Report a player - 995 - cutlass - GTA RP

[SteveStacy]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Steve Stacy
Reported Players: 995 - cutlass
Date: Jun 1, 2024
Time: 23:00
What best describes this incident: RDM / RVDM
Please (in detail) describe the incident: So to begin with context:

- I was driving around for a bit and saw a red 'GTO' driverless and abandoned on the side of the road, so I ran up and jumped inside! I drove said vehicle for a while and eventually drove by 'The Kraken' where a man with a skull face painting ran up to me and said, "can you get out the car, its mine" to which i responded, "nah i like it" and sped off. After around 10/15 minutes or so the beginning off the video begins.

- As you can see in the video, I was bored and just driving around whilst talking to some mates in discord, I eventually decided to check to see if anyone was inside 'AE' as it's usually a place with many faces, as i approach the inside a car rams into the back of me, at first I was confused as no one had spoken a word to me, I then go to drive out the other side when a van comes hurdling towards me which I narrowly miss! After realizing they were in fact chasing me, I drove towards the motorway thinking it would be my best chance at escape, however upon my route a police officer was driving towards me causing me to turn suddenly which made my wheels lose traction therefore me losing control! I crash into a tree and begin to start the engine when out of nowhere I am rammed into a second time (without a word being spoken to me), and the words shouted," Oh i've rammed him!". The car's engine is then broken down when multiple "cutlass" and police surround the car, after being stopped I decided a good chance for my escape would be to run! however for some reason "995" thought he was batman and attempted to be a vigilante of sorts and punch me leading to a police officer diving into me and being swiftly put into cuffs.


- The reason I believe this to be RDM is because no "high quality" roleplay was provided to me any of the times I was smacked into or hit.
Link(s) To Any Evidence: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/hZ2sx3yDDMBQOYZyN/d1337JeObHZY?invite=cr-MSwyTDMsMTcyNTI1MTk3LA

 

[Gord]

Alright, a couple of things. Correct me if I'm wrong but to sum up the series of events in a short order. You stole a vehicle from a Cutlass member who you then taunted and drove away from, then drove back to the place you stole the vehicle from and then got chased by the police and cutlass, smacked into a wall by a vehicle and then arrested by the police.

So, let's break this down. You stole a car from a gang member, who you openly taunted, and then got mad when they chased you which they probably only were able to do because you went back to the original location. Secondly, you're reporting a cutlass member for RDM / RVDM, on the account RVDM it was not random. You stole his car and taunted him, I'm not quite sure what you expected. It was not random that he hit you the off the road, considering the previously fact of you stealing his car. Now, for account of RDM you have reported the cutlass member for punching you once. Why not the officer who tackled you? If we go deeper into G1.2 we can see that it states two things I'd like to highlight.

Attacking another player without engaging in any form of quality roleplay is considered RDM. (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. “Put your hands up or I will shoot” and countdowns are not considered quality roleplay

He only began to punch you after you hopped out of a vehicle that just been hit at a high rate of speed and began bolting down the highway. If anything, the owner of vehicle increased the chance of roleplay for you by involving the police. But before you even were completely cuffed, you began typing in OOC and directed your attention immediately to that and not engaging in roleplay with the officers.

please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering violence

Seeing as how you stole his vehicle and taunted him, him punching you one time while you were running does not constitute a lack of a roleplay story.

Now, out of curiosity. Did you know he was a cutlass member prior to this interaction or during it? Because I don't see how stealing a gang members car and then taunting them is a good idea.

You state this interaction started 10-15 minutes prior to the video starting, it is impossible without that footage to judge how that initial interaction went down.

This was written under the supervision of @PsianaRama

 

[Swayhh]

Hello steve, I was ID 995. Could you please tell me where in this do I "RDM" you?

My context of this situation is someone stole a member of Cutlass' car so we all went out looking for said car. I then located you at Auto Exotic and called it in over radio. From this point you then get off and this leads to a little pursuit until you crashed into a tree, Then a car collided with you and disabled the vehicle and you attempt to flee the scene. I chased you down and then punched you once.

Cutlass and Steve Stacy have had many hostile run ins in the past, You know it wasn't gonna be a friendly encounter when caught!

 

[SteveStacy]

Hi Gordon let me try my best to clear some things up!

Up until I was already hit and my car disabled I did not know this was a cutlass vehicle, the car was red and when I "taunted" the owner he had no indications of being in cutlass, I will link a Full video below.

In my opinion it is completely random to be plowed into with no prior interaction, I don't see how just because he owns the car gives him the right to randomly hit me.

I am reporting the 995 because he not only plowed into my car with no prior RP but also punched me with no prior RP.

the owner of vehicle increased the chance of roleplay for you by involving the police

I don't disagree with this, but I don't see how that is relevant in the case of RDM?

OOC and directed your attention immediately to that and not engaging in roleplay with the officers.

I was typing in OOC chat but was still very much immersed into the RP, I was listening to what the officer was saying and understanding it, hence why I responded to his question immediately.


https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/hZ2nlJCLtVfrCciwn/d1337aI0bKBP?invite=cr-MSxrd1UsMTcyNTI1MTk3LA

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/hZ2n9fhuXFgbu81xV/d13376i4aFzQ?invite=cr-MSxlZlgsMTcyNTI1MTk3LA - bit of a mess up of words there

 

[SteveStacy]

From this point you then get off and this leads to a little pursuit until you crashed into a tree, Then a car collided with you and disabled the vehicle and you attempt to flee the scene. I chased you down and then punched you once.

"little pursuit" where you smack into my car without a word spoken, Then again, without even saying a word to me, hit me.

 

[Swayhh]

Hello,

You blatantly refused to get out of the car when the cutlass member told you it was his car and taunted him by saying something along the lines as “but I want it though” regardless if you didn’t know that he was cutlass or not you know that what you done could of came with consequences and it did, that was our reason to then try ram the car to then get you out and continue RP with you.

When the car got disabled, I then chased you down as you tried to flee and punched you once, Personally I don’t see this as RDM as I had the reasons behind me to do it, Of course staff will determine that.

You did call us to a liaison to which we agreed to and you said “I will let you know when the sit is finished” and didn’t, Then went straight with a report. This could have all been cleared with a simple chat to give you a better understanding of the situation at hand.

 

[SteveStacy]

I think you’re confusing yourself here, I am not reporting for the fact I got caught and arrested, it’s the fact I believe Rdm was used. I don’t see how just because it’s your car you can just ram it off the side of the road with no words spoken. Now for the case of RDM, where you hit me, it does not matter whether or not your character had diffident RP reasons to hit me, you still need to engage in some form of high quality roleplay before doing so, im sure grove for example have a good reason to go down cutlass turf and just shot a member but of course that would be RDM! I did ask for a liaison but you could clearly see I was in the middle of the sit as you guys had seen me be put in cuffs, I did ask later on but got no response so I went with the report! The understand the situation at hand very well, I was smacked into with no prior RP, just because it is your car, which I had no indication of knowing, does not give you that right. I am then smacked into again and rammed into a wall, eventually being punched and then tackled. If you truly think what you displayed was high quality RP then, sure.

 

[Swayhh]

You say you didn’t know it was cutlass but you wrote in OOC as soon as the situation didn’t go your way saying “Cutlass come QE” despite none of us being in coloured cars or clothing.

You were asked on more than one occasion to get out the car and chose not to. We then disabled the vehicle in an attempt to reclaim it. You also say that “You had no indication it was our car” even though you were told outside The Kraken that it was our car and saw an attempt to get it back to which you replied “But I want it though” and then drove off, Taunting the owner once again. As you can see in your clip, A further attempt to reclaim the car was made at Auto Exotic and you drove off once again. You stole a notorious gangsters car and you escaped with only a punch in the face. As staff also said, We involved police to broaden the roleplay for all involved yet you chose to ignore that and in my opinion, The situation didn’t go your way so you went with a report.

 

[SteveStacy]

You say you didn’t know it was cutlass but you wrote in OOC as soon as the situation didn’t go your way saying “Cutlass come QE” despite none of us being in coloured cars or clothing.

seeing General's face and hearing voices I realized who it was pretty quickly!

You were asked on more than one occasion to get out the car and chose not to

where?

The Kraken that it was our car and saw an attempt to get it back to which you replied “But I want it though” and then drove off, Taunting the owner once again.

um.. where? I saw some random guy say it was his car, no cutlass clothing at all.

We involved police to broaden the roleplay for all involved yet you chose to ignore that and in my opinion, The situation didn’t go your way so you went with a report.

you are very much mistaken. Where did I ignore police? please, go on tell me.

It is not the outcome that annoys me simply the way it got there, you need to understand I am reporting for RDM.. NOT the fact I got caught.

 

[Gord]

@Swayhh
I can confirm Steve did send multiple messages after his time with the police to get Cutlass to come to Liaison. So, in this regard he did put forth the effort to get you into a liaison. Some time passed so it's impossible for me to say what you were doing when he followed up with all those messages but in Steve's defense police processing is not the fastest thing in the world.

Now to address some of the points brought up in this, to say there was no reason to hit his own car you were actively driving away from perplexes me. Cutlass, Ballas, Occult would make no difference, you stole a vehicle that happened to belong to a member of an OCG. To address your point @SteveStacy of how my comment of involving the police is relevant. It's relevant because they could have found you and shot you, they're an OCG. Instead, they contacted police, reported the vehicle stolen and then chased you along with the police. To say this was completely random with no interaction prior, is frankly absurd. If you want to go with you were listening to the officer for my second point on roleplaying, then I'll take your word for it.

Now @Swayhh to address some stuff with you. Why just immediately smack into the back of the vehicle at Auto Exotic, you have the superior numbers against him and probably could have played this out differently and given Steve the roleplay experience he was looking for. Next, the punching was not random but why not let the police deal with it as you had already involved them. I can see why this was seen as in poor taste because it doesn't make sense to be chased by police and gang members at the same time, but we can chock that up to a FiveM moment.

Let's not split hairs on how many times you were asked or how many times you asked to get out of the vehicle. Secondly, Cutlass clothing or not Steve you stole a car. It belonged to a gang member. You drew straws and lost the lottery. We could put "Insert Gang Here" instead of Cutlass and the result would most likely be largely the same. @Swayhh The notorious gangster part is a bit much, let's keep it down on earth. If Steve, or I, or the other hundreds of players who don't operate in the space around Cutlass on a regular basis then the notorious part goes out the window.

@SteveStacy and @Swayhh we could split hairs all day on why Steve made this report, ultimately, he's the only person who will ever know why and it is prerogative to bring things to the forums he feels are rule breaks and wants staff to adjudicate on. Liaisons are highly encouraged but not required, Steve attempted to Liase and without us breaking down everyone's exact movements over the period of an hour, we will never know why it did not happen.

Ultimately, this entire thing was avoidable. We can play would have and should have all day, but that won't get us anywhere. To sum it up bluntly, there was no RDM or RVDM. The roleplay in this entire scenario could have been a lot higher for everyone. We can all do better, and I hope that going forward that is what happens.

Report Declined.
This was written under the supervision of @PsianaRama