Report a Player - Edward Kenway - Other

[Vaffla]

Your In-game name

PC Vaffla

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Edward Kenway

Date of the incident

02/28/2016

Time of the incident (GMT)

0720

What best describes this incident ?

Other

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

Myself, PCSO Sergei and PC Matt Petterossi were chasing a camo offroader for several minutes, who when we shot the tires out gunned down PC Matt. As we were talking to him (he was restrained as seen in the video), he made a threat to our life, for which I asked for a warning shot. In response, he asked for his radio back which I declined to do so. Moments later, SGT Kieron warned us of an incoming red SUV which suddenly zoomed over the hill towards us.

When I was gunned down, I wasn't happy with how Appleby knew the location of Edward Kenway and so wanted to talk to him on TS, then Matt entered asking if I gave the comms back to Edward during our interaction, which I confirmed I did not. I was then dragged into the channel to discuss the matter (with whom I assume Edward Kenway is Ali on TS) where Ali states I did give him the comms back, although I know I did not and the video does indeed show I declined to return the comms.

We tried to resolve this via Teamspeak, but Edward Kenway/Ali did not accept responsibility for what happened and as a result I believe he was trying to talk his way out of metagaming to his colleagues his location. I'm not in any way shape or form making Appleby out to be responsible as he couldn't have known the situation he was walking in to, even though he was the one who took the shot.

Edward Kenway profile: http://stats.altislife.co.uk/getplayer.php?playerid=76561198034197030

[Video trimmed to appropriate times but can upload the entire timespan if requested]

Video Times:
00:11 - Threatened to kill us
00:25 - Asked for warning shot, radio requested, I refused
00:47 - Red SUV turns up
1:21 - Killed by Appleby
2:50 - Ali says I returned the radio and he communicated with his team

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCUSw6l9Kq8

This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

Post-Report Conversation:

After this was posted, the following exchange occurred on Teamspeak:

 

[Applebyy]

As I was apart of the incedent I feel I should have my say.

To me it sounds like Ali misheard the information you gave him ingame and maybe believed you said it was okay.

Ali hadnt spoken up to that time untill you had supposadly had given the radio back so in my opinion I think it was misheard.

We were also told that they would review the video and they would come back to resolve in which did not happen so I wouldnt say it was resolved correctly.

 

[Ali E]

Hello i am indeed Edward Kenway. And i want to explain my role honestly in this incident. I got followed by you guys for a long time. And by this time i told Appleby that i was gonna drive to my home and hide in there and i am in trouble with cops. He said okay and he was already en-route to my location when i shot Matt. And him knowing my exact location is because i had a gps on me. And then i threatned you guys and i asked back for my radio and i in all honesty thought you said okay but in your video clearly you didn't hence why when you joined in the room i openly admitted i talked on comms as i thought you gave me back my comms. I am in this server for 1 year and 4 months now so i am not that dumb to break rules only for 300k gear. If i wanted to break rules i would've shot Kieron and Sergei in the back when the restraints fell off but i stood there cause i knew it's wrong. I know it's wrong to talk on comms but honestly i thought you gave me back my comms. But you didn't came there to resolve it. You didn't even spoke and apperantly you only came there to see me admitting and then go ahead and report me. I don't like when people lies on an official report such as you tried to resolve it with me. And the thing about you saying me not taking responsiblity is non sense aswell as i took responsibility and openly admitted that i did it cause i thought you gave my comms back. It was a honest mistake. ​

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@appleby and @SGT Kieroncan testify that Vaffla indeed didn't tried to resolve anything with me.​

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Edit:And i am honestly sick of the people who are going people's team speak recording it when theyre owning up to their mistakes and reporting it like it was on purpose and even saying that they resolved it. I dont know how low would people go to get someone banned i cant even believe it. And when i tried to resolve it this is what i get https://gyazo.com/18d82143220cba691d39c35873d3f524 to be honest if i am gonna get banned for a misunderstanding on my part so be it at least i wont carry the burden of lying to get loyal members of this community banned.​

 

[Kieron Orion]

Never at any time said would we send you the video to you to review because there is always a gunfight when we a member of a well known gang that we have in handcuffs but to give us 5 to 10 seconds to unrestrained him he got unrestrained when the officer died and then started calling out our positions to his friend so i will now leave this for @PC Vafflato have his words. After i wrote this i come back to TS to find he messaged me this https://gyazo.com/8bd8dc559351ab5037cb72c1d04e92ad. There is nothing to be said from me anymore.

 

[Applebyy]

Never at any time said would we send you the video to you to review 

What I meant to say was you guys said you would have a look at the video and come back to us on it.

In which I beleive Vaffla didnt.

 

[Vaffla]

The points raised concerning the teamspeak resolving part are confused here and there may have been a miscommunication, as you seen I was moved and assume Kieron was resolving it for us. However, we are now resolving this through this report.

For the record, I did speak in the Teamspeak channel and come to resolve the matter when I was dragged into the channel by Kieron. I was actually originally only going to talk to @Applebyyto check something which wasn't a reporting matter, but given I was asked to clarify by Kieron I did so. The reason I cannot be heard is because I used Shadowplay to record and have the push-to-talk set to Caps Lock, whereas Teamspeak is voice activation, which can be verified via the video as you can see my icon lighting up and people responding to me, as well as the odd echo of my voice from other people's speakers. So please do not accuse me of not speaking when Kieron, Matt and the recording shows I was speaking and attempting to clarify my position.

You may have misunderstood, but to your version of this you told Appleby you were going to your house, but the location was not at your house. Given, you had your GPS, but I find it extraordinary you knew to initiate seconds before the SUV come flying over the hill. A warning shot was also given, again strange how it was known to give one instead of just opening fire straight away given the last radio contact you could have had with your team was that you were already engaged in a firefight.

I did attempt to resolve the situation, however you were adamant that I returned communications and we did not make any insinuation that I would send you the video, nor did you ask for one, although I would have done if requested.

Furthermore, if there was no radio communication between yourself and Appleby, I would like to point out that 3 minutes had passed, and so that means there is scope for an RDM report in there, but frankly I am not at all convinced that there was no communication. Overall, your timing doesn't match either, the video below shows when we actually tasered and restrained you, and notice in the bottom left at that point it shows Appleby as connecting. Well, that means he still isn't in the game yet and required a bit more time to actually get in, spawn and open his map, which surely was long after you were restrained and thus GPS/radio seized.

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[Applebyy]

I am a bit confused when you say about RDM?

But to my point I didnt realise you were relying on Kieron to resolve to situation so I do apologize for accusing you.

Anyway seeing as Ive said my bit ill drop out the post. 

 

[Ali E]

1. If you could talk to me properly on TS before jumping onto forums like a blood thirst person who wants to get people banned this could've got resolved. And as a board member you should know that talking on TS to people is an important phase of reporting someone.

2. I told Appleby that i will drive to my house when you guys started to chase me. And he told me to stall you so he can come at time. And for the fact my house is in Panachori near Neri admins can verify this. And as you can see were just outside of Panachori as i got sprayed before i could reach my house.

3. I didn't knew i had seconds. I knew Appleby was coming since i alerted him as soon as we started the chase and none of you actually removed my gps so youre lying on that bit aswell. So i initiated you the time i get restrained. I initiated on you at 00.12 and Appleby arrives at 00.50.

3. 3 mins hasn't passed aswell as i have just initiated on you.

4. And i openly admitted that i used my comms because i thought you gave me my comms back it was an honest misunderstanding if i wanted to lie/get away with it i could've just lied and nothing could be proven. But i never lie and never will and that makes me go to bed with a clear conscious. However i am thinking that your only reason being in the channel was to make me admit and report me. Therefore you didn't attempted to resolve on teamspeak. Again i wouldn't expect a low blow like this from a board member only just to get a loyal member of community banned.

And for the record a serious question. Why would i admit breaking a server rule if it was on purpose? Answer this question and i will stop replying to this thread.

 

[Vaffla]

1. If you could talk to me properly on TS before jumping onto forums like a blood thirst person who wants to get people banned this could've got resolved. And as a board member you should know that talking on TS to people is an important phase of reporting someone.

2. I told Appleby that i will drive to my house when you guys started to chase me. And he told me to stall you so he can come at time. And for the fact my house is in Panachori near Neri admins can verify this. And as you can see were just outside of Panachori as i got sprayed before i could reach my house.

3. I didn't knew i had seconds. I knew Appleby was coming since i alerted him as soon as we started the chase and none of you actually removed my gps so youre lying on that bit aswell. So i initiated you the time i get restrained. I initiated on you at 00.12 and Appleby arrives at 00.50.

3. 3 mins hasn't passed aswell as i have just initiated on you.

4. And i openly admitted that i used my comms because i thought you gave me my comms back it was an honest misunderstanding if i wanted to lie/get away with it i could've just lied and nothing could be proven. But i never lie and never will and that makes me go to bed with a clear conscious. However i am thinking that your only reason being in the channel was to make me admit and report me. Therefore you didn't attempted to resolve on teamspeak. Again i wouldn't expect a low blow like this from a board member to get a loyal member of community banned.

And for the record a serious question. Why would i admit breaking a server rule if it was on purpose? Answer this question and i will stop replying to this thread.

1. I have no intention of "getting people banned". As you rightly put, I am an investor, I only have intention to see the community grow. Teamspeak is an important means of getting things resolved, but the problem here is from my perspective that they are not resolved and you don't appear to accept my argument, so I shall be leaving it to the admins to decide. I gain nothing by you being banned or not banned, thus if the admins are impartial my intention is irrelevant to the end result.

2. Appleby was not online when you started driving, and only just connected when you were tasered.

3. Appleby could not have known you had initiated if you had no radio. Therefore, either you are not telling me the truth, or I will be taking it up as a seperate matter to Applyby for RDM if this is denied further since then I will need to assume he is guilty of firing on us without initiating.

4. I'm not going to justify this with a response.

However, since you are adamant you have not broken a rule, I'd like to include the following for consideration as this is a metagaming report. I would not have included this originally, but your responses are playing this off as if I have a personal vendetta against you, when I originally had no intention of making this a report. Here, you are metagaming Sergei. You may have met him days before, but he and you had probably been killed multiple times between them. This is for consideration, and not really worthy of an extra report.

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[Ali E]

1. I am saying this over and over. I am accepting your argument and my mistake. It was a misunderstoodment as i thought you gave me my comms back but as i can hear in the video you didn't but at that time i understood this wrongly.

2. Yes he was not online therefore i told him and he came online. Much like what you do with the police when there's a bank op or something. Whispering everyone on ts etc.

3. As i said i have talked on comms because i thought you gave them back to me clearly you didn't but at the time i understood it wrongly and talked on comms hence why Appleby knew when to shoot. I don't know if you dont understand or read my comments. I have admitted talking on comms cause i misunderstood you like 100000 times already but youre still insisting that i am not accepting it...

4. That is a RP scenario and i had a long history with Sergei. I think @Dredd and @KRABSTIK121 vouch for me as we had that RP scenario with them. It was a depth RP situation therefore i knew Sergei. But this is irrelevant to the report. And this all mess could've been resolved if you would actually spoke to me 1 on 1 and not only come to our room just to record me admitting.

 

[Vaffla]

I'll take the last post as statements, nothing more for me to add in which case. I'll await an admin decision or if there is any further issues flagged to me. Again the last video is for consideration and I'm sure Segei will tune if with his response if that is the case.

For the record - I record everything and keep it for a long time. There is nothing special about recording the entire incident and teamspeak conversation, I'm well known for it, mainly so I can defend myself from false allegations.

 

[Thesoldier]

. I know it's wrong to talk on comms but honestly i thought you gave me back my comms.​

misunderstanding​

The points raised concerning the teamspeak resolving part are confused here and there may have been a miscommunication, as you seen I was moved and assume Kieron was resolving it for us. However, we are now resolving this through this report.

I've reviewed this a few times, and it boils down to the intent of the rule break. I don't see it as a blatant violation, and a misunderstanding by Ali which he has admitted to. As far as Appleby logging in for backup, cops do this all the time, and other rebels do this all the time. If you're on teamspeak and get into a situation, as long as you can use your teamspeak in roleplay, I don't have an issue with it. I would have an issue if he went to a 3rd party messenger (Steam, Whatsapp, Telegram, Kik, etc...) to say "OMG HELP GET ONLINE."

Sounds like to me this all a big miscommunication. Maybe I suggest you guys should try to speak one on one and get it sorted with an Support member present.

 

[Ali E]

I've reviewed this a few times, and it boils down to the intent of the rule break. I don't see it as a blatant violation, and a misunderstanding by Ali which he has admitted to. As far as Appleby logging in for backup, cops do this all the time, and other rebels do this all the time. If you're on teamspeak and get into a situation, as long as you can use your teamspeak in roleplay, I don't have an issue with it. I would have an issue if he went to a 3rd party messenger (Steam, Whatsapp, Telegram, Kik, etc...) to say "OMG HELP GET ONLINE."

Sounds like to me this all a big miscommunication. Maybe I suggest you guys should try to speak one on one and get it sorted with an FLT present.

I dont mind this as i always try to resolve everything every time cause we are humans and we do mistakes. I am not hiding anything nor i have nothing to hide. So i am totally fine with it.

 

[Neo]

Report accepted, Sorry, but going through the history of the member in question, he's been involved in so many "borderline" bans that it's gone too far now.

Your hands were restrained, you were rubber balled within seconds of being captured, IF the radio was held up, how did you "SILENTLY" tell them.

Ban issued.