Report a player - Bobby from cutlass i believe - GTA RP

[Molotov]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Sam Jacobs
Reported Players: Bobby from cutlass i believe
Date: May 23, 2024
Time: 21:30
What best describes this incident: RDM
Please (in detail) describe the incident: Hello to whichever staff takes their time to look at this report.

I am going to keep it short and simple. For context, I saw Lois running down the road near TireNutz. I offer to give her a lift to Alta Parking to get what she needed. We left Alta and went to her apartment to get a car out. When we pulled up we could hear loads of sirens and I saw Cutlass cars so I stopped to be nosey and see what was happening. When I got to the top of the stairs I turned to make sure Lois was okay and this is when I was shot with no RP and no words by the cutlass member i believe to be Bobby.
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[6AN6]

Thank you so much for posting this so I can explain the background of these interactions.

Let's start by highlighting the point Ben made in his report.

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You nonetheless decide to come onto our turf and gun us down.

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Then, as we push on them, you and Aztecas assist Grove by providing communications, gathering bodies, and then mocking us while removing our phones and radios. Staff even put in OOC at one point and prevented you from assisting Grove.

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I gave the order to have Aztecas put to death for the disrespect you have been showing.

This leads us to our current point.
After we shot and robbed Aztecas on the Moselys roof, you arrive to the scene and say, "Look at that Cutlass," at 2:07 (Your Clip). You then perform the sharpest right turn I've ever seen. This suggests to me that you are entirely aware of the risk and circumstance you are in, and I think you are using OOC information. I say OOC info; why?
Since you never address your group in the clip, but you do mention at the very end, "They are coming for me"... Who are they? How do the people you're talking to over the radio know "They"? This leads me to think that there were other channels of communication in use.

In any case, we had just shot the other members of your group across the road, rolled up to you, and shouted for you to come, but you chose to ignore us and try to flee into the house. We shoot you and walk away to prove that we don't tolerate disrespect.

You've been provoking a response for the past few days, and when you do, you post the result on the forums. This exposes the hypocrisy, and I think people are plotting to ban us because they simply do not like us.

 

[Molotov]

Kash,

I'd like to remind you on C5.4 Report Interferrance - Commenting on a report a player thread that is not involving you, or in which you took no active part in the situation being reported. Whilst you were present when I believe I was RDM'd, unless you were the one that shot me I believe there is no reason for you to be replying. I have reported Bobby and expect to hear from Bobby.

I don't appreciate the fact that when a report is put up against a member of Cutlass you are constantly trying to reply on their behalf and it is something I won't allow to happen during this report. I will respond to your comment and then after that I expect Bobby to reply and not yourself.

The comment made by Ben at the time was completely true. Aztecas had no intentions of warring Cutlass. That was until Cutlass started talking shit on Tweedle thinking Aztecas wouldn't do anything about it. The reason in which Aztecas chose to go and look for Cutlass where you state we came to your turf and "gunned you down" was a retaliation to the beef you yourself caused. I would also like to point out that the clip you have provided of Aztecas happened the day prior to this report and it was a retaliation of Cutlass' constant shit talking on Tweedle and Aztecas decided to take action. It doesn't mean Cutlass can go around RDMing when it suits them.

I would like to make it abundantly clear that there was in no way any assistance given to Grove. No bodies were picked up and no communications given. Yes, Azteca members talked shit to the downed Cutlass members but why wouldn't they? It is clear that Aztecas do not like Cutlass, we're not gonna drive past and ask how your day has been? If we see you down we're going to talk shit. Not a single Azteca "assisted" Grove in any way shape or form.

As you can tell from my clip, I clearly say "look at that, Cutlass" in a sarcastic manner. To say I took a sharp turn due to "risk" is clutching at straws considering I had to turn there to get to Lois' apartment which is where I was heading to in order to get a car.

I was clearly unaware of the fact there was an Azteca down at Moseley's and it's clear I wasn't involved in the situation. I was aware there was a situation but I wasn't aware of the details such as location which is why I was on my way to get a car. At the time I didn't hear anyone shouting any commands at myself and at no point was an attempt to flee into the house made. As you can very clearly see on my clip I don't even use Alt on the apartment door. I was there to get a car out and had no intentions of entering the house, if I did I would have had plenty of time to do so. The reason I turn is to make sure Lois is okay as I can see multiple cars surrounding her.

To address your metagaming claims, if you listen carefully in the clip, you can hear Bob ask "you boys good" at 2:44, to which I reply "they're coming for me". I'd also like to point out Cutlass are the only people that Aztecas currently have an issue with. It is not far of a jump to assume that "they" is Cutlass on any occasion.

If you would like to take it personal then that is completely your prerogative but the bottom line is if I hadn't been shot with no RP and nothing said to me, we wouldn't be here. This isn't personal. Whether I like you or not has no sway on whether I make a report for a rule break. There is no plot against you.

Now like I have stated above, you were present but were not the one that shot me to my knowledge so I don't expect you to reply further. I would like to hear from the individual that is actually being report and I believe they are more than capable of speaking for themselves, you don't need to do it on their behalf. Thanks.

 

[6AN6]

To be crystal clear, I ordered the shooting as payback for what you did and have been doing lately, as seen by the clips I've provided.

"I was clearly unaware of the fact there was an Azteca down at Moseley's and it's clear I wasn't involved in the situation. I was aware there was a situation but I wasn't aware of the details"- Molotov

You keep contradicting yourself. So you did, yet were unaware that Cutlass had shot members of your gang? In your video, you never discuss the matter, but you now acknowledge that you were aware of it beforehand. Either you purposefully removed such elements from the video, or you communicated with others differently. This, in my opinion, shows the extent you'll manipulate a situation to make a report.

There's a strong win mentality here, and you don't feel content unless Cutlass loses in some way. I genuinely think there's more going on here than just roleplay after hearing the emotions captured in an odd video that was posted.

 

[Molotov]

Again Kash,

You are not the one being reported so I am not sure why you keep responding to reports on members of your gang on their behalf?

It doesn't matter WHY you "ordered" the shooting, ordering a shooting does not mean you can go around RDM'ing everyone. The fact of the matter is I was shot with NO RP.

I was unaware that there was a member of Aztecas down at Moseley's as I wasn't involved in the situation. I was in a local car heading to Lois' house to get a car. Before this I was at TireNutz and Ben and Jordan had stole my car, so I got a local to get a new one, as mentioned in the video I provided. Timestamp for this (for staffs ease is 0:57, Lois asks why I'm driving a local and I say "because they stole my car" to which she acknowledges by saying "I know, I watched them do it").

In the time it took me to take Lois to Alta, then to her apartment, Ben and Jordan were shot at Moseley's IN MY CAR. I am unaware that they have been shot as they didn't get chance to radio. I then drive to Lois' apartment and say "look at that, Cutlass". I say I was aware of a situation with Cutlass as a broad term, as a member of the gang I am aware of the beef and tension currently between Aztecas and Cutlass as well as what had happened a day prior, but as I was unware of Ben and Jordan being shot specifically in that moment, I was unaware of the CURRENT situation and was not a part of it. I apologise for my wording if it made you think otherwise.

At 2:44 Bob then asks "you boys good?" after I have pulled up to Lois' apartment and seen multiple Cutlass cars being chased by police. I respond with "they're coming for me". As everyone in the gang is aware we're having issues with Cutlass, "they" wouldn't be anyone else in this situation.

If you feel a rule has been broken, please feel free to make your own report and not clog this one or try to divert it away from the rule break that has been reported. If you were not the one that shot me then I no longer need to speak with you. You do not need to comment on every report on behalf of you members if they are quite able to reply themselves. You are not the one being reported.

The simple fact is, I feel a rule has been broken and I have reported it. Whether you take that personally is on you. I won't be replying further unless asked to by staff or if Bobby replies himself.

 

[6AN6]

I'm guessing that you were hearing our name spoken elsewhere and responded at that point in the game "they're coming for me", unaware that you had never mentioned anything before. I'm replying because I accept full responsibility for the shooting.

 

[Charles Vane]

A lot of accusations being thrown all over the place here. So, from what i have just double checked i can see that Jordan and Ben were both shot 12 and 13 seconds before you were shot @Molotov and there death location as you say was near mosleys just around the corner.

I would assume from what i have seen and whats not been shown in the video you were aware of the threat there a lot more than you are making out in this report but your 3 minutes gives you deniability on that. However, you not knowing the actions of your gang just around the corner there is not Cutlass's fault. Much the same if you shoot a cop around the corner of a gunfight with police but he is just on a traffic stop yet the rest of the police are in a shootout around the corner. There would be no real rulebreak.

So, as 2 of your gang members were shot just around the corner, i would say there was an active scenario already you just were not aware of it. Which is unfortunate, but also not cutlass's fault.

Report denied.