earlier or if he had "been killed"? This to me makes no sense to talk about in RP, as Juan was in the book of the car, was this a possible attempt at ruleplaying? Again, I would question common sense with this one, why would this be mentioned? It was then a solid 10-15 minutes before you returned, can I ask what reminded you about Juan being in the boot? And can I ask why, when initially placing Juan in the boot, you said “just fucking dump him”? You also mention you had spoke to Juan/Father in regards to what happened, did this influence you to log back onto the server to change your actions?

I will not be replying any further unless requested to by staff as I believe both situations show a clear cut disregard for the rules and I see no need to continue a back and forth.

 

[d1xtr0_ttv]

Here we go then.

Id firstly like to ask on why you are reporting this, within all the points of alleged rule breaks you were not involved, just interesting it’s your reporting. 
 

Moving on, 

form your first paragraph, when revived you must not enter the same combat situation, combat was over I did not re enter the same combat situation as combat was over simple as can be. 
 

I’ll give you the time line, I respawn by paleto PD run to the pharmacy but a phone radio and some bandages, I run to the 24/7 next to the G6 Key store, I buy repair kits smoothies and redguls, I get into a red suv and drive down to police impound, pull out a car grab gun ammo body armour, I meet up with John, we drive to the clothing shop by ballas, at that point a call is made to go to a dodgy and to wait in ambush, we drive there, John gets set up on the roof and I drive across the road by the lake side. We wait a good 5 minutes and John calls out that a car has pulled up, i run around the corner but as a bosh armour was glitched in my hand I cannot see anything, John downs Mario and Juan. 
 

When Juan was in the car Charlie asked we had let him live after dodging him, we said yes and he went that’s how they knew of that location then, I’m not sure what on earth you are trying to grasp at here. 
 

I got off and went to the toilet, and when I came back I remembered that father may have been placed in the boot while picking up the bodies. 
 

I messaged father after taking him to hospital as I knew I wouldn’t be happy with rp like that being given to me. “Did this influence you to log in” Ravi what are you trying to reach for. 
 

You say clear disregard for the rules but that obviously is not the case, the claims of NlR as I messaged father about was simply out of me not understanding the full context off, and that if it was the case of being NLR I was sorry however at the time with the info I had it seemed to me that it was a completely new combat situation. If it is not then unfortunate we know for next time.

 

[d1xtr0_ttv]

war as we just want it to be fun for everyone involved

Let’s not lie, regardless of the outcome of the report have the morality to not lie.

The day after I placed a report this is what grove members were saying.

https://imgur.com/a/XDSgq6X

Lets not lie mate.

 

[Ravi]

I appreciate your reply. I will try my best to put this in a way you understand Imran as you still seem to be confused. I will also use an example to help you understand better.

See the below report:
https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/148740-report-a-player-craig-fallace-gta-rp/#comment-845830

The first thing I would like to point out from this report it the part where Tommy says: “First of all the rule break was against ballas as a whole and not against one individual so it doesn't matter who reports it or where the evidence comes from.” When asked why it was himself putting up the report. I had hoped this had given you some clarity on why it was against no rules for me to put the report up but I will of course explain it in a way you can understand.

I was involved in Situation 1 from the beginning. I was a part of the group that went and sat on Ballas turf and waited for Balllas to see if any would show themselves/were around. I went down in the gardens on Balla turf, not far from Franklins (where you returned to, to camp Grove members bodies after getting out of Pillbox (breaching NLR), as seen in Jack Bolina’s clip). It was after this, when myself and a few others disconnected from the server after either respawning or being saved and ensuring we didn’t go back, that we sat in discord and I discussed with other members whether what I saw/heard (your return) was a rule break and the possibility of a report. It is during this conversation that we were alerted to another fight with Ballas (to prevent any other Grove members logging on, as this would be hop on). Once this fight was over, myself and the others saw the clips that were being posted in the Grove discord, one of them being from Mario at the dodgy doctor as linked in the original report. Conversation quickly turned back to the report that I was going to possibly put up, and it was decided that it would be clearer and easier for everything to go in 1 report rather than have 2 going for the same rule breaks.

This report, although different, has its similarities to the linked report. Where a Hustler has returned to the area of the fight after being downed. It is made clear by staff that just because the shooting has stopped that does not mean that the situation is over and returning to said situation is a big no. I find it odd that your defence, like the Hustlers here, is that you thought the situation was over just because the gunfire had stopped. As it was your gang that put up the report on the Hustler, I would have thought you would have some clarity on this rule already? Which makes me further believe that what you are doing is just a blatant disregard for the rules in order to feed that “win” mentality.

As for your last response, Grove have tried to make all situations fun for all of those involved. We have not felt the need to break server rules in order to get our “win” like yourselves. We all know that the Groups discord can be a very toxic place, so for 1 singular member of Grove to react to the sarcastic messages posted by Balla members (including yourself) is no surprise, especially considering it's SK who does nothing but troll.

Can I also ask who this “John” is that you regrouped with? Was he also involved in the original Situation 2, was he injured/incapacitated and did he return to the situation with you to the dodgy doctor?

 

[Charles Vane]

There is obviously a lot to process here. Now, your all making claims and accusations but we need to know the facts. 

So @Ravi

Can you please give us rough times that these situations occured please?

Specifically the first balla situation, then the safehouse situation then the dodgys please.

Also, as you all know i dont like gangs reporting eachother without trying to resolve things and come to reasonable agreements. What i will do is give you all the opportunity to speak with your own groups and maybe each other. But also let you know, i will be going through the logs and looking at every single member from both sides for any crossovers on situations. So, if you think that you want this report ended before we trawl logs and potentially find more people and more bans would then have to also be handed out. 

So, ill give you both sides a chance to speak and if you want to decide to drop it. Let me know. As i mentioned in Group-members you are all reporting and going for eachother making it worse for the gang scene as a whole. At the point of it reacing the forums everyone is under the microscope. So ill give you this chance to both sides to end it here and ill close this down without action. If not, everyone on ballas and grove side will be looked into for NLR breaches that day. 

@d1xtr0_ttv

@Ravi

Let me know how you want to proceed. 

 

[Charles Vane]

As requested by both sides, this report has been asked to be removed. 

I would like to remind you that going forwards its best to have this resolved before it reaches the forums. But thanks for your co-operation and it will be denied with no further action. There were multiple breaches of NLR in both of these grove vs balla situatiions. So i will remind everyone to not be doing this, its just a game. Stick within the rules so its a level playing field for everyone. 

Cheers

 

[Charles Vane]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.