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Report a Player - (AMW)Rob Roberts - Other (Denied)

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Alex Daland

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Oslo, Norway
Your In-game name

Hank Chinowski

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

(AMW)Rob Roberts

Date of the incident

04/29/2017

Time of the incident (GMT)

2030

What best describes this incident ?

Other

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

Allright, this was the day in good ol'Hankies life. I woke up and got in my car thinking I was going to see if I might be able to see Eval betty's wedding. I heard the government might be issuing a half price sales soon, so I stopped by the motorshop. Where two "gentleman" with rifles, black clothes and a black SUV comes out and robs me. One of the men was masked. I complied with the robbers, they insulted my age, saying that I shouldn't be out in the streets at all. I knew I had no chance of resisting, but decided then and there to take revenge on these hooligans if I found them again.

I drove like a maniac home, got a gun, and went back to scouting them. While I was looking for the robbers in the same area, the motor shop, the altis gods took me to the center of kavala for some minutes, as they do some times<<server restart>>, I woke up, jumped straight in my car and figured robbers use the same technique again and again if it works once.... And lo and behold, I was right and saw a heavily armed man in a mask, carrying the exact same MO, in the same black SUV. With a friend dressed exactly like they both did when they robbed me earlier, even in the middle of robbing some other innocent citizen the same way as myself... I had a gun in my belt, I am an old man, but an old marine. Now I'm a dead old marine. I never saw or heard anything from the friend, but right before I was brutally murdered, my gopro seems to record the dead guy saying I can't do this, whatever he meant by that.

//As I said "in RP": was robbed, went back looking for them, server restart, had a bit of problems connecting imideatly cause of some troubles with my mic, but went straight back and continued on my RP quest, which was to find and kill the punks that robbed me. I purposly chose the same car as to be more RP. Old men with guns have long grudges :)

The guy I shot wanted me to come to ts, which I did, even asked them to confirm the room, after 5 minutes of nobody else coming to the channel while I re-read the rules to make sure I hadn't broken any, I got a message from a friend player saying these guys are always out robbing, and tries to get compensation for every little thing that doesn't go they're way, and I remembered that the same gang have tried that with me on at least one earlier ocation. (I'm not saying it's the same player(s) though)

Then I plainly said in the side chat that I wasn't going to wait anymore, and that he should report me if he is sure as I felt I didn't brake any rules, and couldn't find which rules that said I did. He then stated a couple of times that I didn't have to "believe anything" cause I obviously did, and that he would take this further. Again I told him to please do, as I wanted an admin to weigh in on this, me being the first to apologise if I did.

There is two reasons for my report now, one that I feel that this is very "baiting" after compensation, after reading the rules an extra time, I still can not find anywhere that says I'm breaking a rule. But in the video he is clearly talking about "server rules", given very shortly, if that was the bullet ending the conversation is ofc speculation both ways. But I guess a lot of other players would pay 200K or whatever in-game to avoid spending the time I'm doing now.

The other reason, is just that, I just spent quite some time re-reading all the rules making a video, and writing my "defence", to make sure I didn't get in any trouble, as I've never been banned, and don't want to start now. But no report ever came from him, so that was an hour of my life wasted on him threatening a report.

I believe he was in violation of §2.8 and purposly misunderstanding/ignoring §5.2 that clearly states that NLR does not apply after restart and then not writing the report and/or read the rules himself. I gave him plenty of time to come back in the side chat after reading the rules, but he didn't, and he didn't. So clearly, HE knew it wasn't a breach.

BTW, I'm not 100% on the time, as I can't find any timestamps in the video

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOy4BX6uXh8&feature=youtu.be
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

Alex Daland said:
This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes
I of course mean "no". It is not a revenge report. (trick question with that sentence really..)

 
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I dont know if your being serious, but you straight up RDM'd my friend Rob whilst we were rping with others, you realise this?

 
I dont know if your being serious, but you straight up RDM'd my friend Rob whilst we were rping with others, you realise this?
I am being very serious. I can not see how me killing your friend was RDM. But please do elaborate why this was RDM. That's what these reports are for right? I was waiting for your friend to report me for RDM as he clearly also felt it was... I told him to please do that, and we could have an admin way in on what is, and what isn't. That report never came, so now I'm doing it, because I still would like and admin to say if I was in the wrong or not.

If "the gods" decide I was wrong, again, I am the first to apologize. 

 
I am being very serious. I can not see how me killing your friend was RDM. But please do elaborate why this was RDM. That's what these reports are for right? I was waiting for your friend to report me for RDM as he clearly also felt it was... I told him to please do that, and we could have an admin way in on what is, and what isn't. That report never came, so now I'm doing it, because I still would like and admin to say if I was in the wrong or not.

If "the gods" decide I was wrong, again, I am the first to apologize. 




 
Well we robbed you about 1-2 hours prior. (could be wrong, sorry if my memory fails me)

In that space of time, you would need to initiate on Rob again to start RP on you getting revenge on robbing him, which is fair enough and would have been fun to RP that scenario in game.

If this wasnt the case, i could imagine alot of deaths over people dying due to people remembering they robbed them along time ago and just opening fire(as you did here), and just would not be fair.

 
1-2 hours? That is impossible mate, the server restarts at 20:00GMT, and while I don't have any timestamps in my video. I drove back to my house when you guys let me go, got into the house, got a gun, drove back, hid my car and went to try and find you. Server restart - I fiddle with my mic, whilst watching Eval betty's LIVE show as you can hear in the background me turning of when I finally are able to log on, and then DIRECTLY going to find your friend.

Your memory is not that off mate, you are a young man. So that I plainly don't believe. As I said, I originally logged on the server to go see Eval betty's twitch wedding. And as I'm sure he will put out his video in a couple of days, we can probably see exactly on the second in that video when you guys robbed me the first time, and when your friend died. It was >1 hours, 110% sure.

I also assume the servers log time of "Hank was robbed" and "hank killed", so this should be easy to prove.

Alex Daland said:
Your memory is not that off mate, you are a young man. So that I plainly don't believe.
I retract this, IF you as you said have been robbing people for two hours, you guys might have robbed so many people that you get confused on who you robbed at what time.. :) 

 
I'm just confused, you went to all the effort of RPing, getting the same car out and stuff, but just opened fire on us.

Confused.

 
I'm just confused, you went to all the effort of RPing, getting the same car out and stuff, but just opened fire on us.
My plan was definitely more elaborate, was thinking of hiding in the second floor of the motor shop and wait for you guys to rob someone else or a good moment to sneak up on you, but when I saw you the second I turned the corner, I saw my opportunity to get swift revenge. I honestly was thinking you were hiding around the other corner, that's why you see me aiming that way.

For that I do semi-apologize, as I as well would have had more fun kidnapping one of you or something like that. And just to be clear; I'm not in any way angry or anything irl, this part of the game's limitations on not being and RP game. I consider myself new to the island, and totally new to RP (if not counting pre-computers rp :p ), so I want to be sure I'm following the rules properly, so now I'm looking for clarification, not "punishment" or trying to be a di**

 
My plan was definitely more elaborate, was thinking of hiding in the second floor of the motor shop and wait for you guys to rob someone else or a good moment to sneak up on you, but when I saw you the second I turned the corner, I saw my opportunity to get swift revenge. I honestly was thinking you were hiding around the other corner, that's why you see me aiming that way.

For that I do semi-apologize, as I as well would have had more fun kidnapping one of you or something like that. And just to be clear; I'm not in any way angry or anything irl, this part of the game's limitations on not being and RP game. I consider myself new to the island, and totally new to RP (if not counting pre-computers rp :p ), so I want to be sure I'm following the rules properly, so now I'm looking for clarification, not "punishment" or trying to be a di**




 
I understand that, but instead of filing a report to get clarification, you/we could and should have gone to the staff support channel.

 
I dont get what you are even trying to report me for, i didnt break any rule. I have 24 hours to create a report so maybe you should go read the rules, the time between us robbing you and you shooting me in the back was a lot longer than the active gun fight time.

 
All i see in this video is you rdming me 22 minutes into the server but you say it was directly after restart, you even say youve been "waiting a long time", You also metagamed my name by seeing me robbing people and then using that information to go to where i robbed you and also you said my name but I have never told you. I had a mask on aswell so i could have been anyone. We kept asking you to come and were waiting but then when you eventually came we were busy playing not knowing you were there.

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I dont get what you are even trying to report me for, i didnt break any rule.


Let me rephrase, I would like the community to get clarification on what the admins think


I believe he was in violation of §2.8 and purposly misunderstanding/ignoring §5.2 that clearly states that NLR does not apply after restart and then not writing the report and/or read the rules himself. I gave him plenty of time to come back in the side chat after reading the rules, but he didn't, and he didn't. So clearly, HE knew it wasn't a breach.
I respectfully disagree, I think I've been pretty clear on why I'm reporting this. And while you do of course have 24 hours to make the report, and I wouldn't mind if you did, or do now if you want. I just felt that while I was not in any violation, you, in my opinion, clearly was breaking §2.8 by talking about "what is allowed and not". While I personally don't really care as I understand it probably wasn't intentional to brake RP and slipped out, I feel you guys are nitpicking what's RDM.

In my head, the robbery was juuust within what's acceptable in regards to RP *wam bam, knocked out and letting me live*, and then you directly go to "RDM!" level in sidechat before my character could even say one word about why you got shot... Sorry mate.. I feel I was "rp wize" 100% just in both the game, and this report. Now I'm at a party discussing rp on my phone, so I think it's best to leave it at this and let the admins have their judgement when they can.

 
You also metagamed my name by seeing me robbing people and then using that information to go to where i robbed you and also you said my name but I have never told you.
If I could control what comes on my screen I would mate, that is just ridiculous, I literally logged on and that message was on the screen WHEN my character came onlnine. If your RP robbers, hint; robbers in real life would also change location between robberies, normally they would flee 5km away from the area between each robbery. That you are useless robbers, that's really not my problem.

As you can see from the spawn point I choose RIGHT after I was robbed, can guess where I was heading..... not to the copper fields with my HEMMT BOX.. but with a loaded gun, remember, you stole my gun, so I had to procure a new one, If 22 minutes was the time, and you robbed me 5 minutes before server restart, that is 27 minutes. 27 minutes with the same robbers, with the same guns, same mask, and same car... I was very sure I shot the same man that robbed me 27 minutes ago. 

If I shot both you guys when you robbed me instead of you managing to rob me, and you survived, I wouldn't be surprised if I met two very angry rebels 27 minutes later that  playing session who recognized same face, same car, same clothes and same gun and lit me up. Even if it was in another city, I would assume you had chased me down. You assumed the second the shot was fired that "THIS IS RDM".

Oh and btw, at no point did I mention your name. Not once...

"You just shot a robber" 

"yeah I know a shot a robber, he robbed me"

*BANG BANG* I'm dead.

NOW I'm really done commenting any more on this until an admin wants me to. Have a good weekend :) 

 
I respectfully disagree, I think I've been pretty clear on why I'm reporting this. And while you do of course have 24 hours to make the report, and I wouldn't mind if you did, or do now if you want. I just felt that while I was not in any violation, you, in my opinion, clearly was breaking §2.8 by talking about "what is allowed and not". While I personally don't really care as I understand it probably wasn't intentional to brake RP and slipped out, I feel you guys are nitpicking what's RDM.

In my head, the robbery was juuust within what's acceptable in regards to RP *wam bam, knocked out and letting me live*, and then you directly go to "RDM!" level in sidechat before my character could even say one word about why you got shot... Sorry mate.. I feel I was "rp wize" 100% just in both the game, and this report. Now I'm at a party discussing rp on my phone, so I think it's best to leave it at this and let the admins have their judgement when they can.




 
Mate if you dont personally care, why would you bother to report him?

 
I just felt that while I was not in any violation, you, in my opinion, clearly was breaking §2.8 by talking about "what is allowed and not". While I personally don't really care as I understand it probably wasn't intentional to brake RP and slipped out, I feel you guys are nitpicking what's RDM
You are reporting me for this when all I said was "why did you shoot me" and "how long ago was that" about me robbing you.

Also from my videos the time was about 40 minutes between us robbing you and you rdming me

 
Mate if you dont personally care, why would you bother to report him?
What I meant was that I don't personally care in the way that I'm not upset or angry about it.

I do care about what the guys creating/enforcing the rules thinks about RDM, timeframes, and on what is ok after being robbed in terms of revenge murder.

Hank seldom engage in gunfights as I prefer to sell guns and live in the shadows. Revenge is best served cold though, so this is hardly the first time I've spent time chasing down robbers. But if the admins say that what I did was wrong, then I'll have to accept that and change my ways next time I get robbed, or else, I'll happily execute the next robber as well :) 

(now half the living room is watching my screen instead of partying, I feel like a terrible friend :p See you guys tomorrow here or in-game, no hard feelings) 

You are reporting me for this when all I said was "why did you shoot me" and "how long ago was that" about me robbing you.

Also from my videos the time was about 40 minutes between us robbing you and you rdming me
You wanted to report me for less...? 

 
To be perfectly clear, I am reporting you for wasting my time insisting on that I broke rules. Which I after some time figured out I did not. But being as I said a new player, that haven't been reported before, I wanted to make sure I did things correctly. That time I'd rather spend continue playing, not nitpicking minutes... So then I wanted an answer to it publicly so there is no doubt. Wasting my time on a "lol" post doesn't really help me seeing that you are trying to be an adult about it either, tbh.

Good night

 
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