Report a Player - [db] Michael and roxahUK - RDM

[n00ms]

Your In-game name

Nooms

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

[db] Michael and roxahUK

Date of the incident

05/14/2016

Time of the incident (GMT)

13

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

We had done a salt run, I was at the trader and selling, someone shouted at me trying to rob me, I hid upstairs and waited for them, they heard a car come and they drove off. I then spent the next 5 mins selling the rest of my salt and set off for the nearest ATM. I drove there and as soon as I got there with my friend behind me, we heard "get away from the cash machine" I moved away from the cash machine and as he said "put your hands up" he shot me at the same time and his friend killed my friend next to me. I asked them to come to Teamspeak and they said they had initiated at the Salt Trader... this was over 5 mins ago and we had presumed they had gone. As you can see from the video, new location no initiation and 100% no time to put hands up or anything.

(7.1.4) Killing someone must be carried out with high roleplay, put your hands up or i will shoot etc is considered low RP and may lead to a ban for RDM.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://youtu.be/FY0qdCtTQOU

This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[MichaelThomas]

The initiation at the salt trader lasted about 5-10 minutes which is not shown in this video.  We were surrounded by armed players so decided to leave and head for where we thought their next location would be.  

There were 5 minutes MAX between the salt trader initiation and the cash machine -> as there was no rule in the rules list about maximum time between 1 initiation and the next, we considered this to be the same event.

 

[n00ms]

So because you got out-gunned you decided to shoot on sight this time? That is not keeping the RP going at all...

Same event? I was not chased. It was another location over 1k away, other players were involved now Creative5. There is no way without meta gaming that you would know that it was the same person that you tried robbing at salt trader.

 

[creative5]

I did not even hear you say anything at the atm. You shot n00ms and then me without initiating.

 

[n00ms]

I did not even hear you say anything at the atm. You shot n00ms and then me without initiating.

This is true he was a good distance back from me,  I could only just hear you from where I was it was very faint as you can hear in the video, so I am pretty sure he could not hear anything when he was shot. The addition of Creative to the event of me driving to the ATM should have shown to you, this might not be the same person. As before I was alone in my truck. Now there are 2 trucks. Reinitiation would be required to adhere to the rules.

I would have been happy if you just compensated me for the money I lost and Creative lost, I said this in side chat but you said there was no reason to discuss it.
 

 

[roxahuk]

Look we understand where you're coming from, we'd appreciate it if you saw our argument aswell. We don't RDM, it happens to us most days but we kinda just get on with it. There is nowhere in the rules about a different location or a certain time-frame. There might be on a forum post, but everyone is directed to the rules page, not a forum post. We both apologise that we've annoyed you or whatever, but you can't say that we didn't try doing RP when we were with you at the salt trader for about 10 minutes. The confusion comes from the different locations and time etc. We weren't trying to be assholes, we were just trying to follow rules like everyone else. But you're telling us rules that we can't even see. I don't really know what to say. We both apologise. I'll be honest I only started shooting when I heard the shots myself. But at the salt trader we gave plenty of final warnings for you to come outside. We just thought it was the same event. There's nothing more to be said from our side.

 

[n00ms]

I would have been happy if you had done the same initiation again, but you gave me and my friend no time to respond, I am guessing since you were desperate after I got away the first time. You clearly admit that if the second incident was isolated then it would be RDM. I was wearing a mask at the atm, there would be NO way you could have known it was the same person at the 1st incident. Therefore it was RDM as it would have been a whole new incident.

I am not pointing to anything that is not in the rules, it states 

(7.1.4) Killing someone must be carried out with high roleplay, put your hands up or i will shoot etc is considered low RP and may lead to a ban for RDM.

and you did NOT know we were the same people from 5 mins ago.

 

[roxahuk]

We know that rule, but you have told us about rules about 3 minutes after initiation and new locations, which are not in the rule book. We predicted where you were going to next, and we saw that it was the same truck and that you looked the same. We thought it was the same people. You still haven't shown any understanding from our argument, and you just seem like you want to get us banned. That is very disappointing.

 

[n00ms]

We know that rule, but you have told us about rules about 3 minutes after initiation and new locations, which are not in the rule book. We predicted where you were going to next, and we saw that it was the same truck and that you looked the same. We thought it was the same people. You still haven't shown any understanding from our argument, and you just seem like you want to get us banned. That is very disappointing.

I do not see it from your point of view that you KNEW it was us, in your own words as above where I have highlighted, thought is not a good enough reason to RDM. I changed one item of clothing and was wearing a mask, all Hemmet Boxes look the same AND I was with a NEW person in a NEW truck which changed the whole situation. You are disappointed that I have been RDM'ed and I am not happy about it? My group would have sent someone in close to the ATM and made sure it was either the same person by asking them, or creating  whole new initiation. We however would have followed the trucks, kept eyes on them at all times to keep the initiation alive... it died when you drove off and lost eyes on us. I could have swapped clothing with anyone in my group... it is not nit picking at the rules here, its common sense.

I was disappointed when you would not come on TS to sort this out, I would have asked for the cash I was carrying and the cash my friend was carrying. I would not have asked you to reimburse me for my weapons or gear. I was going to ask for 2 mil, I had 1.2 in cash he had 800k in cash.

 

[roxahuk]

This is not a case of us breaking the rules. Its a case of us misunderstanding the rules, I've only been playing about a week. I'm sorry that I'm not that experienced with the whole thing. I didn't mean to cause trouble, neither of us did. I'm constantly asking myself if I can do this or if I can't. It seems like there's a risk of you breaking a rule with everything that you do on the mod. We even discussed whether we could shoot you on sight before you came, because we had already given you a final warning at the salt trader. We weren't trying to break the rules atall. The reason we didn't go on teamspeak is because we wanted to continue playing and we didn't feel like we'd done anything wrong. But clearly you see it different. It probably wasn't the best RP at the ATM, but we did our best at the salt trader. We don't have 2million to give you, so I don't know what you want us to do about that. Accepting our apology and accept that we just misunderstood the rules would be the best way, rather than making all this drama over a misunderstanding. None of it was intentional, and I've apologised. What more can I do? :/ 

 

[MichaelThomas]

We did not see you ask us to come onto TS, so its not like we flat out refused to do so.

Plus we didn't pick up all of the money, there were two bystanders who turned up and picked at the scraps. 

 

[n00ms]

I did not put this up straight away, I showed the clip to a few people first who all thought it was out of order. I do understand what you are saying about the rules and yes they can be very hard to follow, always record so you can look back at things. In the heat of the moment you made a bad decision, if it was out of frustration of me getting away the first time, I understand, but trust me, it is better to let them get away than losing your cool and shooting without making sure you have played everything within the rules. 

 

We did not see you ask us to come onto TS, so its not like we flat out refused to do so.

Plus we didn't pick up all of the money, there were two bystanders who turned up and picked at the scraps. 

Something tells me you are not as honest as you are making yourselves out to be.

 

[roxahuk]

Okay. thank you for showing abit of understanding, and I appreciate what you've said. Where do we go from here though? We don't have the money to give you.

 

[n00ms]

OK, Myself and Creative had done salt runs the previous evening and all morning to get that money. I can see you are showing you understand now you did something wrong I am not sure where to go with this, I can't afford to lose that money, it was an RDM... I have put in a compensation claim regarding this.

@Gregorycan you offer some advice here? I have seen you have dealt with a lot of these cases... or @Crumble?

 

[MichaelThomas]

I did not put this up straight away, I showed the clip to a few people first who all thought it was out of order. I do understand what you are saying about the rules and yes they can be very hard to follow, always record so you can look back at things. In the heat of the moment you made a bad decision, if it was out of frustration of me getting away the first time, I understand, but trust me, it is better to let them get away than losing your cool and shooting without making sure you have played everything within the rules. 

 

Something tells me you are not as honest as you are making yourselves out to be.

Oh well in that case i apologize,  I didn't see this.

I don't know why you are questioning my honesty, I said i didn't see you ask us to come onto TS..  which is true regardless of the above picture.

 

[Gregory]

@Nooms Do you have the full video of the situation as i need to see myself the whole thing to make a decision. Otherwise ill just have to warn they guys on it but ban as the video is just not long enough for me

 

[n00ms]

My recording only lasts so long before it writes over the previous one. Since they bailed when the rest of my group turned up and no shots were fired as far as I was concerned that was the end of it, they drove off well out of vision as I had 6 more guys surrounding them. The left across the docks and out of sight. The video shows me travelling from the Salt Trader all the way to ATM, no engagement from them on the way, not followed, you then see my friend join me at the ATM as we pull in together. Which is where they should have reinitiated to make sure we were the same people.

I have a small clip from where me and my team were selling the rest of the Salt while they guarded me, the robbers were long gone then it cuts and thats where the new video begins, they are not in this clip, as when they left the RP scene, we then had to sell the rest of the salt and my friend sold his full truck of salt before we even set off for the ATM.

 

[Jamz]

Name:[db]Michael


Steam ID:76561198303998348


GUID:c64ebdf9aad360603e1e9d24cfca47f4




Name:roxahUK


Steam ID:76561197982082214


GUID:1fd12dac4cdfda3185102ec62f3b6da4



Actioned - 15/05/16

Whether a situation happened previously or not, without there being a chase or something, you cannot just give poor RP on over 1k away, especially after 5 minutes.

You did not know for certain that it was the correct guy you were after, and I did not see a chase happening or acceptable rp anywhere in these videos.