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Report a Player - Bazzer Hudini 250 , Teodor Hudini 248, and a Third person - RDM

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CSI Greenhalgh

Los Santos Police Command
Los Santos Police Command
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Location
The Snake Pit
Your In-game name

Barry Greenhalgh

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Bazzer Hudini 250 , Teodor Hudini 248, and a Third person

Date of the incident

08/05/20

Time of the incident (GMT)

2300

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

FiveM

Please (in detail) describe the incident

I was refueling in a fuel station when a car turned up in front of me and stated "hands up, Hands up"
I saw one weapon pointed at me but I thought since i was in my vehicle I could make a quick escape but I was wrong.
This has been happening to multiple people all night from the same gang
After I was shot they also referenced the rules said they would see me on the forums. The video says everything.

There was no roleplay that was attempted to be given to me at any point.
Also this is not the first time they called me r%tard and their attitude does not give the community a good name.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

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This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

No

 
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We were actually planning on reporting you (and multiple others) for this, funnily enough. We are sick to death of police having absolutely no value for their life, first of all i'd like to comment on some of your false claims before I move onto how you have selectively edited and cut your video as to hide your rule breaking.

I was refueling in a fuel station when a car turned up in front of me and stated "hands up, Hands up"I saw one weapon pointed at me but I thought since i was in my vehicle I could make a quick escape but I was wrong.
We pulled up in front of you, blocking your escape from the front as reversing away from two guys with uzis pointed at you and a third guy on a motorbike with a combat pistol is a straight up death sentence. The first words said to you were "Police, do not move the car or we shoot", followed by "Hands up, do not get out of the car right now, Hands up x4, stop moving, STOP THE FUCKING CAR". We then lit you up intending to break tyres or scare you into stopping. However you went slamming into Bazza on his bike clearly intending to kill him during your "escape".

At this point I call out to my friends that you rammed bazza and then killed you, this is all shown in our video. You mention trying to make a "quick escape" but is reversing away from 3 people with guns pointed at you "quick"? No, it's an absolute suicide mission after being threatened with being shot.

There was no roleplay that was attempted to be given to me at any point.Also this is not the first time they called me r%tard and their attitude does not give the community a good name.
May I ask you what this even means? You were the one that denied any roleplay by deciding to have no value for your life, attempting to reverse away after being directly threatened with death. After you intentionally rammed into Bazza Hudini you only signed your death warrant, instead of potentially having a fun RP hostage/robbery situation.

As for using the word "retard", whats the issue? I don't see any mention of it or any other words (other than racism, obviously) not being allowed on https://www.roleplay.co.uk/gtarprules/? We feel words like this fit our hardened chechen mobster character background and add to the RP, if we're told to stop by an admin we will, however we've heard much worse words said during our time here and no one has batted an eye.

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Now we'll move onto your next fun aspect of this interaction, after you were killed for not complying with our demands and then attempting to kill Bazza, you then decided to lock your vehicle while downed, going against rule G4.4. It is completely against RP to be able to lock a car while on the ground with multiple gunshot wounds, you did this completely out of spite and unfortunately it is WAY too common for police to do this, it has happened maybe 7-8 times to us in the last few days.

This is all backed up by Teodor's video of the situation, you can see Bazza enter your car but accidentally press F again instead of his seat belt, when he tries to enter again he can't because you've locked it while unconscious, dying from bullet wounds. Explain yourself, it's extremely poor and as I said just clearly done out of pure malice.

(G4.4) When you are revived/downed:
Please be mindful that you are heavily injured and should act accordingly, you were downed and have lost the fight, you will not recover instantly.
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Now then, onto how you selectively left out the most important part of this interaction from your video and decided to only show footage from after you were dead. This is because when you decided to break RP by locking your car while bleeding out on the ground, frankly, it pissed us off. As we mentioned it happens far too often, we stupidly broke RP at that point and asked you why the hell you did that because we're sick of that BS happening, and we own up to that mistake completely.

Looking back we should have just stayed in character, recorded it and reported it, and in the future we will do just that.

Now we'd like to ask you to upload the full video like we have, showing you ignore our initiation and "attempt" to escape by reversing from 3 people with guns pointed at you, showing you attempt to kill our gang member before being killed and finally showing you lock your car while bleeding out on the ground due to being shot several times.

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Here's our video, i'll timestamp some of the key moments this upstanding member of the community decided to selectively leave out to make us look bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORmCZXMCIM4

0:01 - 0:03 You hear me saying "alright police do not move the car or we shoot"

0:03 - 0:07 We pull up in front of him, blocking his easy escape. Me and Teodor have two uzi's pointed at him while Bazza is to the side also pointing a weapon at him "Do not get out of the car, hands up hands up hands up hands up, STOP MOVING"- Me "STOP THE FUCKING CAR" - Teodor

0:07 - 0:11 We open fire on his vehicle, not intending to kill him until he smashes Bazza against the wall on his bike, you then hear me say "yo he just fucking hit baz, kill him", either me or Teodor then kill him immediately as he is a sitting duck, in response to him trying to kill Bazza.

0:18 - End  Bazza gets into the Police car to steal it, gets in absolutely fine and moves it slightly back before pressing F accidentally instead of his seatbelt key. This is when the officer decides to lock his car while dying on the floor. Immediately we lose our cool and regrettably break RP due to the officers sarcastic tone "I'm not dead mate!! I'm hurt!", almost as if he knew what he was doing is totally unrealistic and against RP. As I said we do regret breaking RP here and own up to our mistake, will do our best to make sure this doesn't happen again, hopefully you can understand.

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We've had numerous great encounters with the police and the community, especially with lads like Will_J22 (who unfortunately left the LSPD recently 😞 ). As I mentioned, you we're the one that decided to avoid further RP in this situation by not valuing your life and going for the certain death route. 

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There is even a report up right now from the police for this exact thing only someone trying to escape from 4 armed police as opposed to 3 armed robbers, why is it different when its the other side of the coin? Hypocrisy at it's finest unfortunately.



Pretty much sums up our pov, the other lads don't have forum accounts as far as i'm aware but if you want them to respond I can speak to them tomorrow.

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As a senior police officer, or "community leader" we'd point you towards these rules mate.

[SIZE=medium](G1.7) Community leaders - Players who are business owners, organisation leaders or high ranking police officers/NHS personnel. These players should be a leading source of quality story lines and consistently strong roleplayers. Thus will be held to a higher standard under our rules and guidelines.[/SIZE]

(G2.4) Value of Life - At all times you are to value your life, if you are clearly outnumbered or at an obvious disadvantage you should comply with demands.

(G4.4) When you are revived/downed:please be mindful that you are heavily injured and should act accordingly, you were downed and have lost the fight, you will not recover instantly.

 
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The rules state 
(G1.2)
Random Death Match (RDM) - Attacking another player without engaging in any form of quality roleplay is considered RDM. (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. “Put your hands up or I will shoot” and countdowns are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering violence.) - Permanent ban.

I do not see anywhere that you attempted to create an interesting roleplay story. You went straight to violence from less than 1 seconds after you talk to me. I do not see this as any kind of roleplay, a staff member can correct me otherwise. 

As for locking my car. you could have got the keys off my body, or any other attempt. I was not dead and i am sure my finger could still move on my key fob. considering the matter in which our interaction has occurred and considering how our interaction been in the last few days I decided to lock the vehicle to not reward you for this shooting. 
Yes I could have acted more injured which was a fault on my part but I still have the keys to my vehicle.

I was also annoyed that you seem straight to pointing out the rules of making me comply 

(G1.5) Powergaming - Forcing a scenario where no matter the roleplay of the other party you will win. Example: Roleplaying superpowers, roleplaying fatal injuries when they were only minor to avoid roleplaying with the emergency services, sealing buildings with cars to prevent entrance of other players, using knowledge of the rules within roleplay 

As for cutting my video I cut the video where you could see my Teamspeak window which on request i can show any staff member but i do not want that information to be public. 

You and your group have been doing this for the last few days you shoot as soon as possible and terrorising the police with these actions. This is not the first time you have done this with absolutely no regards for roleplay but only to win a hostage.

You make no attempt to show your numbers but shoot from you vehicles all I could see i one gun pointed at me, the decision to run was based upon one weapon. I cannot see behind me or through the tints you have. If you had bother talking before pointing weapons this might have gone differently but shooting first is what we have encountered from you in multiple days. 

 
I do not see anywhere that you attempted to create an interesting roleplay story. You went straight to violence from less than 1 seconds after you talk to me. I do not see this as any kind of roleplay, a staff member can correct me otherwise. 
How do you suggest we create "an interesting roleplay story" when you instantly attempted to go full-suicidal and drive off into our gang member, attempting to kill him? We killed you after you tried to kill our bazza, no attempt to kill you was made previous to that, thus why you hear me say "kill him" in the video after you hit bazza. We were shooting to take out your tyres as we agreed upon before approaching you, our main goal was to take an armed officer hostage.

As for locking my car. you could have got the keys off my body, or any other attempt. I was not dead and i am sure my finger could still move on my key fob. considering the matter in which our interaction has occurred and considering how our interaction been in the last few days I decided to lock the vehicle to not reward you for this shooting. Yes I could have acted more injured which was a fault on my part but I still have the keys to my vehicle.
So you think the first thing an armed officer would do after being shot several times is use their key FOB to lock their vehicle, as opposed to trying to call for help, plead with the assailants or make any attempt to interact other than sarcastic comments? You also admit you decided to lock your vehicle out of spite due to you being upset that you were shot, i'm glad you atleast admit that you were wrong, hopefully this won't happen next time you fail to value your life.

I was also annoyed that you seem straight to pointing out the rules of making me comply (G1.5) Powergaming - Forcing a scenario where no matter the roleplay of the other party you will win. Example: Roleplaying superpowers, roleplaying fatal injuries when they were only minor to avoid roleplaying with the emergency services, sealing buildings with cars to prevent entrance of other players, using knowledge of the rules within roleplay 
I'm pointing out the rules after the fact, in a false report on a forum thread. There is nothing to prove that we were thinking like that at the time, it's a fact that you were massively outnumbered whether you claim to have known it or not. The facts are this, you were told not to move your car or you'd be shot, multiple times, you began to move your car so we opened fire intending to damage your vehicle, you smashed Bazza off his bike into a wall attempting to kill him, and you were shot because of it.

Explain how powergaming applies to that situation at all? If we had deviously planned and said "If we surround him he has to comply, due to rule G1.5!!" then it would be different, we blocked you in as it is tactically sound, allowing you no exit besides the suicidal reverse maneuver you elected to take. Now after the fact we can clearly see that the no value for life rule applies, even though we were not considering it at the time.

You and your group have been doing this for the last few days you shoot as soon as possible and terrorising the police with these actions. This is not the first time you have done this with absolutely no regards for roleplay but only to win a hostage.
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You have no evidence of this, no other reports have been made, and you are saying this purely to bolster your case even though nothing has been provided to show that this is the case. Please stick to the facts, it doesn't look great on your part mate. We play on a roleplay server for a single reason, we bloody love it. Win or lose, you just seem to be taking it personally that our roleplay currently is mainly anti-police, maybe judge us after you've had an actual interaction with us instead of a firefight due to you deciding not to comply, we're decent lads and we take pride in having fun RP.

As for cutting my video I cut the video where you could see my Teamspeak window which on request i can show any staff member but i do not want that information to be public. 
Uh-huh.

You make no attempt to show your numbers but shoot from you vehicles all I could see i one gun pointed at me, the decision to run was based upon one weapon. I cannot see behind me or through the tints you have. If you had bother talking before pointing weapons this might have gone differently but shooting first is what we have encountered from you in multiple days. 
My E series Merc does not have tinted windows, as shown by the video. You just didn't take the time to look or are being disingenuous about it, still doesn't take away from the point that you attempted to kill Bazza on his bike. The second point is moot, for example;

"If you had bother talking before pointing weapons this might have gone differently but shooting first is what we have encountered from you in multiple days. "

"If you had bother talking instead of running away from 3 guys with guns pointed at you this might have gone differently but not valuing your life is what we have encountered from you in multiple days. "

The fact you finish it off with more Hearsay speaks to the strength of your argument. 

We've proven our RP on this server to countless, countless people. The vast majority of which have enjoyed their time with us,  you merely gave us no option but to kill you after trying to kill Bazza unfortunately, as i said before I hope you think about things more when this happens again. I also hope you take a look at how you conduct yourself as a community leader, and the kind of impression you give of yourself on the forums in threads like these, pettiness isn't a great look.

 
I did not even see the bike as you can see from my POV. My problem is not why you kept shooting but why you should not have shot at all.
I shall respond if staff requires me to.

 
I did not even see the bike as you can see from my POV. My problem is not why you kept shooting but why you should not have shot at all.
I shall respond if staff requires me to.
You didn't see the bike, you didn't see more than one gun, you didn't see 3 people.. What did you see? We had every right to try and disable your vehicle as you did not comply with our simple demands when faced with 3 people aiming firearms at you, claiming you didn't see it with no evidence doesn't change the fact that it is what happened.

From our perspective you ignored our demands, tried to escape and tried to kill our friend by crushing him with your car into a wall. There was no RDM. Saying you "didn't see anything" isn't a valid argument, it was all there, plain as day.

Seems like you're slowly admitting this was a mistake on your part, progress I guess.

 
Your report is currently being reviewed, Please be patient while the evidence is reviewed

Please keep checking this report regularly just in case the reviewing staff member has any questions

Thank you for your report and you doing your part to keep our community clean!

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Okey im going to make this one fast.

Bazzer Hudini 250 and Teodor Hudini 248 i honestly do not care who said it however calling someone a Retard should never be done no matter the intention.

now you wrote the next 

As for using the word "retard", whats the issue? I don't see any mention of it or any other words (other than racism, obviously) not being allowed on https://www.roleplay.co.uk/gtarprules/?
if you are going to quote our rules then atleast try your hardest to actually name it all as in the community rules it states the next.

"(1.2) Do not express discriminatory or otherwise offensive views. This is no place for racism, religious hatred, ageism, sexism, homophobia, gender or disability discrimination. - Permanent ban."

Now wont you say that calling someone a Retard would be disability discrimination ?

Heading onto telling people the next "see you on the forums" yet again a rule was broken ..........

[SIZE=medium]"(2.8) Threats to report / disputes / Breaking RP in Voice. There are so many people on the server with all different points of view and disputes and disagreements are all part of the game, however please do not discuss them in-game also do not break RP in voice. For example if someone has RDM’ed you discussing this on the server or saying “I am going to report you” is not allowed. Please use the forums or teamspeak to report or discuss only. Exception: You may contact someone using the text system if they are not on teamspeak or on the forums. Please only attempt to make this contact in effort to resolve the issue, not to antagonise the other player/users/members."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]now i know this one isnt listed on the GTA rules page however it most certainly is on in the general rules (soon tm)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]You guys also decided to go and break roleplay by shouting "its against the server rules" come on guys you have been here for longer and you should know better.[/SIZE]

then on towards the next.

the roleplay provided by the hudini's was poor and not sufficient enough to start shooting therefre im going to see this as RDM.

(G1.2) Random Death Match (RDM) - Attacking another player without engaging in any form of quality roleplay is considered RDM. (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. “Put your hands up or I will shoot” and countdowns are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering violence.) - Permanent ban.

So as im reading this above you guys have broken 3 rules so far of witch 2 are Perm bannable because of this reason im going to be perm banning both of you.

Bazzer Hudini 250: Perm banned G.1.2 & community rules 1.2.

Teodor Hudini 248: Perm banned G.1.2 & Community rules 1.2.

Now going to @DCC Greenhalgh 8181 

The Key fob system is not meant to be used when downed yet this is a un intentional feature which is awaiting a dev fix DO NOT DO THIS AGAIN.

this could also be seen as the next:

"(G4.4) When you are revived/downed:

You may not actively enter or continue any combat situation for the next 10 minutes.
Your character retains all knowledge of the time before they are downed.
While you are downed you may not divulge tactical information to anyone. 
Please be mindful that you are heavily injured and should act accordingly, you were downed and have lost the fight, you will not recover instantly.
You are in medical custody until an NHS Medic releases you."


Next to this you where clearly outnumbered and at a mayor disadvantage: 

(G2.4) Value of Life - At all times you are to value your life, if you are clearly outnumbered or at an obvious disadvantage you should comply with demands.

Eventough they where in the from and didnt provide any quality roleplay this shouldnt mean you are allowed to break a rule yourself.

Greenhalgh will be recieving a warning for the above mentioned.

Quick summery:

Ash Hudini: Perm ban  appeal as normal no cooldown.

Bazzer Hudini: Perm ban appeal as normal no cooldown.

Greenhalgh: Warning placed and awaiting dev fix 

 
Thank you for doing your part in keeping the community clean.

Your report has been approved and action has been taken against the reported player.

If you are out of pocket due to this case please now open a compensation request here, Do make sure to mention this report.

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