Report a Player - Brig. Bojing - RDM (Rejected)

[Lincoln]

Your In-game name

Lincoln

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Brig. Bojing

Date of the incident

07/26/2017

Time of the incident (GMT)

2205

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

Was looking for houses to rob in the UNMC lands as per usual, when myself and Voxilate stumble across another rebel (Brig. Bojing) They exchange a few words and I decided to go look for his truck, I saw it almost instantly and right next to a house so I thought I'd give it a little knocky knock and someone was home.

I eventually attempted to break down the door when mr Brig. Bojing tells me to stop and instantly starts firing towards Voxilate. There was no quality roleplay from Brig. Bojing and attempted to RDM Vox and quite possibly myself too.

Once he was downed he did not say a word, so I assumed he was talking on TS with his friends, in which I tabbed out to have a look and indeed he was unmuted talking to his friends.
I messaged to inform him that he needs to be muted while downed and he insisted he does not need to and was having a "general chat" with friends instead of roleplaying.

Reporting for: 

(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).

[SIZE=medium](5.4) When you are revived/downed:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]You may not actively enter or continue any combat situation for the next 15 minutes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Your character retains all knowledge of the time before they are downed.[/SIZE]

While you are downed you may not divulge tactical information to anyone. The exception to this is information spoken in direct chat in game. Please be mindful that you are heavily injured and should act accordingly.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

http://plays.tv/video/597909427c1ddefa03/bojing?from=user
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Trisha]

I would like to say that I was never contacted to resolve this over TS. I agree the initiation wasn't great and it can be worked on. But I was never talking to my friends but was out of the room. I never told anyone that you were breaking into my house as I was down. It can still be worked out and I would like to see a resolution to it. I regret not initiating correctly in that situation but I was not communicating with my friends nor telling them tactical information. Again, I realize the initiation was poor and that was my fault, but I didn't divulge information to my friends in TS I was out at the time and when I came back they were executing me.

 

[Lincoln]

I would like to say that I was never contacted to resolve this over TS. I agree the initiation wasn't great and it can be worked on. But I was never talking to my friends but was out of the room. I never told anyone that you were breaking into my house as I was down. It can still be worked out and I would like to see a resolution to it. I regret not initiating correctly in that situation but I was not communicating with my friends nor telling them tactical information. Again, I realize the initiation was poor and that was my fault, but I didn't divulge information to my friends in TS I was out at the time and when I came back they were executing me.

Just highlighting some points. 

1: You were contacted over TS

2: You said on TS that "You can talk to your friends if you want to" which is clearly in the screenshot I provided.

3: You say again you was not communicating with friends, well yes you were, you admitted it.

I find it hard to believe you were out of your room when you were downed, as you were obviously at your computer when you shot at us and when you replied on TS within 51 seconds as you can see again, in the screenshot provided.

I do not wish to resolve the matter on TS and will be leaving this in the hands of the staff team. 

 

[Trisha]

When I say you never contacted me, I mean that you never asked me to come resolve an issue. You messaged me a few minutes after being downed and I was talking with someone outside my door and when I came back you had messaged me, I again was never giving information to anyone in TS. Just because I answered quickly doesn't mean I was at my desk, there was a reason I wasn't responding and you don't particularly need to know. I also don't understand why you won't try to resolve something in which was a mistake. Mistakes happen and things can be worked out, that's how the world works, all I want to do is work things out and not get anyone hurt because of it. 

 

[TikTak]

@Lincoln could you please provide a longer video?

Also can you please explain to me how you are communicating with @Voxilate over the radio but not talking ingame? 

 

[LONG BEARD]

The RDM, there is no disputing.

(5.4) there is no stipulation in the rules that you MUST mute your mic, though it's generally seen as the done thing to prevent any accusations of 'divulging tactical information'. @Lincoln Is there any proof that jean luc was divulging tactical information? For example, did any or his friends / gang show up after he was downed?

With regards to fact Jean Luc said nothing when he was downed, I don't think it's unrealistic to RP being unconscious or unable to speak. The main focus here for me is he wasn't RP'ing that he was fine. 

Finally Lincoln, whilst you have quoted a number of alleged rule breaks, only one of which I see as valid, you yourself have fallen foul of 3.5.

(3.5) You must hot-mic all communications that have been made over teamspeak when they are relevant to influencing the course of roleplay. This means that if you are communicating to fellow team members via Teamspeak and you are in audio proximity range of another player (they can hear you), you must hot mic any commands given so the rival player can overhear. 

The following conversation takes place over TS without hotmicing

You -  "this is his house right here, guarantee you this is his house".
Partner - "rob it rob it rob it" 
You - "Should I? While he's here?"
Partner - "I'll rob him as well mate, I don't give a fuck"

Now it cold be argued that had Jean heard this chat in game, he may have acted differently, perhaps alerting his friends his house was about to be robbed and getting some backup on the scene.

Please explain this why this wasn't hotmic'd 

In short, rules broken on both sides.

Taking into consideration the clean record of Jean Luc, a long standing member of the community who has admitted his mistake and is willing to try and resolve, I'm going to ask if you would like to reconsider resolving this via TS.

Edit : It appears @Tik Tak replied whilst I was typing this, but the same question is being asked.

 

[Lincoln]

I'm replying by mobile so I'll keep this short, as my PC is currently being repaired.

From memory I was behind the house when I said this, meaning he would not hear me anyway. Realistically I'm on the other side of a building. But then yes maybe it could have been hot miked just in case.

For a long standing community member as you say, should know that high quality roleplay is needed before shooting at people. I'm not able to come on TS as mentioned above, my PC is being repaired. I tried to talk to him via TS already and his attitude wasn't really the best. Also preferring to talk to friends on TS instead of roleplaying doesn't seem the best. 

If we do talk on TS, we're looking at least a few days until I get my PC back

 

[TikTak]

@Lincoln Once your back on your PC contact me or @SI LONG BEARD on TS.

 

[LONG BEARD]

@Jean Luc

Whilst you have replied directly to Lilcoln, I would like to hear your side of the story and why you decided to shoot these guys without any form or RP initiation?

 

[Trisha]

When I first showed up, I saw a guy going to houses and trying to open doors, so I decided to go have a chat. I asked him if his car was for sale, and was told no, with that I turned and jogged away. He came after me telling me to not run away from him and what you can see from the video. When I saw that Lincoln was Breaking into my house I told them, and I understand it isn't quality, to "put his hands up" (or something like that, no threat to life). When Voxilate pulled out a gun and I feared that he was going to shoot and kill me, I opened fire and missed, not killing anyone. I don't know what to do in that situation where when I give an order and someone pulls out a gun and I'm about to be shot by him. I'd rather value my life and shoot back before I'm shot. I have no video of this as I'm not able to physically run Arma whilst recording. I do understand that I never threatened his life and I gave poor rp to that situation in the way of initiating on them.

 

[LONG BEARD]

When I first showed up, I saw a guy going to houses and trying to open doors, so I decided to go have a chat. I asked him if his car was for sale, and was told no, with that I turned and jogged away. He came after me telling me to not run away from him and what you can see from the video. When I saw that Lincoln was Breaking into my house I told them, and I understand it isn't quality, to "put his hands up" (or something like that, no threat to life). When Voxilate pulled out a gun and I feared that he was going to shoot and kill me, I opened fire and missed, not killing anyone. I don't know what to do in that situation where when I give an order and someone pulls out a gun and I'm about to be shot by him. I'd rather value my life and shoot back before I'm shot. I have no video of this as I'm not able to physically run Arma whilst recording. I do understand that I never threatened his life and I gave poor rp to that situation in the way of initiating on them.

And now you've had time to reflect on this situation, how would you deal with this differently in the future?

 

[Trisha]

I would, if trying to stop them, first talk to them, trying to work something out and making the most of the situation at hand within role-play. I would try to use role-play to my advantage and create a better situation than what took place. I wouldn't go straight in with a gun and try to start a fight. I've learned that talking to people gets you farther than pulling a trigger and I know I need to talk more when I try to be a rebel. I can see that what I did was wrong and I now know how to make myself better and make role-play better when it comes to anything like this. I see and understand how I can make my role-play with other players better when it comes to that sort of thing and I apologize for the actions I took.

 

[LONG BEARD]

@Jean Luc

I have discussed the situation with Lincoln and he has agreed to withdraw the complaint.

However, regardless of that, the only thing that has spared you a ban here is the fact that you have been playing blemish free for a long period of time and I don't feel a ban will benefit anyone on this occasion.  You will however be receiving a warning on your record which will be taken heavily into account should something like this happen again. You are no longer blemish free, so keep this at the front of your mind whenever you go into a situation like this in the future. 

As Lincoln rightly pointed out, as a long standing member you should know better and we expect standards to be much higher when it comes to players who know the rules. 

@Lincoln & @Voxilate in future, make sure you hotmic any radio communications when other players are in earshot, particularly if that communication could influence the direction of events.    

Rejected.