Report a player - Chloe Shinoda Adams - 256 - GTA RP

[FrooGames]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Noah Voight

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: Chloe Shinoda Adams - 256

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 06/02/22

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1700

What best describes this incident ?: RDM

Please (in detail) describe the incident: Ballas and Vagos have been having some on going beef since the Ballas tried to kill a close friend and now member of the Vagos Darren.
Since that incident there has been some back and forth shooting and beef between the two gangs.
Today myself and a number of Vagos members were sat on the Ballas compound. All of a Sudden a Blacked out Black tinted windowed Evo pulls up and just starts shooting at the Vagos members that were stood outside the gate fixing a bike and speaking to the officers that were at the compound. Nothing was said from the Evo as they just started shooting and drove off.
They killed one of the Members there I believe to be Wez and shot at another few members that were there (Which they didn't manage to kill).
We are not in any sort of war with Ballas as this is just some small on going beef between the two gangs. So there is no "KOS" on turfs or "War Rules" set or that have been put in place between the Ballas and the Vagos, so even if there was any sort of "KOS" or "War Rules" then she could've been any Tom Dick or Larry being in a full Black Car with tinted windows.
This isn't the first time now that Ballas have just shot at us without any initiation or words towards us so enough is enough and it's being reported, yes there is on going beef between the two gangs but this doesn't mean that you can just pull up and RDM people.

This is Chloe's ID after the Police stopped the car and she was in cuffs
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/968299527876530176/981975978727321611/unknown.png

This is Chloe replying to us in OOC when we were questioning who the Shooter from the Evo was that RDMed Wez
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/968299527876530176/981953951127719946/unknown.png

This is a Clip from Darren's POV from the ground where he is stood next to Wez and didn't hear anything from her before she started shooting. Darren in fact was closer to the car before it started shooting and as you can hear there is no words audible from the Evo.
https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/n2R6ko7vHhsm8/d1337132ONzg?invite=cr-MSxaMU0sMjIwMzQ1OTcs

Clip provided below is from my POV of the incident from the Roof and you can clearly see that the Evo is very far away from where the Vagos members were so you can't hear any words coming from her.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/n2QthzkysSLdG/d13376EkzIXI?invite=cr-MSxEU3YsMjEzODI1OTQs



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Chlo]

Hi Noah, You didn't actually give me a chance to speak ooc in TS or discord after the situation had ended. Instead you go straight to a report, how about we talk on TS or discord? If not I will respond to the report. 

 

[FrooGames]

Hi Chloe, 

I don't feel there is any need to go to TS about this it was clear and blatant RDM in my opinion. You didn't say a thing or give any RP to the situation but instead pulled up and just started shooting at the Vagos members on the ground. 

So you're welcome to respond to the report. 

 

[Chlo]

Hello Noah,

Firstly I want to point out that I feel that this report was not needed, we could've spoken in discord or teamspeak to resolve this, I do not appreciate that you did not try to resolve this with me...

I noticed in the clips Vagos identified it was me and my car when listening to their comms, you say that it was RDM but you identified me, yes the car was blacked out and the windows are tinted pure black but you still identified me not straight away but very quickly and called it out on radio. Who else would open fire at Vagos who are in full colours on Ballas turf? 

Here is my perspective of the situation;

I go on radio to try to contact any Ballas to get as much information on the situation at turf since Vagos and Ballas have been beefing Vagos are known to sit on turf hiding, I make my way to the clothing shop by Bahamamas to dress purple so I can be identified. I then am driving to turf and no one is responding, I go past in the Evo to see what is happening at turf as Vagos keep breaking into Ballas turf and sitting on the compound with guns, the reason I was in a blacked out Evo was to assess the situation on Ballas turf before entering at this point I had no information on what had happened at turf and drove by to see Vagos in full colours on the turf. I don't understand why Vagos can sit on Ballas turf in full colours and expect not to be shot. I took a window of opportunity and opened fire from the Evo, I thought I had broken the window on the drivers side prior to shooting, I was wearing purple but of course I didn't realise the window wasn't smashed and I wasn't out of the car. I go around in the Evo, open firing at Vagos I then drive to Forum Drive to then proceed on foot but police turned up so I had to get back into the Evo again to flee, police then chase me, more units turn up and I get boxed in and I got dealt with by police.

I am unsure what you expected from this situation, Vagos are all on Ballas turf. The known turf of the gang Vagos have been beefing for a week now. In full Gang clothing and in numbers camping the compound. With so many gunfights, kidnappings and shit talking between the gangs I am unsure how you didn't expect to be shot in that situation.

I wanted to point out Noah after looking at the clips I noticed it not yourself "RDM'd" I believe it is Wesley... I am curious as to why yourself is reporting me and not Wesley, I would want Wesley's opinion and feelings on the situation if possible.

 

[FrooGames]

Chloe, 

Firstly I'd like to say that I am not required to take people to TS and I usually do but in this case enough was enough Ballas as a group have done this too many times over the last few days just driving past and shooting us with no roleplay or words towards us whether it's been on your turf or our own turf. So finally enough was enough we let it slide the times that it happened before as we assumed for a whitelisted group these things shouldn't happen but sometimes people make mistakes but when the same mistake happens over and over then action is needed to be taken. And you might not appreciate it not being taken to TS but we don't appreciate our roleplay being cut short from us getting RDMed. 

I noticed in the clips Vagos identified it was me and my car when listening to their comms, you say that it was RDM but you identified me, yes the car was blacked out and the windows are tinted pure black but you still identified me not straight away but very quickly and called it out on radio. Who else would open fire at Vagos who are in full colours on Ballas turf? 

If you look at the clips provided on the clip I provided from 1:45 - 2:00 not once was it said that it was Chloe in the car. Let me quote it exactly:

"Whos in the Black Evo?" "No Idea whos in the Evo" - this is just after you've shot so there is no clue or reason we have to believe that a black evo could be you. 

And in Darren's POV of what happened it is only when Cal an ex Balla said at 0:24 in his clip "Think that could be Chloe's car you know" 

So it is only after you've already killed one of the Vagos member with no initiation and after you've already left that it's been identified that it could be you see how Cal says he thinks it's you not that it is you. 

And it's not then until 0:43 where Cal says "It's definitely her she's got a Black Evo" 

So for you to say that "Vagos identified it was me and my car" we identified it again 30 seconds or so after Wez had already been killed, "You say it's RDM but you identified me" as I just stated before we did not know it was you at all and had no reason to question or have to worry about the Black Evo that is driving past as it could be anyone. In my opinion it is clear RDM and even if the car was Purple it's still RDM because we are not in a war you cannot just start shooting or fighting with another player or group of people without initiation unless there is "war rules" that are agreed by both leaders and staff (Which there isn't any in place as we are not in a war). "Who else would open fire at the Vagos" Anyone could open fire at us from a Black Evo it could be people with personal vendetta's against certain members or the gang as a whole it could be another gang taking the opportunity to strike at Vagos (Off course if it was anyone we would still expect the same amount of Roleplay to be provided and for them to actually initiate the situation rather than just shooting us with no initiation)

I make my way to the clothing shop by Bahamamas to dress purple so I can be identified.

So you get in purple to be identifiable yet get in a Blacked out car so that we don't know immediately that it is you surely if you wanted to be identifiable you'd be in a purple car also?

I go past in the Evo to see what is happening at turf as Vagos keep breaking into Ballas turf and sitting on the compound with guns, the reason I was in a blacked out Evo was to assess the situation on Ballas turf before entering at this point I had no information on what had happened at turf and drove by to see Vagos in full colours on the turf.

So knowing the information that Vagos have been breaking in and sitting on the compound you decide to scout it before you come back to your turf (I agree I would do a similar thing if I knew people were on our turf however I would make myself unidentifiable as I am gathering information about what is happening and I wouldn't want to be sussed out or have my cover blown) So now that you've scouted the area and seen that there are multiple Vagos members in full colours, going off what you've said surely you'd assume that they are all or most of them are armed would it then not be a good idea to leave the area so that there is no possible way danger would come to you? Because for me personally if I was scouting my turf and I see multiple members of a gang on my turf that I know will  most likely be armed I would leave the area to ensure my safety. 

I don't understand why Vagos can sit on Ballas turf in full colours and expect not to be shot.

Expecting to be shot? This isn't RSM, the server isn't all about shooting we sit on your turf to create roleplay situations and scenarios for both Ballas and Vagos and the Police to be involved with. Sitting on your turf isn't us sat there going we want to be shot or we want to have a gun fight that is us being there to open the opportunity for roleplay. One angle you could've taken is maybe going to Vagos turf and spraying it taking a picture and using that as a method to maybe continue the roleplay of us sitting on your turf for you to then sit on ours as just one angle you could take it but it is roleplay so there are hundreds of ways you could've dealt with it. But instead we're met with just shooting. 

I took a window of opportunity and opened fire from the Evo, I thought I had broken the window on the drivers side prior to shooting, I was wearing purple but of course I didn't realise the window wasn't smashed and I wasn't out of the car.

You took the window of opportunity to open fire. I feel like this is just so poor from your side honestly, as I mentioned just above there are so many other ways that you could've dealt with the situation of us being on your turf other than just shooting at us. Saying you took the window of opportunity feels like you're almost saying you had no other option in that situation when you had many options, since again we had no reason to question who was in the Black Evo since to us it just looked like it was driving past to which it then just randomly started opening fire. Even if you rolled down the window and were wearing purple this doesn't mean you're allowed to RDM people.

Let me remind you of what the rule says. 

(G1.2) Random Death Match (RDM) - Attacking another player without engaging in any form of quality roleplay is considered RDM. (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. “Put your hands up or I will shoot” and countdowns are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering violence.)

In the clips provided you can clearly see that you have provided no form of roleplay to this situation and instead shot at the Vagos members without engaging with them in any sort of way. 

I am unsure what you expected from this situation, Vagos are all on Ballas turf. The known turf of the gang Vagos have been beefing for a week now. In full Gang clothing and in numbers camping the compound. With so many gunfights, kidnappings and shit talking between the gangs I am unsure how you didn't expect to be shot in that situation.

I am unsure who you think this is acceptable to do in the situation, Agreed the gangs have been beefing I opened up my report with that. With so many gunfights and kidnappings we expect the roleplay to increase getting more and more intense and for both gangs to be creating different roleplay situations for the beef to create tension and to make it enjoyable for both sides of this small beef that has been going on between the two gangs. For example one of the routes we took was getting all the Vagos crammed into the back of a benson with Melee weapons and we went to the Ballas compound and kidnapped Shay and did a whole situation around kidnapping her taking her eye out and then taking her back to the Ballas turf and leaving her there. When you say that we just expect to be shot sort of tells me the roleplay that you think a criminal character should be providing which I don't agree with in the slightest being a criminal and being in a whitelisted gang you are expected to provide quality roleplay and to be role models for newer players and the community. 

I would want Wesley's opinion and feelings on the situation if possible.

As far as I'm aware Wez is currently busy but will give you his opinion on the situation as soon as he is able too. 

 

[Merek]

@FrooGames

You'd be right in saying you're not required to take someone to solve before posting a report up. However this is meant to be for situations where the other parties will completely refuse to solve etc. The aim of solving is to make people realise their mistakes/discuss the situation and come to a diplomatic solution, which you've clearly not done. 

I'd like to start with the first part of your response in which you accuse Ballas of doing drive bys with no RP etc. Yet I haven't seen any other reports or people being call to liaison since Ballas and Vagos have started their 'beef'.

Secondly you mention that Chloe shot without any 'initiation'. Please remove this initiation mindset. This is not Arma there is no such thing as initiation here. The reason we don't have initiation is so that you can make up interesting stories and it becomes more realistic rather than "out the car with your hands up or you'll be shot". Do you really thing that if 1 gang is sat on another gangs turf that they would go and walk up and try hold someone up...

Context is all and in this case, you should not expect to have shootouts all week long and then not find hostility while sitting on that turf.

Moving onto your comment about wearing colours/being in a blacked out car. Regardless of clothes are being worn this does not change any server rules. You (A Vagos member, where the gang has been beefing with Ballas over the past few days) are sat on an opposing gangs turf trying to 'create' 'quality RP'. I'm really not sure how you're intending to do this when most of you are all armed with guns and you're clearly there to antagonise them/bait a reaction to turn into a gun fight. 

My final point is that you mention staff agree on war rules. This is most certainly not the case, war rules are agreed upon by gang leads and under no circumstance do they trump server rules. 

After discussing with the rest of the staff team this report will now be declined.

 

[Merek]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.