Report a Player - DI Kral / Sultan Kroekel - Poor/Low Quality RP(Action Taken)

[JUiCE29]

Your In-game name

[A] Jimmy Hoxton [T]

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

DI Kral / Sultan Kroekel

Date of the incident

04/16/2017

Time of the incident (GMT)

1800

What best describes this incident ?

Poor/Low Quality RP

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 2

Please (in detail) describe the incident

As presented in the video, I was running through Pygros just talking about previous incidents, one of which occurred with an Orca at Kavala/Athira. While I was putting my truck into my garage, some guy said something to me (at the time I had zero idea what he was saying) but as shown in the video he was informing not to put my truck away. I proceed as I was doing already to run and when I saw the ifrits I decided to make haste to the generalized location of my friends. Then DI Kral (on holiday) decides to get out of his Ifrit and perform one of the worst initiations i've ever seen on this server.

Now, it's one thing for a user to break the rules. We all make mistakes which is completely understandable but what followed isn't. GHOSTK1LL3R Initially starts to talk to Kral regarding the situation (https://puu.sh/vmbLd/db90134a68.png). Kral instantly denies to GHOSTK1LL3R how it was a poor initiation and says it's perfectly acceptable even though GHOSTK1LL3R talked to Jefke about it prior to the confrontation with Kral just to see what a staff members view is.

Kral then proceeds to the staff room to confirm what Jefke said is true. Kral, then starts moaning how there is 2 of us (myself and GHOST1LL3R) against himself. We inform him there is a staff member and it's not like we're going to 'bully' him or gang up on him. He then proceeds to want to get his 2 other buddies in the teamspeak to not only 'even' up the odds but make it so there is more in his favor. After this point, it starts getting ridiculous with his requests so Jefke gets Stuart in.

On top of the scene Kral performs earlier in the sit, Kral is still adamant that what he did was 'high quality roleplay' and kept saying what he did was fine and acceptable. Not only these, he keeps trying to point the blame onto myself to 'combat storing' and equally 'not warning shooting correctly' the heli in the air (I wasn't the one that performed the warning shots regardless of the fact).

While all of this is going on, Kral is being so toxic and so adamant that what he did is right I just couldn't believe what was occurring. Kral is a DI in the police force, when I went into resolve the situation I was more than happy to hear him say 'I messed up, I am sorry how can we make this right' because it was literally a black and white situation of him rulebreaking. However, what I cannot believe is how he defended himself and said his actions was acceptable.

In the end Stuart had to split up the two channels of both of us as it was getting no-where which I completely agreed with. Stuart informed us the best way to proceed with this was to post a player report which wasn't my intention going in however after the rude performance put by Kral was something I wasn't going to ignore.

After myself and GHOSTK1LL3R said thanks to Stuart for the help and was in our gang channels Kral then all of a sudden started in one word of another 'begging for forgiveness' asking myself and GHOSTK1LL3R to talk about it and was saying what he did was sorry (https://puu.sh/vmcnR/b640a0e920.png). It was only at this point when he realized that it wasn't going in his favor he decided to become the nicest person in the world to us when he had just been shouting in our faces saying we were in the wrong and how he was right.

I completely disagree with how Kral acted in this situation and I personally think this is completely unacceptable from someone in this community and especially someone who is a DI in the police force where people will look up to him. If he is to think an initiation like what he performed is 'high quality roleplay' and then stand by that statement... I really don't think I am playing on the right community as that is the reason why I left other communities.

I personally think it would be best for Stuart and Jefke to be the ones overlooking this player report because they were eye witnesses to what occurred in the staff rooms and how Kral acted. How they acted I personally think is very key to why I decided to post this player report up and is something only Stuart and Jefke will understand as they were their throughout the whole situation.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsQ7COk8ObU
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Kral]

First of all hello and I am sorry to see this report up.

 

As presented in the video, I was running through Pygros just talking about previous incidents, one of which occurred with an Orca at Kavala/Athira.

In your video we can only hear your voice and teampeak sound is really faded for some reason.
 

While I was putting my truck into my garage, some guy said something to me (at the time I had zero idea what he was saying) but as shown in the video he was informing not to put my truck away.

The first "initiation" in your video and In our video (bottom of this reply) does not match up. In our video you can hear me shouting soon as I got out of my Ifrit, However in your video you can hear my first "initiation" way after you got in the garage. You say that you had no idea what I was saying but you heard something. And as we you said this is a roleplay server why would you run away immediately and not come back to ask what we said as this is not wasteland we wouldn't kill you immediately if you came back

 

I proceed as I was doing already to run and when I saw the ifrits I decided to make haste to the generalized location of my friends. Then DI Kral (on holiday) decides to get out of his Ifrit and perform one of the worst initiations i've ever seen on this server.

After me shouting at you to not store it (even though I was late) you ran off making us think that you heard me and starting running away causing us to chase you with ifrits and helicopter. Once my friend in the helicopter tolled me where you were I came in with my ifrit and gave you 3 warnings to not run away or you would die. Just as you were about to enter that compound/garden I was loosing sight on you with your gun on your back. I immediately thought you were going there to pull your gun out to fire at me. Hence why I made a judgement call of either it was me or you to die.

 

Now, it's one thing for a user to break the rules. We all make mistakes which is completely understandable but what followed isn't. GHOSTK1LL3R Initially starts to talk to Kral regarding the situation (https://puu.sh/vmbLd/db90134a68.png). Kral instantly denies to GHOSTK1LL3R how it was a poor initiation and says it's perfectly acceptable even though GHOSTK1LL3R talked to Jefke about it prior to the confrontation with Kral just to see what a staff members view is.

When ghostkiller messaged me about it I didnt deny it was poor. I tolled him that I believe he (you) had enough time to stop running. Not to put your hands up however to simply stop running. If you wouldn't run away soon as we arrived on seen we could have talked furthermore.

 

Kral then proceeds to the staff room to confirm what Jefke said is true. Kral, then starts moaning how there is 2 of us (myself and GHOST1LL3R) against himself

I was not moaning. It would only be fair for me to call in my friend to make it 2 on each side which were directly involved. Once staff tolled us does not matter how many members there are on each side I decided to call in my other friend who was in the air with his helicopter and who had the recording. In addition to that Richard Monroe did not talk as much as us or you.

 

On top of the scene Kral performs earlier in the sit, Kral is still adamant that what he did was 'high quality roleplay' and kept saying what he did was fine and acceptable. Not only these, he keeps trying to point the blame onto myself to 'combat storing' and equally 'not warning shooting correctly' the heli in the air (I wasn't the one that performed the warning shots regardless of the fact).

I never said what I did was not "high quality roleplay" I simply said that I believe it was a sufficient initiation on a rebel from a rebel who we were chasing from garage with his gun on his back. When you ran inside the garden of the houses I could only think one thing being that you would pull your weapon out to kill me like I said above. "Combat storing", yes I did moan about that in my channel however I was not raising it up as a issue I only tolled you that we had a "first initiation/interraction" at the garage. 

With the warning shots I would like to talk about it later in this this reply.

 

While all of this is going on, Kral is being so toxic and so adamant that what he did is right I just couldn't believe what was occurring

The only reason for me being toxic is that everytime we enter a gunfigt wheter it is me or someone else initiating we always get PMed at TS to talk about it. We explain to them what happened and I always apologized for the inconvenience we gave and sometimes offered comp if their bank was not as strong as they wanted it to be. However every person has a limit and my limit was already passed. I could no longer understand why everyone specialy after they lose the gunfight PM us about the smallest issue.

 

Kral is a DI in the police force, when I went into resolve the situation I was more than happy to hear him say 'I messed up, I am sorry how can we make this right' because it was literally a black and white situation of him rulebreaking.

 Me being a DI is completely different character than me being a rebel. Being a rebel after 6 months was not easy for me however I did what I saw from most big gangs such as Triad. And like I stated above with other gangs or police we talked with I did apologize for the inconvenience but I simply had enough with getting into different TS channels explaining something after each gunfight. So this time I tolled you that there I could have initiated better however you were not helping at all by running all the time from us. So how could we possibly initiate on you running and possibly taking a strategical position?

 

what I cannot believe is how he defended himself and said his actions was acceptable.

Like I said I, as a DI and a rebel for a week have experienced gunfights starting on us would start with a simple "Put that gun on the floor or we will kill you" and after 2/3 seconds we would get shot at. Yet we wouldn't msg them asking what was that. As we were warned to put the gun on the floor with guns being pointed at us all the time. Yet again the victim would be standing still and not running away.

 

After myself and GHOSTK1LL3R said thanks to Stuart for the help and was in our gang channels Kral then all of a sudden started in one word of another 'begging for forgiveness' asking myself and GHOSTK1LL3R to talk about it and was saying what he did was sorry (https://puu.sh/vmcnR/b640a0e920.png). It was only at this point when he realized that it wasn't going in his favor he decided to become the nicest person in the world to us when he had just been shouting in our faces saying we were in the wrong and how he was right.

Right, I am not a person who would beg for mercy. After you guys had a chat privately with staff they came to us and calmed us down. That's when I realized my mistake being that I could have made a better initiation even though you kept running away all the time. After realizing my mistake I messaged you and ghostkiller apologizing and I have just realized my mistake and I was sincerely sorry about it. Yet I was rejected with No thank you. You closed the chat and disconnected, which blocked me from contacting you.

 

I completely disagree with how Kral acted in this situation and I personally think this is completely unacceptable from someone in this community and especially someone who is a DI in the police force where people will look up to him. If he is to think an initiation like what he performed is 'high quality roleplay' and then stand by that statement... I really don't think I am playing on the right community as that is the reason why I left other communities.

You are free to disagree with me as much as you want I cannot force you to agree with me. Yet again me being a DI has nothing to do with my actions a DI. As police issue compliance in a different way. 

 

Now coming for the warning shots I said I wanted to talk about. In the staff channel you said that you shot warning shots 3 to the right and 3 to the left. Then you say that you waited 30 seconds to shoot the helicopter. I believe you are lying unfortunately. As in our video from the perspective of the helicopter. You shoot 4 bullets one after another in direction without tracers. After shooting out the engine you can hear that the helicopters glass also breaking from a bullet. Even though there was no way of you knowing the helicopter was with us as it arrived before us you gave warning shots in the most unclear way for the helicopter.
 

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So in summary, I was just way too frustrated about every gunfight whether everything was fine or not ending up in gang lobbies trying to explain what happened. My patience limit was passed and after this situation being called into TS. I simply was too mad to talk properly or think properly. After cooling down and realizing what I could have done a better initiation and have a better behavior, I tried to contact both of you and tried to apologize. Not with anyone else only me and you guys. I was going to apologize and offer you a big amount of compensation for in-game inconvenience and in TS behavior. Yet I was actually rejected and not even given a chance to write a message on ts apologizing (as you logged off) for all, as I was not not being who I usually am which is a nice person and actually love to RP. I am sure you can ask any rebel about my police RP and they will tell you. I agree that my initiation could have been better, however the lack of rebel experience did cause this. I've been a police for 6/7 months without any police holidays before this. You may ask any police officer or check the forum section if anyone had a issue with me as a officer.

So TLR : I tried to interact with you first at the garage yet you ran away. And if you would have came back as you dint understand me we could have RPed furthermore. However you ran off soon as you hear the ifrits and never stopped. Also while you were running I do not believe that I couldn't have initiated properly on you as you were running into a garden and I was losing sight on you. If you would have simply stopped running (not putting hands up or anything else) this could have been better. Or if you would have given me chance to talk with you after I cooled down I am sure you would have seen how much of a good person I was and would have understood I was way too frustrated at the time which caused my behavior.

For last words which I couldn't get you to hear me, I am sorry for the inconvenience and I am sorry for my behavior. ( This is not begging for mercy like you stated. I am only apologizing for my behavior.)

 

[GHOSTK1LL3R]

The first "initiation" in your video and In our video (bottom of this reply) does not match up. In our video you can hear me shouting soon as I got out of my Ifrit, However in your video you can hear my first "initiation" way after you got in the garage. You say that you had no idea what I was saying but you heard something. And as we you said this is a roleplay server why would you run away immediately and not come back to ask what we said as this is not wasteland we wouldn't kill you immediately if you came back

Hey there Kral, GHOSTK1LL3R here. I was equally part of this situation as mentioned in the original post below. Now, you state how these videos 'don't match up'  I fail to firstly see how you saying 'Don't fucking put that back' is initiation.  Of course this is a roleplay server but that doesn't mean I have to turn around and speak to the 2 people who just pulled up in ifrits because you didn't want to get out your ifrit and purse on foot, correct?

After me shouting at you to not store it (even though I was late) you ran off making us think that you heard me and starting running away causing us to chase you with ifrits and helicopter. Once my friend in the helicopter tolled me where you were I came in with my ifrit and gave you 3 warnings to not run away or you would die. Just as you were about to enter that compound/garden I was loosing sight on you with your gun on your back. I immediately thought you were going there to pull your gun out to fire at me. Hence why I made a judgement call of either it was me or you to die.

So you made a judgement of death within only 4 seconds with the words of 'hands up or die'. And once again, you still think that this is the correct method and what you did is acceptable? There is two stories you're fighting here, one is that you believe what you did is correct and the other is that you are sorry for what you've done and want forgiveness. It is not our fault you initiated saying 'stop or die' and as said in the help channel you've literally replaced one synonym with 'stop' instead of 'hands up' and you think it's acceptable? Regardless of what occurred and how it was occurring, you blatantly in black and white performed the worst initiation I have ever seen. And worst of, you stood your ground and thought that what you did was acceptable. You state how you had to make a 'judgement call' on if you should proceed with killing him or not. What I would love to know, is why in the first place you thought it was great RP to just start initiating on him and like Stuart said why didn't you just shoot him in the leg to keep roleplay. There is zero roleplay in what you did and as said before you are the one who performed the 'stop or die' initiation.

When ghostkiller messaged me about it I didnt deny it was poor. I tolled him that I believe he (you) had enough time to stop running. Not to put your hands up however to simply stop running. If you wouldn't run away soon as we arrived on seen we could have talked furthermore.

That is the same as saying 'hands up or die' can lead to talking further.

I was not moaning. It would only be fair for me to call in my friend to make it 2 on each side which were directly involved. Once staff tolled us does not matter how many members there are on each side I decided to call in my other friend who was in the air with his helicopter and who had the recording. In addition to that Richard Monroe did not talk as much as us or you.

You can paint the picture on this player report on how you wasn't moaning but from what it seems you've uploaded audio of the event:

and this is you recording it not anyone else. Could you please upload the full help channel situation from the point of you argueiung you wanted your mates with @Jefke V. If you don't I am sure Jefke can vouch for what occurred.

I never said what I did was not "high quality roleplay" I simply said that I believe it was a sufficient initiation on a rebel from a rebel who we were chasing from garage with his gun on his back. When you ran inside the garden of the houses I could only think one thing being that you would pull your weapon out to kill me like I said above. "Combat storing", yes I did moan about that in my channel however I was not raising it up as a issue I only tolled you that we had a "first initiation/interraction" at the garage. 

What? So because it was a rebel on rebel situation you are allowed to perform that 'sufficient initiation'. I think you fail to understand this server Kral, it's not so you can perform the bare minimum in order to get into a gunfight it's a roleplay server not a ruleplay server... It doesn't matter what Jimmy was going to do in the situation, you shouldn't of performed that initiation how you did and then come into the staff support room thinking it was acceptable.

The only reason for me being toxic is that everytime we enter a gunfigt wheter it is me or someone else initiating we always get PMed at TS to talk about it. We explain to them what happened and I always apologized for the inconvenience we gave and sometimes offered comp if their bank was not as strong as they wanted it to be.

Well myself and Jimmy are sorry that its our fault you performed a 'hands up or die' imitation. You make it sound like you're the victim here and how you're all innocent but you were so rude in the help support channel. Well it seems you clearly are breaking the rules a lot more than necessary if this is something that you do on a regular basis to have to give our comp or not... @Stuart @Jefke V 

However every person has a limit and my limit was already passed. I could no longer understand why everyone specialy after they lose the gunfight PM us about the smallest issue.

So you think we're doing this because Jimmy died? Your behavior in the staff room was completely out of order to say the least and not to mention as I've said multiple times now on how you think what you did was acceptable.

Me being a DI is completely different character than me being a rebel. Being a rebel after 6 months was not easy for me however I did what I saw from most big gangs such as Triad.

So you're telling me that you saw Triad performing 'hands up or die' initiations. I hardly believe that. On the point of the DI, you are a high ranking police officer. If you think initiations such as what you performed are acceptable then I feel you're mistaken. And what worries me is people in police will obviously look up to you for guidance and if you think initiations like that are acceptable and you're telling others that then  your actions are leading to a lot of people on the receiving end of shit RP.

And like I stated above with other gangs or police we talked with I did apologize for the inconvenience but I simply had enough with getting into different TS channels explaining something after each gunfight. So this time I tolled you that there I could have initiated better however you were not helping at all by running all the time from us. So how could we possibly initiate on you running and possibly taking a strategical position?

This is a flat out lie. Not once did you apologize for your action until you heard that Stuart told us it was the best idea to put a player report up. And not once did you agree that you could have done it better. It's not my job to tell you how you could of initiated better ; you didn't even need to initiate in the first place. Also as Stuart said in the staff room, you could of shot his leg out which was one of the suggestions that was offered to you.

Like I said I, as a DI and a rebel for a week have experienced gunfights starting on us would start with a simple "Put that gun on the floor or we will kill you" and after 2/3 seconds we would get shot at. Yet we wouldn't msg them asking what was that. As we were warned to put the gun on the floor with guns being pointed at us all the time. Yet again the victim would be standing still and not running away.
 

Please don't pass the blame onto other rebels, just because you see other rebels breaking rules doesn't make you exempt also.

Right, I am not a person who would beg for mercy. After you guys had a chat privately with staff they came to us and calmed us down. That's when I realized my mistake being that I could have made a better initiation even though you kept running away all the time. After realizing my mistake I messaged you and ghostkiller apologizing and I have just realized my mistake and I was sincerely sorry about it. Yet I was rejected with No thank you. You closed the chat and disconnected, which blocked me from contacting you.

I do love how you finally realize this once you find out a player report is going to be posted. It's not my fault you can't keep your emotions under raps. Do you not blame us for denying your 'apology'? We just sat in a room with you for 20 minutes while everyone in that room except for you and your mates said what you did was poor RP and yet you still stated otherwise. I was at the point where I couldn't believe what I was hearing anymore and both myself and Jimmy didn't want to hear anything else you had to say.

You are free to disagree with me as much as you want I cannot force you to agree with me. Yet again me being a DI has nothing to do with my actions a DI. As police issue compliance in a different way. 

As I said above: 'And what worries me is people in police will obviously look up to you for guidance and if you think initiations like that are acceptable and you're telling others that then  your actions are leading to a lot of people on the receiving end of shit RP.'

1 hour ago, DI Kral said:

Now coming for the warning shots I said I wanted to talk about. In the staff channel you said that you shot warning shots 3 to the right and 3 to the left. Then you say that you waited 30 seconds to shoot the helicopter. I believe you are lying unfortunately. As in our video from the perspective of the helicopter. You shoot 4 bullets one after another in direction without tracers. After shooting out the engine you can hear that the helicopters glass also breaking from a bullet. Even though there was no way of you knowing the helicopter was with us as it arrived before us you gave warning shots in the most unclear way for the helicopter.
 

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An apologies is only worth what it means and in your case it's worth nothing. You apologized so it would look better in this player report. I am not stupid, again I said in a room with you for 30 minutes while you tried to pass the blame onto us. 

As shown in the videos above Kral has video evidence of the help situation. I am requesting that he uploads the full situation that he has clearly recorded as it will truely show what he was/is like. He is painting a picture of him which is completely false and snipping out anything which doesn't benefit his case. 

If he doesn't upload the full evidence I personally feel like he is breaking the following forum rule:

'editing the evidence to make the accused look guilty, or knowingly providing false information on a report will end up getting banned themselves.'

He is snipping his evidence into what makes him look better which I think is totally unacceptable. 

That is all I will have to say for this case, if you need anything off me feel free to PM me or message me on teamspeak.

 

[Kral]

Of course this is a roleplay server but that doesn't mean I have to turn around and speak to the 2 people who just pulled up in ifrits because you didn't want to get out your ifrit and purse on foot, correct?

Obviously I can chase how I want to chase someone. It is faster to chase someone with a vehicle than on foot. So I chased him with a Ifrit and cut his way.

 

So you made a judgement of death within only 4 seconds with the words of 'hands up or die'. And once again, you still think that this is the correct method and what you did is acceptable?

No. I made a judgement call from the beginning I saw him with a gun which was at the gas station. And when I saw him turn to a garden which I was about to loose sight I shot him.

 

There is two stories you're fighting here, one is that you believe what you did is correct and the other is that you are sorry for what you've done and want forgiveness.

I believe that what I have done was fair enough however I am sorry as it could have been better if he was not avoiding us from the beginning .

 

It is not our fault you initiated saying 'stop or die' and as said in the help channel you've literally replaced one synonym with 'stop' instead of 'hands up' and you think it's acceptable?

If a person is avoiding me from the beginning and there is one golden opportunity to initiate on him where he could clearly hear me and could have easily stopped running. If someone would have given me 3 chances to stop running on a straight road I did not I would have taken the death so yes.

 

You state how you had to make a 'judgement call' on if you should proceed with killing him or not. What I would love to know, is why in the first place you thought it was great RP to just start initiating on him and like Stuart said why didn't you just shoot him in the leg to keep roleplay. There is zero roleplay in what you did and as said before you are the one who performed the 'stop or die' initiation.

It is up to me whether I want to kill the person or not when they do not comply with me. Plus if I would have shot him in the leg how could I possibly know that his friends were not around to kill me as I have shot at their friend in plain sight (just before I lost eyes on him). There was roleplay before I shot at the gas station. If he was not afraid or knew nothing would happen to him why wouldn't he turn around instead of running until I tell him to stop or he would die?
 

You can paint the picture on this player report on how you wasn't moaning but from what it seems you've uploaded audio of the event:

and this is you recording it not anyone else. Could you please upload the full help channel situation from the point of you argueiung you wanted your mates with @Jefke V. If you don't I am sure Jefke can vouch for what occurred.

It is not painting or whatever you call it. I had bits of recordings and this is was one of them. It was a important bit therefor I uploaded it. I will try to find a full recording.

 

What? So because it was a rebel on rebel situation you are allowed to perform that 'sufficient initiation'. I think you fail to understand this server Kral, it's not so you can perform the bare minimum in order to get into a gunfight it's a roleplay server not a ruleplay server... It doesn't matter what Jimmy was going to do in the situation, you shouldn't of performed that initiation how you did and then come into the staff support room thinking it was acceptable.

What? Why are you making things up or playing with my words? I am saying that police initiate in different ways and so do rebels. I cop cannot tell you to stop running or you will die. They have to announce that they are the police (armed police if armed with a weapon) and if they do not stop running they will be tazed / rubberd or arrested. However for rebel to rebel you can simply tell the person to stop running or they will die (like my initiation just a bit better / or couple of more seconds to comply). However even though I warned the man he kept running and if I did shoot his leg I could have been shot by his friends around. It does matter what you are doing in a situation. Can you initiate on a helicopter that's fully spooled up and in air? No. As he is in air and under a lot of noise. However here there was no noise for my initiation to be unclear. It was loud and clear and could have easily stopped running or show a sign of stopping.

 

Well myself and Jimmy are sorry that its our fault you performed a 'hands up or die' imitation. You make it sound like you're the victim here and how you're all innocent but you were so rude in the help support channel. Well it seems you clearly are breaking the rules a lot more than necessary if this is something that you do on a regular basis to have to give our comp or not... @Stuart @Jefke V 

I am not even trying to say I am the victim. I simply telling you that I initiated multiple times yet he decided to keep on running and trying to avoid me by going into a garden. If I were to do this on a regular basis would I be on the player report section more often? When I got a police holiday I do what I always wanted to do which is rob people. And if they are not happy and I feel generous even though it is obvious I am in the right I still offer them compensation, just so that they keep playing here.

 

So you think we're doing this because Jimmy died? Your behavior in the staff room was completely out of order to say the least and not to mention as I've said multiple times now on how you think what you did was acceptable.

I already mentioned the cause of my behavior. If you would have given it some time for things to cool down or reply with a positive msg to speak again after the staff channel you would have understood me better.

 

So you're telling me that you saw Triad performing 'hands up or die' initiations. I hardly believe that. On the point of the DI, you are a high ranking police officer. If you think initiations such as what you performed are acceptable then I feel you're mistaken. And what worries me is people in police will obviously look up to you for guidance and if you think initiations like that are acceptable and you're telling others that then  your actions are leading to a lot of people on the receiving end of shit RP

No I am not. I mean that when I was playing with the Triad gang we would get these types of initiations and just suck it up as we are warned. Me being a DI has nothing to do with this. Things are way different as a cop. And as a cop I have not messed up for a long time (at least 6/7 months). I am a honorable cop and I make my cop rp enjoyable for rebels who deserve it.What do you mean by "your actions are leading to a lot of people on the receiving end of shit RP" ? Are you trying to tell me that you will be reporting and getting every single cop/rebel who initiates on you the way you want it to be?

 

This is a flat out lie. Not once did you apologize for your action until you heard that Stuart told us it was the best idea to put a player report up. And not once did you agree that you could have done it better. It's not my job to tell you how you could of initiated better ; you didn't even need to initiate in the first place. Also as Stuart said in the staff room, you could of shot his leg out which was one of the suggestions that was offered to you.

You are right I did not apologize in TS as I was frustrated. However after I cooled down I messaged both of you trying to apologize and trying to talk again, yet I was rejected. It's not about having the need to initiate, I wanted to rob the truck and the people there yet the trucks were stored and the person was running. Like I stated above, I did not want to shoot the leg as I could have been shot soon as I shot him.

 

Please don't pass the blame onto other rebels, just because you see other rebels breaking rules doesn't make you exempt also.

I am not blaming anyone I am only telling you my experiences I gained from being a rebel for a week and getting initiated on by rebels as a cop.

 

I do love how you finally realize this once you find out a player report is going to be posted. It's not my fault you can't keep your emotions under raps. Do you not blame us for denying your 'apology'? We just sat in a room with you for 20 minutes while everyone in that room except for you and your mates said what you did was poor RP and yet you still stated otherwise. I was at the point where I couldn't believe what I was hearing anymore and both myself and Jimmy didn't want to hear anything else you had to say.

The staff did not tell us you are going to file a report. Plus anyone is free to file a report. I PMed you after we got out of staff and cooled down. Who said I was blaming you for not accepting my apology? I am only saying that I made a apology after cooling down and realizing my mistake and you denied it. Plus that 20 minutes conversation was both sides giving their sides and examples of initiations and such.

 

If you want to place a player report up for however shot the warning shots. Be my guest but don't go off-topic with it as this isn't what this thread is about. On the note of the warning shots. You can't see tracers in day time so have some common sense when someone is shooting at your helicopter that they are warning shots.

I am not trying to go off topic. You are blaming me for poor RP / RDM yet you are shooting a helicopter without tracers. If you had tracers please show us a video as we had staff look at the tracers and they also agree that the tracers were not visible and warning shots are unclear. You say you can't see tracers in day time and tell me to use common sense? I am just going to leave this here:

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As you can see from my "tracers" video my laptop is not the best hence why I could only record in bits. I also believe that your friends video is edited from the way that we can only hear him loud and clear and not actually his TS audio it is really quite. However you can ask the staff involved as my attitude was not like I was swearing or anything like that. I agree that I was answering while laughing as these cases are happening way to often and I believe it is getting out of control. By that I mean not only me with the issues. you can check the other reports they are all about these stuff.

 

[GHOSTK1LL3R]

IIt is not painting or whatever you call it. I had bits of recordings and this is was one of them. It was a important bit therefor I uploaded it. I will try to find a full recording.

 

I don't know who you're trying to fool but if you expect myself and others to believe that you are clicking your record button and lucky recording the bits you want us to here you clearly are misinformed. I await your full recording and it shouldn't be hard to 'find' it so I am not sure what is taking so long.

I am not even trying to say I am the victim. I simply telling you that I initiated multiple times yet he decided to keep on running and trying to avoid me by going into a garden. If I were to do this on a regular basis would I be on the player report section more often? When I got a police holiday I do what I always wanted to do which is rob people. And if they are not happy and I feel generous even though it is obvious I am in the right I still offer them compensation, just so that they keep playing here.

You shouting at him at gas station for 1 second isn't initiation and unless you class 'stop or die' x4 as initiation then yes, you did 'initiate'. i

No I am not. I mean that when I was playing with the Triad gang we would get these types of initiations and just suck it up as we are warned. Me being a DI has nothing to do with this. Things are way different as a cop. And as a cop I have not messed up for a long time (at least 6/7 months). I am a honorable cop and I make my cop rp enjoyable for rebels who deserve it.What do you mean by "your actions are leading to a lot of people on the receiving end of shit RP" ? Are you trying to tell me that you will be reporting and getting every single cop/rebel who initiates on you the way you want it to be?

I am saying that within that channel when we talked to an admin you stated how what you did was a 'valid initiation'. If you at DI in the police force are there thinking something like that is acceptable then god knows what you're telling other police officers is acceptable. 

You are right I did not apologize in TS as I was frustrated. However after I cooled down I messaged both of you trying to apologize and trying to talk again, yet I was rejected. It's not about having the need to initiate, I wanted to rob the truck and the people there yet the trucks were stored and the person was running. Like I stated above, I did not want to shoot the leg as I could have been shot soon as I shot him.

So because you wanted to rob the trucks, even though he put his truck away you still wanted to initiate on him? What logic is that.

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I am not trying to go off topic. You are blaming me for poor RP / RDM yet you are shooting a helicopter without tracers. If you had tracers please show us a video as we had staff look at the tracers and they also agree that the tracers were not visible and warning shots are unclear. You say you can't see tracers in day time and tell me to use common sense? I am just going to leave this here:

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Are you seriously saying that the video is edited? Are you actually kidding me? Once again, this is exactly the Kral which I met in the staff support channel; kept stating what we were doing wrong rather than what he did wrong. This is exactly why I don't believe your apology is sincere. 

The only video which is 'edited' is your own, you have stated how you recorded 'bits' of the conversation, I don't understand how you expect anyone to believe that but you're not fooling me. I'd love for you to explain to me how you know exactly when each bit of evidence which 'helps' your case comes up for you to record that part. 

I am still awaiting the full evidence that you've recorded to be uploaded as I believe you are fully manipulating the evidence you own into your own 'advantage' if you'd call it that.

''editing the evidence to make the accused look guilty, or knowingly providing false information on a report will end up getting banned themselves.''

 

[Kral]

I don't know who you're trying to fool but if you expect myself and others to believe that you are clicking your record button and lucky recording the bits you want us to here you clearly are misinformed. I await your full recording and it shouldn't be hard to 'find' it so I am not sure what is taking so long.

You can wait as much as you want. If I find the full video I will post it.

 

You shouting at him at gas station for 1 second isn't initiation and unless you class 'stop or die' x4 as initiation then yes, you did 'initiate'. i

I am not only classing it as initiation. As I wrote above "interaction". He saw us and heard us saw did we. He began running for a reason. That is until I cur him off with the ifrit.

 

I am saying that within that channel when we talked to an admin you stated how what you did was a 'valid initiation'. If you at DI in the police force are there thinking something like that is acceptable then god knows what you're telling other police officers is acceptable. 

I don't think you understand what I mean by police initiations are different. Don't you worry GHOSTK1LL3R So far the people who has been taking me as a exemplar officer is now in high places such as INS @Jason Campbell, DSGT (ex INS) @Stan I, DI @Deathstroke and so on. So I suggest you leave the police part out of this as you do not know how things work internally or clearly I cannot see the knowledge at you about how police do stuff such as initiations. In addition you are also bringing it off topic here by relating stuff I do in my police holiday to my police career. I am starting to think that you are trying to do something for my police career? 

 

So because you wanted to rob the trucks, even though he put his truck away you still wanted to initiate on him? What logic is that.

First of all I said "I wanted to rob the truck and the people". So, the trucks got stored and there was a armed man running and I wanted to rob him for his gun and other stuff such as his clothes. It is a rebel logic. Where you go around and rob people that you think will get you more items you can trade or sell to other players for money. And that continues RP for the rebel who stole the items as he has to find a trust-able client and sell it for a good money and so on.

 

And once again, like in the staff support channel you are going off topic. This isn't about who shot warning tracers or if we shot them correct. Once again, if you want to file a player report on that feel free to do so but stop changing the subject and passing the blame. This is what annoyed myself and Jimmy so much in the staff support channel because this is what you did constantly. And on that note, i wasn't the one who shot the warning shots so stop thinking I did.

You are blaming me for poor rp/ rdm. So I am pointing out that you have also rdmed our helicopter in the same situation. Reporting bit is up to @Richard Monreo. Not changing the subject we are still talking about the same situation where both sides had mistakes yet I apologized for it even though you are not willing to accept it. Well in that case you might want to ask whoever that shot the warning shots to contact @Richard Monreo as he was the pilot you guys almost blew up. In addition in my first response you can see that I wanted to talk about the warning shots later on, (as even though it is different in people interacting even though it is from same gangs (don't know how you would know the heli is with us tbh)) and same situation, in Pyrgos.) If I were to intentionally change the topic would I say I want to talk about this later in my reply? No. Warning shots were mentioned in the report so I have the right to explain and point out stuff about it.

 

Are you seriously saying that the video is edited? Are you actually kidding me? Once again, this is exactly the Kral which I met in the staff support channel; kept stating what we were doing wrong rather than what he did wrong. This is exactly why I don't believe your apology is sincere. 

Yes I am seriously saying it was edited. No I am not actually kidding you. Once again your friends video TS audio is really dimmed and for some "reason" we can only hear him clearly and you guys in the background just mumbling/whispering stuff.

The only video which is 'edited' is your own, you have stated how you recorded 'bits' of the conversation, I don't understand how you expect anyone to believe that but you're not fooling me. I'd love for you to explain to me how you know exactly when each bit of evidence which 'helps' your case comes up for you to record that part. 

I am still awaiting the full evidence that you've recorded to be uploaded as I believe you are fully manipulating the evidence you own into your own 'advantage' if you'd call it that.

''editing the evidence to make the accused look guilty, or knowingly providing false information on a report will end up getting banned themselves.''

Like I stated above you can wait as much as you want and I will post it soon as I get it. Copying and pasting rules? You know what you guys are just after getting people (me in this case) banned. If what you said was true about an apology "'I messed up, I am sorry how can we make this right" you would have understood me being frustrated and coming back to apologize. But no. You wanted to file a report you did it, no problem. I am not here to lie, so stop accusing me for "editing videos" And stop subconsciously/indirectly telling me that I am lying and that I am "fooling" you. You can say whatever you want to yourself as "I am not stupid" or "you're not fooling me". Did I at any point in TS or this report call you names or anything close to these words? No. My behavior in TS was only me laughing and arguing with you with a normal tone of voice.

 So I have to say it repeat my self again soon as I get the TS conversation (if I have it) I will post it. Until then I am no longer going to post on this topic (Unless I find it necessary). I do not think you were looking for a apology at all, yet I am still here to give it as I do believe my initiation could have been better if he was not running. And my behavior could have been better if I cooled down before hand coming in. 



Thank you, and I am sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[Auxen]

Locked Pending Staff Review

 

[Auxen]

Based completely on the gameplay evidence supplied you did break rule number

7.1.3 - “Killing someone must be carried out with high roleplay, “put
your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low RP and may lead to a ban
for RDM/Fail RP.”

In the video the only verbal interaction made clear by kral was along the lines of “Stop running or we will shoot you, stop running or die” . Kral only exchanged clear initiation with the reportee for less than five seconds. The initiation Kral gave is clearly classed as “Low RP”

Myself and JJE Could breakdown every point within this report, however at the end of the day a rule break is a rule break and as staff we are here to enforce the rules.

Player banned for rule 7.1.3

NameI Kral [PY299]

Steam ID:76561198261714445

GUID:7b42e44357c63be55b4ed8644d039b5f

Message to Kral - You’re along standing member of this community, as you should know no player is exempt from the rules. That being said we do hope you file an unban appeal when you’re ready to do so.

JJE & Auxen