Report a Player - aj.mar10, other - Poor/Low Quality RP (Rejected)

[Ant]

Your In-game name

Eban Ebanovich Ebanov

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

aj.mar10, other (Humzah?)

Date of the incident

10/08/2017

Time of the incident (GMT)

1540

What best describes this incident ?

Poor/Low Quality RP

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

We see a lone rebel in Zaros while we're on a chase to find who was breaking into a house of ours/ We begin chasing him, jokingly roleplaying with him and asking him to stop so that we can talk with him. For more than a minute, we attempt to roleplay with him but get nothing back, until eventually we reach a tower which the man claims belongs to his gang. Following this, we receive the most unenthusiastic initiation I've heard in a while and then are shot from every angle.

The issues I have with this are:
Where was the roleplay before? We try as much as we can with him but only recieve an initiation from him (referring to this: https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/95588-the-state-of-roleplay-and-“initiations”/?page=1). I don't know who the initiatior was however this is also an issue with aj.mar10 as he is the first person to shoot, therefore deciding that everything was within the bounds of the rules beforehand. I'd like to ask them, again taken from the thread I linked just beforehand, "have you engaged in high quality roleplay before you shot him?", the answer to which I think is a resounding no.
The next problem I have is, again, with the initiator - he clearly wasn't hotmicing tactical information as all of his friends were setup by the time he began his initiation. I expect to hear some excuses for this like "they were already on their way" or "I called them when I saw you coming" but I guess only time will tell. This is in violation of rule 3.5, stating that any information given over teamspeak that could influence the course of roleplay must also be repeated in game.

I don't have the name of the man who was in the tower, however I'm sure Alex Jackson would be more than happy to reveal who it was, or perhaps the member of staff reviewing this report will be able to recognize the voice - some people have said that it may have been Humzah but I don't want to accuse him of doing anything without proof or a statement from the people involved.

A very interesting roleplay situation could have come out of this, however that was sadly not the case nor their intentions, something that the announcement post I was hoping would resolve.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wC-IEUvKmo
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Alex Jackson]

1:21 "He owns the tower boys go get bolt cutters we're gonna break into this shit". You were made aware of what you were getting yourself into twice, were given easily over 15 seconds to make a decision, you were even informed surrendering would be putting your hands up. You didn't. He had a gun on his back whilst you chased him so you knew he was a threat, you were told he had friends that were ready to shoot you. You were entering OUR property, literally trespassing which was our reason for initiating in the first place and before you say trespassing isn't "roleplay" take a look at Area 51. You know exactly what you were getting yourselves into and you continued to linger around. If this is what is considered report worthy I have no clue anymore.

TL;DR You entered private property - therefore trespassing, were given more than enough chance to leave and didn't. I don't see what level of "interesting situation" could have come when you wanted to break into our property. You began the hostility in the situation when you decided you wanted to break in.

As for your accusations on the breach of rule 3.5, the call was made whilst you were still all in the heli - not when you were chasing him.

 

[Ant]

1:21 "He owns the tower boys go get bolt cutters we're gonna break into this shit". You were made aware of what you were getting yourself into twice, were given easily over 15 seconds to make a decision, you were even informed surrendering would be putting your hands up. You didn't. He had a gun on his back whilst you chased him so you knew he was a threat, you were told he had friends that were ready to shoot you. You were entering OUR property, literally trespassing which was our reason for initiating in the first place and before you say trespassing isn't "roleplay" take a look at Area 51. You know exactly what you were getting yourselves into and you continued to linger around. If this is what is considered report worthy I have no clue anymore.

I'm sure you understand exactly what this post is talking about when it says "have you engaged in high quality roleplay before you shot him?". He has a whole minute to say something interesting to us while we're chasing him up the hill attempting to roleplay with him, yet he completely discards any chance of roleplay and goes straight to initiation. If you're encouraging this type of behavior as a staff member then it tells us so much about the state and quality of the server at the moment.

As for your accusations on the breach of rule 3.5, the call was made whilst you were still all in the heli - not when you were chasing him.

I find that hard to believe, would I be right to assume that none of you are running plays.tv?

 

[Alex Jackson]

I'm sure you understand exactly what this post is talking about when it says "have you engaged in high quality roleplay before you shot him?". He has a whole minute to say something interesting to us while we're chasing him up the hill attempting to roleplay with him, yet he completely discards any chance of roleplay and goes straight to initiation. If you're encouraging this type of behavior as a staff member then it tells us so much about the state and quality of the server at the moment.

I find that hard to believe, would I be right to assume that none of you are running plays.tv?

Here is the video that you don't believe exists:

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He has a whole minute to say something interesting? You were the ones chasing him, you wanted to break into OUR property, that is the point that you decided "we don't want this to be passive". You were asked to leave, and you didn't.

 

[Ant]

1 hour ago, Alex Jackson said:

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Fair enough, perhaps he did call backup during that part - I'd find it very hard to believe that he did not communicate to you at all while he was being chased up towards the tower, however, so request a video of that as well. If that can be provided, then I'm willing to renounce my claim of the man who I believe to be Humzah (can you confirm that as well please?) breaking rule 3.5.

The fail-RP issue is the most important one here, however, and I believe that me and you clearly disagree on what the announcement was meant to accomplish. Our intentions, initially, were not to break into the property but rather to get this man into restraints - we had no idea the property was until he runs into the tower and begins to initiate on us. Our initial intentions are obvious, I will not deny that - we attempt to seize this man so that we can rob him/question him - because of this announcement made recently, and the minimum standard of roleplay that we as a gang wish to give, we attempt to roleplay with him before going into an initiation saying something along the lines of "put your hands up or you will be shot". Without this announcement, we would have been fully capable of just going straight into that without at least attempting to create a half decent roleplay scenario. On the other hand, when the person decides to initiate, he doesn't even permit himself a sentence of roleplay before initiation is made - he doesn't try to roleplay. That is the core issue at heart here.

 

[Alex Jackson]

Fair enough, perhaps he did call backup during that part - I'd find it very hard to believe that he did not communicate to you at all while he was being chased up towards the tower, however, so request a video of that as well. If that can be provided, then I'm willing to renounce my claim of the man who I believe to be Humzah (can you confirm that as well please?) breaking rule 3.5.

The fail-RP issue is the most important one here, however, and I believe that me and you clearly disagree on what the announcement was meant to accomplish. Our intentions, initially, were not to break into the property but rather to get this man into restraints - we had no idea the property was until he runs into the tower and begins to initiate on us. Our initial intentions are obvious, I will not deny that - we attempt to seize this man so that we can rob him/question him - because of this announcement made recently, and the minimum standard of roleplay that we as a gang wish to give, we attempt to roleplay with him before going into an initiation saying something along the lines of "put your hands up or you will be shot". Without this announcement, we would have been fully capable of just going straight into that without at least attempting to create a half decent roleplay scenario. On the other hand, when the person decides to initiate, he doesn't even permit himself a sentence of roleplay before initiation is made - he doesn't try to roleplay. That is the core issue at heart here.

I understand your views, but should not be an issue here. Your idea of trying to roleplay with him is telling him to stop - the effort from both sides was equal and there should not be a problem. For you to report me for this realistically I should report you guys for the same reason - little RP (saying stop running) and instantly resulting to breaking into the tower, but because that is not a rulebreak, I wouldn't, which is why I don't understand why this report is going forward. If you had an issue you aren't forced to, but you had the chance to consult me. I'm a generally reasonable person to talk to and I'm sure this could have been sorted out and discussed without it having to go to this, but I understand your views. Unfortunately, I don't have a video of the latter part of the situation, generally because my recordings are 2 minutes long and because I didn't believe this was an issue until the report was filed.

 

[Ant]

Your idea of trying to roleplay with him is telling him to stop - the effort from both sides was equal and there should not be a problem.

I have to disagree. That's a very simple way to put it however yes, we are trying to tell him to stop, something we try for for a solid minute. The effort was not equal, as we don't get a single word back from him - there is no roleplay from him, therefore there is a problem in my eyes. 

For you to report me for this realistically I should report you guys for the same reason - little RP (saying stop running) and instantly resulting to breaking into the tower, but because that is not a rulebreak, I wouldn't, which is why I don't understand why this report is going forward.

This point really confuses me. You are saying that my point is similar to what we are doing, but they are two completely different things: What we are attempting is roleplay before an initiation is made, what he is attempting is straight up initiation with no effort to roleplay at a decent standard. 

If you had an issue you aren't forced to, but you had the chance to consult me.

You are right. I considered it, however for multiple reasons I decided not to and this report has gone up.

Unfortunately, I don't have a video of the latter part of the situation, generally because my recordings are 2 minutes long and because I didn't believe this was an issue until the report was filed.

This part I just find hard to believe - you decided record that tiny section but not anything after? You say you didn't record the rest because you didn't think it was an issue, therefore you are implying what you recorded was an issue? Either your lying here (and have cause to do so), or I'm being very rude when accusing you of that and you happened to not record a vital part of the situation. I guess we'll let the admins decide.

 

[Alex Jackson]

I have to disagree. That's a very simple way to put it however yes, we are trying to tell him to stop, something we try for for a solid minute. The effort was not equal, as we don't get a single word back from him - there is no roleplay from him, therefore there is a problem in my eyes. 

This point really confuses me. You are saying that my point is similar to what we are doing, but they are two completely different things: What we are attempting is roleplay before an initiation is made, what he is attempting is straight up initiation with no effort to roleplay at a decent standard. 

You are right. I considered it, however for multiple reasons I decided not to and this report has gone up.

This part I just find hard to believe - you decided record that tiny section but not anything after? You say you didn't record the rest because you didn't think it was an issue, therefore you are implying what you recorded was an issue? Either your lying here (and have cause to do so), or I'm being very rude when accusing you of that and you happened to not record a vital part of the situation. I guess we'll let the admins decide.

I chopped the video from 2:00 to 16 seconds as the prior 1:44 is us talking about us leaving the police, I'd be happy to show it to the staff lead who deals with it if it's necessary, but it's not my job as the reported to provide the video, it's your job. In a report, the reported can supply a video, but do not have to. I've shown you a video proving what I said to be true, yet you're not satisfied and want me to produce a video out of thin air that doesn't exist. That snippet was the end of my video, I had that not for the sake of being reported, but to prove Humzah got comped by the UNMC for a previous situation, it just so happens that this video aids mine & his side, shadowplay only saves my last two minutes when i press it.

 

[LONG BEARD]

As this report involves a member of the staff team, it will be reviewed by a staff lead. 

 

[Ram]

Alex jackson is removed from the staff and he is now community banned.
Awaiting staff member to make a decision on this report.

 

[Xkan]

Report Rejected due to both Alex Jackson and Humzah already being community banned.  

Report would have otherwise been actioned against Humzah for Baiting/Poor low quality roleplay. 
Humzah had plenty of opportunities to give good roleplay but decided to give unrealistic demands and force a gunfight.