Report a Player - [A] Cobra the OG - Poor/Low Quality RP & RDM(Report Rejected)

[Alex Jackson]

Your In-game name

Pvt. Alex Jackson [UNMC]

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

[A] Cobra the OG

Date of the incident

05/17/2017

Time of the incident (GMT)

1837

What best describes this incident ?

Poor/Low Quality RP

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

So we were at Agios fuel, just stopping off to get some fuel and a bit of roleplay with a hobo at which point one of our house alarm goes off and we are informed via the in-game system that his home is being robbed. Naturally, we began to get inside the helicopter which was on standby next to us and we took off towards the house. Once we had arrived, I ejected from the bench of the heli and said "Sir could you please step outside of that fine helicopter or I will have to pull you out the window", to which apparently I was told I wasn't convincing enough or and that I didn't seem serious as to what I wished to happen, so Eldark took lead and said "Mate, get out the f***ing helicopter now before I put a bullet right through your head". Realizing there was a friend behind bolt cutting the door, Eldark turned around and demanded his compliance too (initiated on him too), this is a complete disregard of the RDM rule.

(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).
 

It's black and white as it says it; please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting. Please note that it says nowhere that this excludes the case of when you have been initiated on.

(7.1.3) Killing someone must be carried out with high roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP.

The rule states that roleplay must be carried out to a high standard or the killing of a person(s) will be considered RDM/Fail RP. Also note that it does not mention anywhere that if you are initiated on then you are excempt from this rule and do not have to follow it.

I attempted to resolve this situation in teamspeak with a few ascension members (about 5) which seemed unnecessary considering 3 of the people in the room weren't even at the situation that followed a gunfight but never the less, I was not happy with the outcome as the situation seemed disregarded.
I enjoy roleplay, it sometimes generally makes me smile and laugh with people I've never even met and I feel that when you can't even do that it's a shame. I don't mind losing a situation, I can completely handle losing aslong as the loss was fair and roleplayed. I can accept a death if some roleplay or even a little speech is carried out like "Bad decision mate, looks like you're the next one in deaths hands", even something as plain and simple as that can change an entire opinion on someone. Eventually I was even told that this was something that regularly happened and wasn't a one off apparently 'lots of rebels' do this which was news to me.

I can't stress how common this goes on and how people just attempt to compensate people for it, if you allow someone to pay off their rule breaks with money it's essentially a free pass to break rules aslong as you hand them their money's worth back.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QPT-4SRYUQ
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[GHOSTK1LL3R]

[Posting on behalf of Cobra, he is currently forum banned]

Ghostk1ll3r will forward my replies as currently i have a warning point and am unavailable to post myself.

Firstly , this was dealt with icarus (if spelt correctly) in teamspeak, after 3 staff members were present all at once, tiktak , icarus and randomised( i believe ). Between the staff members they figured out who shall deal with this,  icarus was going to since he joined first. So icarus dealt with it at the request of Alex.  Icarus said that overall both sides could easily improve on the situation( which i agree with totally) and nothing really should proceed any further. Despite this Alex insists on getting more staff members down into the teamspeak as he is not happy with the outcome, despite telling him that a staffs word is finally and it was mentioned in the community meeting i believe that you cannot hop from one staff member to another just because you disagree with their view , hence the report since clearly comp that was offered by Tempr didnt tickle his fancy. In the end icarus told us to wrap this up as Alex was going round in circles and he had to go,

Secondly, as you can clearly see eldarkmagic’s initiation on my friend,  in the helicopter, “ get the fuck out of the helicopter now , before i put bullets through your head “ . That's the first initiation of life for my friend and me as i was there, bare in mind i was less the 20m behind them,  as i was his house. So i knew there were out to kill us as he seemed rather aggressive and wasn't really in the mood for roleplay.In your own words Alex “

It's black and white as it says it; please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting “ I must admit Eldarkmagic initiation had so much roleplay i almost jizzed my pants. Jokes aside, he went straight down the barrel and initiated on life.  Eldarkmagic then later turns round on me and initiates , so that's 2 initiations at this point, i shoot and kill him. Since they have threatened our life twice now.You also once again in your words count that as initiation “  Eldark turned around and demanded his compliance too (initiated on him too) “ .  

Because i was bolt cutting the house it was important for me to cancel the animation and pull my gun out as  otherwise i would of been massively disadvantage.The house was fully upgraded level 4 so i knew there was obviously a lot of expensive things inside. He had initiated on my friend less then 20m away from me. He had then also initiated on me also.  So i shot considering these guys clearly wernt playing around and wanted harm to come our way. By Eldarkmagic’s instant initiation as soon as he was out of the helicopter it was clear to me and icarus that no roleplay of their side was going to happen.

Thirdly, Tempr , the person who eventually killed me after a fight broke out with UNMC at the location , said that if Alex wanted compensation for the gear he would personally comp him 300k which was almost double the worth of Alex’s gear. Bare in mind this isn't anything to do with Alex as he kept saying, he was doing it for eldarkmagic even though eldarkmagic showed no interest in the lost gear at all. Even though we got some gear from his house.

Fourthly, from what i've heard of staff members also , its fail roleplay to initiate on a propelled helicopter as the person flying the aircraft might not hear the initiation due the propellers spinning,  My gang personally avoids this as we believe it's a rule break but staff members can argue to differ. On the same note as rule breaks. At 30 seconds in you can clearly hear people in the teamspeak call out “ Its Ascension “ which i  personally believe it's a rule break,

(4.1) Side Chat - Using intelligence gained on side chat to influence actions in game. Punishment is a kick/ban.

They clearly used the information in side chat of so and so was killed by [A] Cobra the OG, to then shout in teamspeak that its “ Ascension “ which clearly can give them an advantage as they know how are roleplay/combat is, which can help in the preparation for the fight .  Which once again Alex disagreed with saying it happens all the time. I know personally i take that as metagame. Alex argued that we were nit picking at the situation when this was mentioned and got rather defensive.

Lastly you say this “ I can't stress how common this goes on and how people just attempt to compensate people for it, if you allow someone to pay off their rule breaks with money it's essentially a free pass to break rules aslong as you hand them their money's worth back. “  I haven't fought with the UNMC is well over a month of the top of my head. So for you to be taking out your anger on me, because of all the other situations that has happened to you,  is personally i think very unfair. I shouldn't be held accountable for everyone else's actions only my own. In situations like this it's best for both parties to take it on the chin and learn from it. UNMC even congratulated us on the good gun fight we managed to hold against superior numbers and actually enjoyed it. Considering Eldarkmagic never raised any concerns with the situation i think that proves that it was good fun.

Overall , i agree things could've been a lot better on both sides, Had you guys not been so aggressive in the initial encounter then roleplay definitely could've taken place. Properly the outcome be slightly different indeed. I did what i did while factoring everything that went on in that situation.

Ontop of this your not gaining anything at all out of this , you were offered compensation , your trying to fight the frontier for eldarkmagic which as mentioned above it doesn't seem he cares what happened. I combined with icarus don't see why this report is up at all. Even icarus said he doesn't see this going far or will think anything will be done.

Thank you for your time,

-Cobra

 

[Eldarkmagic]

The roleplay was not great from both sides I think that you should have said something before just shooting though despite the inisiation I am willing to talk in TS but I do not know about Alex

"I must admit Eldarkmagic initiation had so much roleplay i almost jizzed my pants. "

it was quite spicy 

 

[Alex Jackson]

[Posting on behalf of Cobra, he is currently forum banned]

Ghostk1ll3r will forward my replies as currently i have a warning point and am unavailable to post myself.

Firstly , this was dealt with icarus (if spelt correctly) in teamspeak, after 3 staff members were present all at once, tiktak , icarus and randomised( i believe ). Between the staff members they figured out who shall deal with this,  icarus was going to since he joined first. So icarus dealt with it at the request of Alex.  Icarus said that overall both sides could easily improve on the situation( which i agree with totally) and nothing really should proceed any further. Despite this Alex insists on getting more staff members down into the teamspeak as he is not happy with the outcome, despite telling him that a staffs word is finally and it was mentioned in the community meeting i believe that you cannot hop from one staff member to another just because you disagree with their view , hence the report since clearly comp that was offered by Tempr didnt tickle his fancy. In the end icarus told us to wrap this up as Alex was going round in circles and he had to go,

Secondly, as you can clearly see eldarkmagic’s initiation on my friend,  in the helicopter, “ get the fuck out of the helicopter now , before i put bullets through your head “ . That's the first initiation of life for my friend and me as i was there, bare in mind i was less the 20m behind them,  as i was his house. So i knew there were out to kill us as he seemed rather aggressive and wasn't really in the mood for roleplay.In your own words Alex “

It's black and white as it says it; please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting “ I must admit Eldarkmagic initiation had so much roleplay i almost jizzed my pants. Jokes aside, he went straight down the barrel and initiated on life.  Eldarkmagic then later turns round on me and initiates , so that's 2 initiations at this point, i shoot and kill him. Since they have threatened our life twice now.You also once again in your words count that as initiation “  Eldark turned around and demanded his compliance too (initiated on him too) “ .  

Because i was bolt cutting the house it was important for me to cancel the animation and pull my gun out as  otherwise i would of been massively disadvantage.The house was fully upgraded level 4 so i knew there was obviously a lot of expensive things inside. He had initiated on my friend less then 20m away from me. He had then also initiated on me also.  So i shot considering these guys clearly wernt playing around and wanted harm to come our way. By Eldarkmagic’s instant initiation as soon as he was out of the helicopter it was clear to me and icarus that no roleplay of their side was going to happen.

Thirdly, Tempr , the person who eventually killed me after a fight broke out with UNMC at the location , said that if Alex wanted compensation for the gear he would personally comp him 300k which was almost double the worth of Alex’s gear. Bare in mind this isn't anything to do with Alex as he kept saying, he was doing it for eldarkmagic even though eldarkmagic showed no interest in the lost gear at all. Even though we got some gear from his house.

Fourthly, from what i've heard of staff members also , its fail roleplay to initiate on a propelled helicopter as the person flying the aircraft might not hear the initiation due the propellers spinning,  My gang personally avoids this as we believe it's a rule break but staff members can argue to differ. On the same note as rule breaks. At 30 seconds in you can clearly hear people in the teamspeak call out “ Its Ascension “ which i  personally believe it's a rule break,

(4.1) Side Chat - Using intelligence gained on side chat to influence actions in game. Punishment is a kick/ban.

They clearly used the information in side chat of so and so was killed by [A] Cobra the OG, to then shout in teamspeak that its “ Ascension “ which clearly can give them an advantage as they know how are roleplay/combat is, which can help in the preparation for the fight .  Which once again Alex disagreed with saying it happens all the time. I know personally i take that as metagame. Alex argued that we were nit picking at the situation when this was mentioned and got rather defensive.

Lastly you say this “ I can't stress how common this goes on and how people just attempt to compensate people for it, if you allow someone to pay off their rule breaks with money it's essentially a free pass to break rules aslong as you hand them their money's worth back. “  I haven't fought with the UNMC is well over a month of the top of my head. So for you to be taking out your anger on me, because of all the other situations that has happened to you,  is personally i think very unfair. I shouldn't be held accountable for everyone else's actions only my own. In situations like this it's best for both parties to take it on the chin and learn from it. UNMC even congratulated us on the good gun fight we managed to hold against superior numbers and actually enjoyed it. Considering Eldarkmagic never raised any concerns with the situation i think that proves that it was good fun.

Overall , i agree things could've been a lot better on both sides, Had you guys not been so aggressive in the initial encounter then roleplay definitely could've taken place. Properly the outcome be slightly different indeed. I did what i did while factoring everything that went on in that situation.

Ontop of this your not gaining anything at all out of this , you were offered compensation , your trying to fight the frontier for eldarkmagic which as mentioned above it doesn't seem he cares what happened. I combined with icarus don't see why this report is up at all. Even icarus said he doesn't see this going far or will think anything will be done.

Thank you for your time,

-Cobra




 




 





 

First things first, I contacted Ruthless INFO before even consulting Icarus, he just happened to be the one who dealt with it in the end. I originally spoke to INFO to get his opinion and he agreed that it had been RDM. You were upset with this because "He didn't deal with it, he didn't see the video". So I forwarded the video to him and he again, agreed given the circumstances in the video that it was RDM still.

Furthermore, you might want think about your point on the helicopters propellers because you, Cobra, were the one who shot and you, Cobra, were not inside the helicopter, you were bolt cutting the door. [A] Red was the one in the helicopter, and if you watch the video he had more than enough time to jump out and talk, yet, you took it into your own hands and decided to disregard roleplay because "if you've been initiated on, you don't have to roleplay anymore". Also like to ask you to give me the rule that states it's failrp to initiate on a heli with roters spinning, I would be surprised that there would be a rule for that considering there is earplugs for a reason to stop you from blowing your eardrums out.

On your third point, that is irrelevant and I clearly stated that this is NOT about money, I don't want your compensation as stated at the bottom!

Your fourth point, if you cared to read the rule that you quoted it, you’d realize that you it says to influence in game actions. For example if I see a CSI Joseph Tadworth while i'm a rebel, my out of character self knows that he is Joseph Tadworth, but as long as I don't target him ingame by saying something like “Hi tadworth!” or “I know you’re joseph tadworth so i'm taking you hostage!” Then no rule is broken because metagame requires action to be made otherwise we’d all be banned for knowing everyone's name in inside our heads, regardless of if you said it in game or not.

On your next point, I don’t care who it is whether is your gang, a big gang, or a small gang, it doesn’t make it right to do it. It also doesn’t mean that I’m targeting you just because I’m fed up of getting rdm’d. You’re not held accountable for everyone’s actions; you’re held accountable for your own actions and that’s what I’m currently not happy with.

You claim that I’m not gaining because I’m not getting compensation but in my opinion money isn’t compensation, it’s being able to enjoy what the community represents, everyone gains not just me.

Final point - you said "I must admit Eldarkmagic initiation had so much roleplay I almost jizzed my pants" if you hadn't realized jokes don't help your case, take this seriously, please.

I shall not be replying anymore until a staff comment is made.

 

[ZephyOG]

Since Ghostk1ll3r isn't on this late, I've asked Zephy to post my reply. Hopefully his capable of being able to format it correctly. Fingers crossed !

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Right, yes you did contact RuTHLeSS INFO before icarus came in. You messaged ruthless a few short sentences. Ruthless then give his opinion on what you had told him. Which wasnt a video , just a few words as mentioned above. It was 27 words.  I'm pretty sure with just a few sentences also i could also persuade a staff member to be in my favour. Which happens 9 times out of 10 when a helper is asked something over teamspeak about an issue. People word things in their favour without the helper knowing full story, the staff member agrees with whatever has been said as it seemed right at the time, then that person goes “ i've messaged a staff member they said this….” and use this as evidence for their claim. This is me speaking from past experience. Which is exactly what you did. I could of easily messaged him and he would say it's not RDM ( i'm not speaking for him i just believe this is the case. ) You just managed to persuade him in 27 words .Icarus came in, gave us the time of day and heard both sides of the story. Again at your request. With the full information of everything that happened even a video which you fail to gave ruthless. He let us all speak and put our point forwards. This conversation i would say took around 20 minutes and resulted in us going round in circles for a while.  He understood the story from both sides and put forward his helping hand and told us what should be done.  You claim you messaged RuTHLeSS INFO  the video and what he said about it , saying it's RDM ,but you never once mentioned this to us, so personally i believe it's a bluff. This is because you never told us when we were “ resolving “ the issue about this or inform icarus either. I’d like to see proof. Personally i don't think we were ever going to come to any resolution as it seemed you only wanted to hear what you thought the situation was and nothing else. Not once showing any sort of understanding from our part or any willingness to change.

Secondly i am aware that obviously i was bolt cutting the house.  It up to the initiator to make sure that the initiation is clear to the person that's being initiated on. Also you had more than enough time to roleplay with us also. Eldarkmagic could've easily roleplayed also.  You set the tone of the conversation, you guys initiated , you guys threatened us with our life, twice. Simple. I had a situation where i told a rebel to put his hands up otherwise he would be shot , from the sitting position. He got up and shot me straight away. Spooner dealt with that issue and said it was absolutely fine. This situation is far less worse.  I figured out what was best to do, considering i don't want to die at all. I have limited cover, i'm trapped into an animation that's going to take me time to get out. Even with shooting you i barely escaped with my life. I wouldn't off had Red not rook banged you. I did what i had to, to keep my life.I was aware also that if the situation prolonged we would of been heavily outnumbered even lowering my chances.  After you initiate. Icarus said himself that RDM was pushing it a lot in this case.  On Top of this yes it's not written in the rules that's it failrp to initiate on a helicopter that's spoiled up. But if my gang went to the gas station surrounded it and then initiated on the cops there, that would be cop baiting , now there's no rule for that but we all know its cop baiting and bannable. Just because it's not  written down doesn't mean it's something that can be seen as a rule or taken into consideration. Staff members cant write down all of the inns and outs of the RDM or all of the rules that should be followed. Hence the grey zones.

You have to understand if you initiate on our life, then we can shoot back. You must know fully well that what you are saying makes us able to shoot you guys back. Clear as day.  You can't expect us to sit down and make daisy chains when you have guns pointed at us, saying your gonna put bullets through our head and expect everything to be okay. If you truly wanted roleplay like you claim so much, you wouldn't of got out of your heli and initiate. I know i keep referring to the pair of you, as you, it's just because as a team you decided what was best.

Thirdly, yes we have different views on the metagame. We argued about this for a while. I personally have been on roleplay servers for over 2 years now, i'm fully aware of the metagame rule. Obviously when you see someone's name in side chat, you know who's fighting. Everyone can see it. You should keep that information to yourself. Saying that “ its ascension “. Makes it a lot clearer to everyone that's who it is who might not know yet it's us. Seconds later people can easily see how many of us are online, what to expect in combat and so on. I personally think its meta, you're using side chat to gain information that hasn't been gained within roleplay. You have not gained the information within roleplay, You’ve used side chat to gain that information. I personally have seen people get warned about this. Even over teamspeak. Im obviously no staff member so it would be nice to get a staff members input on this.

Fourthly, i know it doesn't matter who i am , rules affect me the same way, i just think that you're out to get me banned clearly. You don't want to accept icarus's words. You don't want compensation for your lost gear. All you want is a ban.  Which would mean i properly would be  removed of this wonderful server for good.My point is, you seem to say this happens to you a lot i feel like you've built up your anger of all of those situations and are now taking it out on me . Maybe if it happens so much to you, you should review what you and your friends do in future as this hardly ever happens to me. So my personal belief is that you must be doing something wrong for this to happen.In this case offering no form of roleplay or a platform for it. Only a threat on my life. Surely if this happens frequently you would know what to do to avoid this.

Yes, Compensation clearly you don't want. But i think that you being so stubborn in your ways. You could potentially end my time on the server .Because i could potentially , if the staff member deems fit,  to be ban me then it's bye bye me. That's my time on the server gone forever then despite joining almost 2 years ago. I’d say it's one of the things i do most in my spare time so it would effect me considerably. Just because you're not willing for both sides so just agree that things could've been better, learn from the situation and move forward like everyone else. You willing to put my time to an end. You say it's for everyone's sake, it isn't for me , or the people that rely on me to run a successful gang. That play with me day in and day out. I can see your frustration i really can,. Hence why i have apologised, i understand that at times things can seem to happen or occur a lot and it can be frustrated. I was RDM’D once 3 times in one day ! Losing a lot of money in gear that i haven't had any compensation for. It's the way things are. I would understand this report, had i not shown any ability to learn from this and not apologize. But i have. So please, i must ask you to reconsider this report.

Also it's clear to me your fighting eldarkmagic’s corner for him. Despite eldarkmagic just wanting to speak over teamspeak. Which he mentions in the post above. Who seems to find my humour funny which i am grateful off.

Lastly, i understand you might think that i'm not taking this seriously as of my humour, but i think it serious times like this a little humour helps everyone realise it's just a game. It's a game will all play for fun. Everyones here to have a good time and enjoy what this great community of players has to offer. I have already apologised for my actions of teamspeak to you, just like icarus and eldarkmagic, agreeing that the situation can be improved on both side and that i'm sorry if i have affected your time on the server as i am really sorry. If you want another apology over teamspeak, or written i shall do it.  It just seems to be currently you that is holding a grudge. I don't think i’ve came across you before so i'm unsure to what it could be but hey ho , its life.

Would like to add that if my replies are slow, bare with me, i'm currently battling illness and spend more time the usual in my bed, resting.

Thank you

-Cobra

 

[Alex Jackson]

awaiting staff decision, as said above i'm not commenting further.

 

[Auxen]

Locked pending staff decision. 

 

[Vladic Ka]

From my point of view the initial initiation was good. There was no threat to life but as soon as you say stop or Ill put a bullet in your head well then thats it. You have threatened life and they had the upper hand on you. RIP.

 

[Auxen]

After reviewing the situation and discussing it with a staff we have come to the following conclusion.
The UNMC pulled up to the situation and there is no doubt in my mind they did not see the armed guy lockpicking the house.
Pvt. Alex Jackson took a nice Roleplay approach and asked him to get out off the helicopter after this Eldark decided to run up towards the helicopter and decided to initiate.
The guy breaking into the house must have clearly heard this when Eldark said he would blow the brains of the guy in the helicopter. Then Eldark ran up to the guy in the house and initiated on him as well in such a same matter as on the guy in the helicopter. Cobra might have shot quickly but he already heard the same thing has been said to his friend and then a man with a gun runs up to him and starts telling him the same thing whilst both guns are out. The situation could have obviously gone different but as Cobra heard the first initiation already being made with lets say not the best initiation you could have made you ran up to him with the same story.
I think Cobra was in his right to shoot him although it might have been quick but with all the Roleplay UNMC provided to his friend this could have been a threat to him as well. Conclusion Eldark made a threat to life so no RDM.

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